Very promising repeater system I invented and tested recently. Actual spins test results after 533 spins was up 975 units. ;D
This system is as follows.
Get a set of 20 numbers and count how many numbers that repeat twice. If there is a number that repeat thrice, wait for a new set of 20 numbers to qualify.
After which bet on the numbers that repeat twice accordingly.
for e.g if only one number repeated bet 1 unit on that number
if two number repeated bet 2 unit on each number
if three number repeated bet 3 unit on each number
and so on...(4 numbers 4 units each, 5 numbers 5 units each etc...)
The rule of the game is that we would wait for a number to repeat THRICE(Don't worry mathematically bound to happened) then we stop the progression.
To be able to do that, even the new numbers that repeat twice(whether it is pairing from the original 20 numbers or after the original 20, we still follow the above betting criteria)
An example of this method:
(no.of spins) (spin no.)
1 28
2 1
3 16
4 3
5 32
6 34
7 19
8 9
9 22
10 20
11 0
12 8
13 28
14 24
15 17
16 19
17 0
18 30
19 20
20 10 we can see from the 20 spins that 3 numbers(28,19,0) repeated twice, so we bet 3 units each.
21 25 -9
22 2 -9
23 36 -9
24 23 -9
25 8 -9 we can see that 8 repeated twice, so we move to next progression and bet 4 units each
26 5 -16
27 8 128 number 8 repeated thrice so we stop progression
adding up our loses and totals we have a overall profit of 67 units.
Anyone feel free to test.
Edit: you won't win every session, though it seems like the trend is the wins outweigh the losses, or at least up to my testing.
Edit: i'll post my results using actuals for you guys to follow.
Hi, before give one try, just one question :
When we have new repeater , this repeater must be in last 20 spins for we add this number and go next step of progression?
Now that i've tested 1000 spins, doesn't seem to be working as well. Though the idea is there, anyway i've seached the internet and there is a very similar idea by "wannawin" though his system seems more refined.
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/%27great-square%27-system/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/%27great-square%27-system/)
Maybe you can try that system.
Cheers and good luck.
Quote from: RouletteFanatic on June 19, 2010, 02:00:20 AM
Now that I've tested 1000 spins, doesn't seem to be working as well. Though the idea is there, anyway I've seached the internet and there is a very similar idea by "wannawin" though his system seems more refined.
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/%27great-square%27-system/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/%27great-square%27-system/)
Maybe you can try that system.
Cheers and good luck.
RF,
I just tested your system with a slight tweek and won 2350 units in 300 spins. I couldn't believe how much I was winning. Here's how I played it.
I start tracking and as soon as I have a repeat number, I start betting it with 1 unit. From then on, I add numbers as they show and bet according to your suggestion, i.e. 2 numbers @ 2 units ea. =4, 3 numbers @ 3 units ea. = 9 units, etc...
I keep playing until I have a hit that results in a positive balance. At this point I don't start all over, I reset my running balance to 0 and continue betting at the same rate. I keep going like this until I am betting 10 numbers @ 10 units ea. = 100 units and I have a hit that results in a positive balance. Then I start over at 1 on the next repeat.
Here is an actual sequence to clarify.
7,25,22,23,33,1,17,23 (23 has hit twice so start betting it @ 1 unit) 28,9,36,1 (1 has hit twice so bet it and 23 for 2 units each) 6, 23 (23 hits for 72 - 12 = +60) (continue betting 1 & 23 for 2 ea) 24,6, (6 has hit twice so bet it. Now 3 numbers @3 units each = 9) 33 (33 hits 2X now 4 @ 4 = 16) 30,22 (22 hits 2X now 5 X 5 = 25) 22 (22 hits again for another win 180-73= +107 + 60 won previously = +167 so far) 32,4,23 (another win 180-75 = +105 +167 previously won = +272 units) I'm sure you get the picture. At one point while betting 8 numbers at 8 units = 64 units, I hit twice in a row for a total of +384 for those two wins. Luck? Probably, but plus 2350 after 300 spins is phenomenal even if it is lucky. I did have a drawdown of 848 units at one point, so you have to have a bankroll of about 1500 units to be safe, but with a little luck you can double or triple that quickly and be playing on the houses money.
