Hi Lanky,

Following on from our brief chat buddy, I am very curious to hear what you are doing with the zeros that makes them your best friend. As I said in the chat, at the moment the LLW pattern is all I am playing, so I always count zero as an L. I play aggressive so that LLW or LLLW is always a 1 unit win. However, if I’m recovering from a loss,  I go onto a 6 point divisor-like recovery system - with the exception of hitting LLL. When LLL hits during a recovery session, I bet the W once more (LLLW) with a bet that will only recover me to the position of being 1 unit higher than I was before LLL hit. Under all circumstance, if I get LLLL, I then turn and bet the Ls until I get a W. This way, the only bets you can lose with are on the LLLLW and less so, the LLLLLW pattern. Yet because this happen so rarely and the LLW and LLLW pattern hits are so often, it’s easy to recover losses; and when you hit a run of 6 or more Ls, it’s pure bliss!  (8 is the most I’ve seen so far).

After about 10 sessions, I have yet to lose any. Most times I can win my target in a couple of hours, other times it takes longer. Playing with £5 units, I aim for 20 units (£100) a session. I think a £250 stop loss (which I’ve not yet reached) or 2 consecutive LLLLW or LLLLLW patterns should be an alert (both visually and financially) to leave the table (which has not yet happened to me in over 2,500 spins).

As I said, it is very boring sometimes - you might have to wait 40 spins or more before placing a bet. But the point is this. It’s a very solid and reliable method, it does not require huge draw downs and it is working like clockwork for me  .

So anyway buddy, I am going keep going with this system whilst I keep looking for any other, better, ways of tweaking it.

But I am really dying to know how you playing the zero, and also what are the only 2 patterns you currently play?

As always Lanky, I look forward to your post.

Cheers
CD

PS Victor, don’t be so humble - take the credit!!!

More rantings on the LW on the LD pattern

I forgot to mention an important thing that I think you said in a previous post somewhere: the LLLL deactivates the LLW, when only playing LLW, I wait until it shows up again (once). This avoids getting caught in a potentially devastating (or profit making) LLLLwLwLwwLLLLW L-like trap when chasing LLW and its big brother, LLLW. Also, if I see lots of consequitive LWs showing, 4 or 5 or so, I sometimes try and ride them as side bets, more so to relieve the boredom of just playing LLW! Otherwise I’ll sometimes be waiting a very long time before betting, 45mins or longer - working on 10 spins every 14 minutes. However, I’m now starting to think 3 consecutive LWs is too small a number to get onboard them as you can often get caught in a 3 LW and then a LL trap WWWLWWWWWLWWWLWL(L)W, but I'm still enjoying experimenting with this as the big LW runs are too common an occurance to ignore. It is quite fascinating to watch some of the other patterns emerge and what triggers them off. For instance, WWWWWWW (7 or 8 or more) is often a trigger for a run of 4 or more Ls (WWWWWWWLLLLW), so I am thinking of not betting on the first LLW after a big show of Ws. If I had played this way more, my profits would be bigger still. Thanks for pointing me to these interesting little idiosyncrasies. The idea of turning a bad run into a good run by being more trigger cautious or by switching your hunt strategy has stood up well to my testing (I don’t have exact figures, but it is now about 3,000 recorded spins in 15-20 sessions) - numbers from a mixture of live, online and recorded actuals. I’d even go so far to say that LW pattern triggers can be more reliable than a UK 5-day surf forecast!

Perhaps I'm starting to get a bit too obsessed by the whole LW thing though…I guess I’ll be a lot happier when I have some more concrete-like, hard and fast, rules that will always have me changingmy trigger/hunt method at the very start of a new wave pattern. I know it’s like you said, if it works for you now, great. But what works for me 1 week, doesn’t necessarily work for me the next, so I go back over the numbers, look at the patterns, tweak it a bit, and retest it (as we all should). Playing only the LLW is more complicated than I thought mate, that is when you also consider the patterns that might follow, how it is triggered, where it might grow and go into a LLLW, LLLLW or a LLLLLLLL. Above all though, the great thing is that LLW is still winning a lot more than it losses & I've not hit my stop loss , but, I want to be more ready for when the tide changes!  Better still, turn it around into a chicken dinner, maybe even a steak dinner with a special dessert

Anyway, talking of this and the zero Lanky, have you noticed that the zero often triggers a consecutive run of Ls or Ws or rows of 4, 5 or 6 (e.g, 0WWWWWLLLLL). I was thinking about this after we chatted. Is this related to how you have started playing the zero? If this phenomenon exists it must be exploited. It could be an interesting way to avoid or hit a profitable run. Something like, after the zero shows, if either a L or W immediately repeats (0LL or -0WW, play it ‘til it loses once, and then switch and play the other (swap from L run to W run hunting, or visa versa). Anyway I have not conclusively tested this idea yet but will let you know how it works out. Cheers Lanky, I’ll post some Dublin Bet and Spiel bank number patterns when I get a chance.

CD

I don't know what theory it is based on but you are right, the wheel has no memory. Randomness does repeat itself though. You can't ever know when randomness will repeat itself but you can risk a little to see if it is doing that now for you.

You want a method that works? Flat bet, wait for when a winning method starts working for you, then raise your flat bets a little until it ends. Only bet higher levels of flat betting when in stretches of winning.

Hi Everyone

I used to plot the wL's religiously and record the patterns that emerged with my strategy.
Typical patterns were: wwwLwwwwLLwLwwwwwLLLwwwLwwwwwLwwwwLLLLw etc.
While waiting for wL or wLL to occur before betting used to really frustrate me because of the 'wasted' string of ww's you'd see go racing by while you're in virtual bet mode.

I tried betting on each and every spin, tripling with each loss, to negate this but it fell apart when I reached LLLL, so now I actually wait for my strategy to collapse with a quadruple loss LLLL and then I bet maximum $250 on the two selscted columns or dozens with an insurance bet of $15 on Zero.

Very rarely does LLLL go to LLLLL.
By winning 9/10 bets you have only lost $515 yet made 9 x $250 = $2,250 minus your original $515 loss.

This waiting for LLLL takes a lot of patience. Hope it helps though,
Kind regards
Steve

Hey Lanky, therer's a mistake that I think you should look at...

9=1/2=W=4/6=2 lost –8
24=2/1=W=4/8=2 lost –10
3=1/2=W=4/10=3 lost –13
29=3/1=L=4/13=4 Won 13-8 is -4 <----- 13 - 8 = 5 not 4 
27=3/1=W=3/4=2 Lost –6
12=1/3=W=3/6=2 Lost –8
33=3/1=W=3/8=3 lost –11
22=2/3=L=3/11=4 won –11-8 is 3

Hi Steve,
Interesting post, but why not wait for wLLL, then bet. If it loses triple each time for 3 bets max.
It would take a run of LLLLLL to lose ! ...very rare

It is still alot of waiting  to get wLLL but less than waiting for wLLLL like you are doing.

good luck !
hammy   

Lanky,

Sorry mate ! ... I didn't notice the 2008 date on Steve's post, ya just a tad old ...
I don't come here often, so thanks for the heads up !


hammy ..