[American 00 wheel] The riddle, the clue, the code

[simon]

Quite a while back I had a roulette systems exchange website and was contacted by many players and we exchanged many systems that were on the Net at that time, etc.  I always kept two emails from back then (11 years ago) that I found quite interesting and compelling.  Unfortunately the two emails are all I could get out of this person (my comments to him are in italics.... you'll notice I tried playing the sympathy card but it didn't help.) 

Does anyone know who this guy is or was?  We all know I'm sure about the columns with 6 and 6, 8 and 4, and 8 and 4 red and black numbers.  Is there really any way to exploit this?  Is there any difference between the 0 and 00 layouts (or wheels?) other than the 0's??  What is he referring to??  Here are the two emails.......

At 07:22 PM 5/17/98 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Bob.  I was just wondering if you could tell me if you bet on the even
factors, the dozens, or the inside.

I bet only columns and, depending on how busy the table is, I change
casinos after an hour or so.  After watching me for a while, people keep
trying to engage me in conversation and I just leave to get away from them.

The programmer, that put my method of play through a 1-1/2 million spin
test, quit his programming job and moved permanently to Reno.  He plays 6
hours a day, 5 days a week and takes the weekend off.  I live 3 hours away
and just bought a new ocean side condo, so I gamble only 3 days a week and
we get together to swap stories.

Being a younger person, he has some wilder stories to tell than I do.  I'm
surprised he is keeping our non-disclosure agreement.  However he feels the
same as I ... Only scam artists sell an easy way to make a living that
doesn't work!.

If you would concentrate on the 0-00 wheel layout vs. the european layout,
you would have an edge on the casinos.  "Nuff Said!"

You have no idea how much time and money I've spent trying to beat Roulette.

Oh yes I do!  Been there, done that, got the hat, t-shirt and souvenir
coffee cup.  I finally "Cracked" the code in 1993.  By that time I was
allready 60 years ols and had wated most of my life following an obsession.

Type at 'Ya later ...

Bob, the old fogey ...
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At 08:39 AM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:

Which means you just like the end seat too and could be betting the dozens
as well, or there's something else about the columns I didn't mention....

The end chair is crucial to my method.  Without it ... I don't play.

I am very protective of this method.  I have seen at least one old timer
and one in his late forties on more than one occasion, observing my play
and writing in a tablet.  If the secret to my play was obvious, they would
be playing by now and not watching.  Although I don't need their free
lunch, some of the invitations, by both men and woman, and the ultimate
stories I get trying to convince me to share my method are most interesting.

If there was a way I could have had my system tested without giving away
its secret to the programmer ... I would have.  I won't even teach it too
my Lady friend who accompanies me on most of my trips.  She's 28, I'm 65
and I know her interest in me is not my good looks.

Type at 'Ya later ...

Bob, the old fogey ...

                         

[simon]

Since the key sentence is...

If you would concentrate on the 0-00 wheel layout vs. the european layout, you would have an edge on the casinos.  "Nuff Said!"

........... Now that I re-read this (after many years) I guess he is referring to the actual wheel rather than the anamoly of colors in the columns on the betting layout.  But for some reason he needs the seat at the end of the table, which I assume would be to bet the columns.  So, make of it what you will...  any ideas?

[TwoCatSam]

Simon

I am a long-armed devil and I could reach the end of the table from almost any seat.  And......people are not shy to reach across each other or even get up and move to place a bet. 

Just my point of view.

Sam

[shadowman]

I dont know if this helps but on the 00 wheel, columns 1&2  and  1&3 cover large sectors on each side of the wheel.  So for example, if there was some kind of dealer signature  ie.  spinning to alternate sides, you could easily exploit this without clambering allover the table.   note each side includes either 0 or 00 in other words the line of symmetry is not thru the zeros.

[simon]

I like to call the columns left to right A-B-C and I know sections AB and AC cover large blocks of contiguous numbers on the 00 wheel and if I had any VB skills which I don't I would bet for the ball to land in AB or AC as each represents a 3/4's of the wheel target.  But since my man Bob the old fogey had his system tested for over a million spins by a programmer I don't think it has anything to do with target shooting the wheel.  Taking a quick look at Google images at 0 and 00 wheels I can see right away they are completely different as far as the number arrangements on the wheels go so the "code he cracked" must have something to do with that.

[Number Six]

I recently came across an article by a mathematician, which I mentioned in another thread, who said the layout of the American wheel is so inferior to the Euro one that it can be cracked, like your friend Bob has claimed. I mean, Pascal, who is the father of the Euro wheel, was a genius - not even he could beat his own game! The American wheel, though, was designed to accomodate the 00 and increase the house edge. Mathematically not much thought went into the distribution of the numbers around the disc. I believe there are ways to engineer bets based on the analysis of the disc layout (the relationship of the numbers to each other) and also the relationship of the disc to the chronological order of the carpet. This would make for a methodology based purely on the physical aspects of the game. If the code could be cracked, it would definitely yield a holy grail. Unlike other absurdities in this game and claimed by other players, this is not a dead end. It's well worth exploring, starting with the fundamental differences between the 0 and 00 wheels.

[VLSroulette]

The distribution of the columns at the American wheel is indeed suitable to target sectors.

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Column 2:
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Columns 1 & 2:
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Columns 1 & 3:
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Columns 2 & 3:
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1&2 and 1&3 sure deserve a special look.

Regards,
Victor

[simon]

yes columns 1 and 3 or A and C as I like to call them is the big target and if I was any good at visual prediction I would bet just for the ball to land in the AC section of the wheel, or not.

well number six I like your thinking and I'm sure mr. bob played on american wheels due to where he was playing.

[VLSroulette]

Simon, this is perfect "Roulette & Gambling framework" debate.  Thanks for bringing this topic up

[Number Six]

I'm sure mr. bob played on american wheels due to where he was playing.

You mean he didn't have a choice 

Either way, if the Euro wheel is of perfect design, and the American is flawed, it stands to reason that there must be tangible differences that can be exploited. This is one of the more interesting roulette "debates" that appear here from time to time.

Add: if Bob's method was programmed, then his betting must have been instigated by triggers and followed rules. So it's mechanical, or at least partially mechanical.

[VLSroulette]

By the way, shall you believe a dealer is "shooting sectors" against you at a 00 wheel, just cover Dozens 1 and 3 and say, TARGET THIS:

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Victor

[simon]

To summarize, the three key sentences in bob's emails were:

I bet only columns

The end chair is crucial to my method.  Without it ... I don't play.

and

If you would concentrate on the 0-00 wheel layout vs. the european layout,
you would have an edge on the casinos.

hmmmm, not really sure where to go from there, unless he is talking about the anomaly of colored numbers in the 3 columns which is no secret... and really... even if the columns had ALL red in one column and ALL black in another column and 6 of each in another column, would there really be any way to exploit that??

[shadowman]

I cant seem to shake this one, I may be a little dense but could it be possible that bobs system was tested with actual spins rather than rng.   The reason I ask is that if it was rng why 1-1/2 million spins why not round it up to 2 million or just stick at 1 million.  I dont know if  this quantity of 00 spin data was readily available at the time of Bobs test.

[shadowman]

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