You will notice that I didn't concern myself with dropping or starting over with numbers that hit 3 times. I know the above way to play is wildly reckless and some refining will surely make it safer.
Thanks for the idea.
George
It is good idea but I would bet only numbers which came twice (there is another system for it called Pivot system) and after hit (third time appearance) I would discharge that one and always if in plus go back to 1 unit on all betting numbers. Probably bet 10 #s is too much but max. 6 tween #s bets would save the bankroll. The drawn down could be next time 2012! Save the King!
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on June 19, 2010, 07:45:55 PM
It is good idea but I would bet only numbers which came twice (there is another system for it called Pivot system) and after hit (third time appearance) I would discharge that one and always if in plus go back to 1 unit on all betting numbers. Probably bet 10 #s is too much but max. 6 tween #s bets would save the bankroll. The drawn down could be next time 2012! Save the King!
Hermes
Thanks Hermes,
Of course you're right. I was just having so much luck with this aggressive way of play, I thought I would see what it would do. I would need a bankroll of about 10,000 units to play it for real.
I'll look at the Pivot system again. If I remember right, it's an old standby.
Cheers, George
Hi GLC, i'll test the system you propose and see the results. Though frankly speaking 300 spins is a very short time and it could be a lucky statiscal variance. Anyway, with any form of progression we need at least 10,000 spins to at least have an idea on whether it has potential to be played (Im not kidding, I had one progression system still in profit after 10,000 spins, though I conclude that it might not be worth playing it)
Woah, GLC, all I can say is that this system with your tweak seriously has the wow factor.
First session after 41 spins was up 409 units! :dance1:
This needs some serious testing, I'll try for 100 sessions first before seeing how it goes.
Cheers mate.
Second session resulted in a loss of -142 units. I think the last portion is risky because a set of numbers might not hit for many spins. So constantly betting 100 units on the 10 numbers would result in a bad loss if it does not hit.
Though there is very good profit to be made in between, GLC why don't you try resetting the progression once you reach an overall high?
Edit: GLC, with your way do you mean that at reach10 units at 10 numbers, you only bet once? or betting until a number hits once, or betting until it reach an overall high balance?
Because beside the first option, the rest is incredibly risky. Like for my 2nd session alone upon reaching 10 units and 10 numbers I betted it 9 times before it hits a number. So my betting when like this
-100,-100,-100,-100,-100,-100,-100,-100,+260.
Though in between I had profitted, but overall was a loss of 142 units for that session.
My thought is that we can try 3 methods,
1) Restarting the progression every time any number repeats thrice
2) Restarting a progression every time we reach a new high
3)or once reaching 10 units at 10 numbers, bet only once and stop progression whether next spin is a win or loss
Using the 3rd method it would be a +298 profit for my 2nd session.
Cheers mate, this seems to be pretty good for now.
I have tried this for many sessions for fun. I used a tracker program from another system, which keeps track of numbers that come once, twice, and more than twice.
I don't have the actual money won or lost, but I can visually see what happens session after session. What usually happens is you get your first hit when your betting 5 numbers at once. After that, you either get another hit right away or it takes until you bet 9 or 10 numbers at once. The draw down is VERY scary. In reality not practical. The only thing I suggest for this to work is a a stop loss and stop win.
I estimate a MIN stop/win at $50 and a stop/loss at $250
The min is set at $50 but you could nail a huge win that soars over this total, but I recommend you start over with a $250 loss.
keel ,you using the original one? dont please, try the one with the tweak glc suggest.
I recommend stopping after first hit or overall bankroll high.
somehow it works eerily well, but its still early stages..
O.K. After extensive visual tests on this system, I have some ground rules. These rules seem to work the best to maximize profit potential and keep the bankroll more safe.
Rule #1 -- Start betting ONLY after there are 3 numbers which appeared twice. You bet 3 dollars on each of the 3 numbers.
Rule #2 -- You add numbers which appeared twice AND add another dollar to all played numbers as you go along.
Rule #3 -- Anytime you get a hit, you drop the units on all played numbers to 1 dollar. You continue to add numbers as you go along, but when you do, you increase all played numbers by 1 dollar for each new number.
Rule #4 -- You stop play when you are up $50 or down $250. Then re-track totally fresh.
Rule #5 -- If you get a hit before 3 different numbers appeared twice, you must restart again.
Most of the time you will win more than $50 right after the first hit. There will be no need for rule #3.
If you need to go to rule #3, it is more of a grind, but it keeps the bankroll safe.
Quote from: keel44 on June 21, 2010, 04:41:09 PM
O.K. After extensive visual tests on this system, I have some ground rules. These rules seem to work the best to maximize profit potential and keep the bankroll more safe.
Rule #1 -- Start betting ONLY after there are 3 numbers which appeared twice. You bet 3 dollars on each of the 3 numbers.
Rule #2 -- You add numbers which appeared twice AND add another dollar to all played numbers as you go along.
Rule #3 -- Anytime you get a hit, you drop the units on all played numbers to 1 dollar. You continue to add numbers as you go along, but when you do, you increase all played numbers by 1 dollar for each new number.
Rule #4 -- You stop play when you are up $50 or down $250. Then re-track totally fresh.
Rule #5 -- If you get a hit before 3 different numbers appeared twice, you must restart again.
Most of the time you will win more than $50 right after the first hit. There will be no need for rule #3.
If you need to go to rule #3, it is more of a grind, but it keeps the bankroll safe.
RF, Keel,
Hey guys, I was just tweaking RF's original system because I hate tracking and waiting. I arbitrarily went to 10 @ 10 because the spread on the roulette wheel in my neighborhood is 100 units. I knew that the way I was playing it was crazy, but it was doing so well I just wanted to see how good it could work.
I agree that the new rules Keel suggested make it a much safer system and still with some real winning potential. I'll con't to test with the new rules and post some results. If it's a dog in the long run I hope it shows up quickly so we don't waste a lot of time for nothing.
Regards. George
GLC, great that you're here. Your idea is marvelous. I'm just testing your tweak with my rules. it seems to work very well.
I don't dare say holy grail but it seems like the real deal. 574 spins, +933 units and that is just stopping progression on first hit. Could be lucky statical variance though.
also I tried the progression continuing after 10units/numbers to 11units/numbers and so on..
I noticed the profits kept increasing to a point it reach 18units/numbers to 22units/numbers which is the peak at about +2400 units!! That is within 60-90 spins and that is a freaking HUGE amount of money won at such a short time! I continued again and slowly the profits decreased before reaching negative value it couldn't recover at 31units/numbers.
I noticed that throughout the progression even though at times during the start there were some point where balance is negative, it become positive again after a number hits. And this seems like its almost bound to happened. Anyway, very satisfied with this, im going to try winning for real at a casino.
I'm hoping this great results would continue..
Pivot system is easy and most of the time successful system to play. Start to bet any number repeated twice (trigger) up to win or maximum 35 spins. Only FLAT betting! Don't bet more than 5 number at the same time.
You improve the results if you wait for 10-15 spins without repeater.
Hermes
guys,
Just did a quick test with the new rules. The only change is that I start over anytime I'm at a new over-all high.
1st session +65 units
2nd session +35
3rd session +7
4th session +72
5th session +54
6th session +101
7th session +53 units
That's a whopping win of 387 units in only 150 spins.
My largest draw-down was -185 units. I also had draw-downs of -115 & -127. The rest of the wins hit quickly.
Still looking good.
Cheers
Hi glc, I also have similar success using the tweak with the same rules!
Also, if you want to be on a safer side just restart progression after first hit. There will be times it would be negative on first hit, but the trend is profits going up.
GLC, do you think we might have stumbled unto a holy grail?
seriously my whole body is just tingling with excitement..hope i don't get disappointed this time like how it happens when you thought you discovered something that works but doesn't after awhile..
Though theres one session I had a downdraw of -771 units, but at the 16 units/numbers progression managed to breakeven.
This system is good and I would dare say can be profitable, but a fair share of human interaction is needed, you need to know when to quit and at what stage of the progression..
I just wanted to know if anyone has been using my rules I posted? I tried many, many times visually, and it holds up every time.
If someone has tested using different rules, could you post those rules? I am curious.
KEEL
Quote from: keel44 on June 21, 2010, 07:51:41 PM
I just wanted to know if anyone has been using my rules I posted? I tried many, many times visually, and it holds up every time.
If someone has tested using different rules, could you post those rules? I am curious.
KEEL
Guys,
I just finished testing 13 more sessions. Results are not so good this time. I had 4 losing sessions for a total of -1008 units and 9 winning sessions for a total of +826 units. Overall loss was -182 units. This was in a 310 spin period.
Keel, I was using your rules except I forgot to start tracking again when I had a three hit before getting my 3 two hit numbers. I will re-run the numbers again and see how much effect this would have had if I had played strictly by your rules.
G
Quote from: RouletteFanatic on June 21, 2010, 07:06:04 PM
Hi glc, I also have similar success using the tweak with the same rules!
Also, if you want to be on a safer side just restart progression after first hit. There will be times it would be negative on first hit, but the trend is profits going up.
GLC, do you think we might have stumbled unto a holy grail?
seriously my whole body is just tingling with excitement..hope I don't get disappointed this time like how it happens when you thought you discovered something that works but doesn't after awhile..
RF,
I will be totally shocked if this turns out to be a HG. I've tested and played so many systems that did really good for quite a while only to tank later. I think what happens is that we keep testing the system because we just happen to be in a favorable spin sequence(s) for that system. If we had hit some bad sequences early, we would never keep testing. We'd immediately go on to something else. Still very early to make a judgment on this one.
What I'm hoping is that it makes a profit often enough for us to put some solid playing parameters on it so that in the long run we can come out ahead, maybe like Fender's ZONE system. In a computer test it fails, but according to Fender and Stackbundles and maybe even Atlantis, it can be played so that it is a winner.
Let's keep working at it. Slow and easy. I hate throwing good money after an almost HG.
G.
Quote from: GLC on June 21, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
Guys,
I just finished testing 13 more sessions. Results are not so good this time. I had 4 losing sessions for a total of -1008 units and 9 winning sessions for a total of +826 units. Overall loss was -182 units. This was in a 310 spin period.
Keel, I was using your rules except I forgot to start tracking again when I had a three hit before getting my 3 two hit numbers. I will re-run the numbers again and see how much effect this would have had if I had played strictly by your rules.
G
Keel,
After re-playing these spins according to the rules you posted, I played 12 instead of 13 sessions in almost the exact same number of spins. I had 3 losing sessions totalling -750 units and 9 winning sessions totalling +802 resulting in an over-all profit of + 52 units.
I notice that the thing that kills the system is to hit too many 2 repeats early which drives the number of units bet per spin through the roof and if a 3peat doesn't come along quickly, you hit the $250 loss quickly.
I had 4 sessions with the first hit leaving me still under $50 up, so had to play on, reducing bets to 1 unit per number. I won 3 and lost 1 of these multiple hit sessions, so that rule seems to add to the overall profitability of the system.
Still, too few spins to know for sure. Let's keep analysing and testing.
1st session I tried, rule is following glc's method, anytime where a repeater appears bet 1 unit on that number, another one appears then bet 2 unit on 2 numbers. The rule is, I don't stop at 10 units/numbers, but continued to 35 units/numbers just for the heck of it to see how the progression fares..
Anytime a spin hits a win, I would record the overall bankroll balance beside the wins of that spin,according to the diagram below. Hope its not confusing and you guys can study it.
(no.ofspins/spin number/color) (amt won or loss in that spin/overall bankroll balance) (actions taken) (notes)
1 35 B
2 5 R
3 22 B
4 21 R
5 34 R
6 16 R
7 20 B
8 35 B bet 1 unit 35
9 26 B -1
10 29 B -1
11 26 B -1 bet 2 unit on 26,35
12 7 R -4
13 34 R -9 bet 3 unit on 26,34,35
14 27 R -9
15 10 B -9
16 4 B -9
17 0 G -9
18 10 B -9 bet 4 units on 10,26,34,35
19 34 R 128 67 (at first hit +67 units bankroll)
20 36 R -16
21 11 B -16
22 22 B -16 bet 5 units on 10,22,26,34,35
23 0 G -25 bet 6 units on 0,10,22,26,34,35
24 30 R -36
25 23 R -36
26 16 R -36
27 9 R -36
28 3 R -36
29 24 B -36
30 26 B 180 -42 (2nd hit, -42 units bankroll)
31 30 R -36 bet 7 units on 0,10,22,26,30,34,35
32 22 B 203 125 (3rd hit, +125 units bankroll)
33 26 B 203 328 (4th hit, +328 units bankroll...you get the picture?)
34 3 R -49 bet 8 units on 0,3,10,22,26,30,34,35
35 19 R -64
36 18 R -64
37 26 B 224 375
38 9 R -64 bet 9 units on 0,3,9,10,22,26,30,34,35
39 17 B -81
40 29 B -81 bet 10 units on 0,3,9,10,22,26,29,30,34,35
41 3 R 260 409
42 16 R -100 bet 11 units on 0,3,9,10,16,22,26,29,30,34,35
43 12 R -121
44 24 B -121 bet 12 units on 0,3,9,10,16,22,24,26,29,30,34,35
45 15 B -144
46 9 R 288 211
47 22 B 288 499
48 20 B -144 bet 13 units on 0,3,9,10,16,20,22,24,26,29,30,34,35
49 9 R 299 654
50 2 B -169
51 23 R -169 bet 14 units on 0,3,9,10,16,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
52 6 B -196
53 0 G 308 428
54 29 B 308 736
55 11 B -196 bet 15 units on 0,3,9,10,11,16,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
56 19 R -225 bet 16 units on 0,3,9,10,11,16,19,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
57 34 R 351 666
58 23 R 351 1017
59 34 R 351 1368
60 12 R -225 bet 17 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,16,19,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
61 15 B -289 bet 18 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,19,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
62 1 R -324
63 26 B 324 854
64 11 B 324 1178
65 12 R 324 1502
66 3 R 324 1826
67 3 R 324 2150
68 34 R 324 2474 (peak profit of +2474 recorded at 18 units/18 numbers)
69 33 B -324
70 21 R -324 bet 19 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
71 3 R 323 2149
72 13 B -361
73 31 B -361
74 15 B 323 1750
75 3 R 323 2073
76 18 R -361 bet 20 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
77 27 R -400 bet 21 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,34,35
78 32 R -441
79 25 R -441
80 19 R 315 745
81 12 R 315 1060
82 5 R -441 bet 22 units on 0,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,34,35
83 0 G 308 927
84 5 R 308 1235
85 29 B 308 1543
86 18 R 308 1851
87 16 R 308 2159
88 20 B 308 2467
89 36 R -484 bet 23 units on 0,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,34,35,36
90 21 R 299 2282
91 33 B -529 bet 24 units on 0,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
92 2 B -576 bet 25 units on 0,2,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
93 0 G 275 1452
94 6 B -625 bet 26 units on 0,2,3,5,6,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
95 7 R -676 bet 27 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
96 23 R 243 394
97 19 R 243 637
98 3 R 243 880
99 10 B 243 1123
100 35 B 243 1366
101 13 B -729 bet 28 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
102 13 B 224 861
103 31 B -784 bet 29 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36
104 19 R 203 280
105 8 B -841
106 27 R 203 -358
107 5 R 203 -155
108 30 R 203 48
109 19 R 203 251
110 13 B 203 454
111 6 B 203 657
112 33 B 203 860
113 3 R 203 1063
114 4 B -841
115 11 B 203 425
116 6 B 203 628
117 25 R -841 bet 30 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36
118 26 B 180 -33
119 21 R 180 147
120 26 B 180 327 last spin at +ve balance (bankroll couldn't recover after 30 spins/30 numbers)
121 1 R -900 bet 31 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36
122 32 R -961 bet 32 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
123 32 R 128 -1406
124 6 B 128 -1278
125 35 B 128 couldn't recover any more..
126 2 B 128
127 16 R 128
128 14 R -1024
129 3 R 128
130 9 R 128
131 23 R 128
132 0 G 128
133 21 R 128
134 17 B -1024 bet 33 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
135 22 B 99
136 21 R 99
137 14 R -1089 bet 34 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
138 29 B 68
139 9 R 68
140 1 R 68
141 6 B 68
142 23 R 68
143 34 R 68
144 31 B 68
145 31 B 68
146 15 B 68
147 16 R 68
148 3 R 68
149 20 B 68
150 1 R 68
151 24 B 68
152 13 B 68
153 4 B -1156 bet 35 on all cept 8,28
154 9 R 35
155 3 R 35
156 30 R 35
157 12 R 35
158 21 R 35
159 32 R 35
160 13 B 35
161 7 R 35
162 36 R 35
163 20 B 35
164 32 R 35
165 1 R 35
166 24 B 35
167 30 R 35
168 14 R 35
169 5 R 35
170 2 B 35
171 27 R 35
172 20 B 35
173 15 B 35
174 19 R 35
175 36 R 35
176 19 R 35
177 23 R 35
178 17 B 35
179 25 R 35
180 29 B 35
181 0 G 35
182 8 B -1225
As you can see in the progression, it seems like the trend is like a mountain, going up then down (but a very jagged one)
18 spins/18 numbers seems like the peak profit area, while continuing after 30 spins/numbers would mean being unable to recover bankroll.
2nd session I tried.
(no.ofspins/spin number/color) (amt won or loss in that spin/overall bankroll balance) (actions taken) (notes)
183 1 R
184 16 R
185 14 R
186 19 R
187 17 B
188 32 R
189 8 B
190 23 R
191 35 B
192 6 B
193 5 R
194 11 B
195 14 R 1 unit on 14
196 36 R -1
197 23 R -1 2 unit on 14,23
198 29 B -4
199 15 B -4
200 3 R -4
201 25 R -4
202 32 R -4
203 32 R -4 3 unit on 14,23,32
204 5 R -9 4 unit on 5,14,23,32
205 27 R -16
206 9 R -16
207 9 R -16 5 unit on 5,9,14,23,32
208 11 B -25 6 unit on 5,9,11,14,23,32
209 12 R -36
210 20 B -36
211 15 B -36 7 unit on 5,9,11,14,15,23,32
212 24 B -49
213 5 R 203 -62
214 21 R -49
215 12 R -49 8 unit on 5,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
216 7 R 224 64
217 34 R -64
218 22 B -64
219 8 B -64 9 unit on 5,8,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
220 22 B -81
221 8 B 243 34
222 33 B -81
223 6 B -81 10 unit on 5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
224 1 R -100 11 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
225 17 B -121 12 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,32
226 5 R 288 -61
227 12 R 288 227
228 28 B -144
229 27 R -144 13 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,32
230 30 R -169
231 5 R 300 70
232 36 R -169 14 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,32,36
233 0 G -196
234 9 R 308 13
235 31 B -196
236 8 B 308 125
237 33 B -196 15 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,32,33,36
238 9 R 315 244
239 30 R -225 16 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,30,32,33,36
240 36 R 320 339
241 5 R 320 659
242 2 B -256
243 0 G -256 17 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,30,32,33,36
244 5 R 323 470
245 28 B -289 18 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,28,30,32,33,36
246 22 B -324 19 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,22,23,27,28,30,32,33,36
247 25 R -361 20 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,22,23,25,27,28,30,32,33,36
248 33 B 320 -184
249 23 R 320 136
250 30 R 320 456
251 0 G 320 776 peak profit (peak profit of +776 recorded at 20 units/20 numbers)
252 31 B -400 21 unit on 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,22,23,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36
253 20 B -441 22 unit on 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36
254 8 B 308 243
255 12 R 308 551
256 13 B -484
257 2 B -484 23 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36
258 29 B -529 24 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,36
259 28 B 288 -658
260 22 B 288 -370
261 27 R 288 -82
262 33 B 288 206 (last spin at +ve balance at 24 units/numbers)
263 16 R -576 25 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,36
264 18 R -625
265 10 B -625
266 2 B 275 -1345
267 14 R 275 -1070
268 19 R -625 26 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,36
269 15 B 260 -1435
270 20 B 260 -1175
271 25 R 260 -915
272 35 B -676 27 unit 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,35,36
273 24 B -729
274 16 R 243 -2077
275 7 R -729 28 unit 0,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,35,36
276 12 R 224 -2582
277 15 B 224 -2358
278 20 B 224 -2134
279 27 R 224 -1910
280 17 B 224 -1686
281 8 B 224 -1462
282 34 R -784 29 unit 0,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
283 21 R -841 30 unit 0,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
284 21 R 180 -2907
285 33 B 180 -2727
286 26 B -900
287 36 R 180
288 1 R 180
289 34 R 180
290 0 G 180 -2907
291 18 R -900 31 unit on all except 3,4,10,13,24,26
292 7 R 155
293 13 B -961 32 unit all except 3,4,10,24,26
294 21 R 128
295 36 R 128
296 26 B -1024 33 unit all except 3,4,10,24
297 31 B 99
298 15 B 99
299 1 R 99
300 28 B 99
301 28 B 99
302 16 R 99
303 7 R 99
304 2 B 99
305 1 R 99
306 25 R 99
307 4 B -1089
308 13 B 99
309 13 B 99
310 13 B 99
311 13 B 99
312 33 B 99
313 27 R 99
314 10 B -1089 34 unit all cept 3,4,24
315 34 R 68
316 11 B 68
317 28 B 68
318 16 R 68
319 10 B 68
320 4 B -1156 35 unit on all cept 3,24
321 7 R 35
322 0 G 35
323 29 B 35
324 5 R 35
325 0 G 35
326 19 R 35
327 5 R 35
328 20 B 35
329 32 R 35
330 35 B 35
331 5 R 35
332 6 B 35
333 31 B 35
334 35 B 35
335 7 R 35
336 21 R 35
337 22 B 35
338 36 R 35
339 28 B 35
340 33 B 35
341 8 B 35
342 28 B 35
343 4 B 35
344 14 R 35
345 1 R 35
346 25 R 35
347 32 R 35
348 10 B 35
349 36 R 35
350 35 B 35
351 18 R 35
352 7 R 35
353 21 R 35
354 31 B 35
355 34 R 35
356 33 B 35
357 36 R 35
358 15 B 35
359 11 B 35
360 2 B 35
361 17 B 35
362 35 B 35
363 21 R 35
364 22 B 35
365 2 B 35
366 3 R 35
367 5 R 35
368 26 B 35
369 20 B 35
370 13 B 35
371 15 B 35
372 30 R 35
373 22 B 35
374 36 R 35
375 25 R 35
376 17 B 35
377 20 B 35
378 17 B 35
379 13 B 35
380 12 R 35
381 18 R 35
382 35 B 35
383 20 B 35
384 29 B 35
385 30 R 35
386 15 B 35
387 31 B 35
388 21 R 35
389 24 B -1225
In this 2nd session, peak profit was way lower at +774 units and at 20 units/numbers. This satisfies my theory that progression is like a mountain going up until half of the roulette numbers (37/2), around 18-19 units/numbers or so where it reaches its peak profit then after which it declines.
last positive bankroll happened pretty quick at 24 units/24 numbers..
This method is a sure winner in a sense that it seems the trend is for the profits/loss to go up until around 18-19 units/numbers before declining quite rapidly. if one can exit before 18-19 units/numbers, one can profit heftly.
The only reason I see this not happening is if a lot of 2 repeaters hitting without repeating a third time. However, if you have a good exit strategy, it seems to me it can be profitable when exiting every-time its at its peak or at a high balance..
GLC,Keel or Hermes, would greatly appreciate if you can feedback or have further comments on this
Quote from: GLC on June 21, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
Guys,
I just finished testing 13 more sessions. Results are not so good this time. I had 4 losing sessions for a total of -1008 units and 9 winning sessions for a total of +826 units. Overall loss was -182 units. This was in a 310 spin period.
Keel, I was using your rules except I forgot to start tracking again when I had a three hit before getting my 3 two hit numbers. I will re-run the numbers again and see how much effect this would have had if I had played strictly by your rules.
G
GLC, how come you had 4 losing sessions? All my sessions were winning... I tried your method of betting 1 unit/1number at first repeat and so on, though continuing after 10 units/numbers (not stopping like how you first suggested). It seems like the trend is going up till about 18-19 units/numbers where after which it would decline drastically..
Sorry guys your efforts are great but no mechanical system can and will ever work. Not in the longterm anyway. And a large progression is not going to change that. What you do not realize is that as much as what you think a progression works for you .... 10 x fold it works against you when the house of cards come down.
BTW this system with 20 spins and using the numbers that has hit twice has been used before. Should be in the archives under full systems somewhere. It just does not work.
I don't know man. Maybe you're correct in the sense that it doesn't win all the time, But if you studied the progression it hits its peak at 18-19 units/numbers.
So the ground rules are as follow, exit every time when new overall high balance is reached, if its not reached, exit at 18 units/numbers.
My test results, every time exiting at a "new overall high balance" are as follows:
in 700+ spins, I profited 2360 units.
Quote from: RouletteFanatic on June 22, 2010, 06:10:28 AM
I don't know man. Maybe you're correct in the sense that it doesn't win all the time, But if you studied the progression it hits its peak at 18-19 units/numbers.
So the ground rules are as follow, exit every time when new overall high balance is reached, if its not reached, exit at 18 units/numbers.
Anyway, I don't believe that no mechanical system can't win in the long run. Simple fact that there are guys coding RX with a profit even after 100k or even a million spins..How do you explain that?
Well first of all who are those people? Don't just take people's word for things like that.
Secondly what are the drawdowns like? You know you have to ask yourself the question is a system successful if it shows a profit after 100K spins of $1. What would the point be? Even if you had a system that made $1 after 10 mil spins. What would the point be and is it the HG? Because it made $1 and is therefore in profit? What are looking for is to turn the house edge around. and seriously there is only a few ways to do that and mechanical systems ain't one of them. Sorry mate.
Yup, sorry to piss on your bonfire, but I gotta agree with the Jackal. .
This lame system is as old as the hills,
And has about as much chance of success as South Africa winning the World Cup. . !
Quote from: Jack Wad on June 22, 2010, 06:50:32 AM
Yup, sorry to piss on your bonfire, but I gotta agree with the Jackal. .
This lame system is as old as the hills,
And has about as much chance of success as South Africa winning the World Cup. . !
;D I assume you are referring to Soccer and not Rugby right?
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on June 22, 2010, 05:51:27 AM
Sorry guys your efforts are great but no mechanical system can and will ever work. Not in the longterm anyway. And a large progression is not going to change that. What you do not realize is that as much as what you think a progression works for you .... 10 x fold it works against you when the house of cards come down.
BTW this system with 20 spins and using the numbers that has hit twice has been used before. Should be in the archives under full systems somewhere. It just does not work.
Jakkasdraai, mind you explain why it would not work? Is not that I doubt you or anything, but it would be better if you can substantiate with something.
I had 34 sessions or 700+ spins and was in about 2.6K profits. All my session were winning, even if there is one that is losing, I can "exit" anytime and still be in healthy profit.
Im not saying it will work forever, but its better then your run of mill strategy and also it seems to work very well up to now..
Did you notice how your peak profit in both of your examples was on the 68th spin exactly? -- :o
You are trying to beat roulette with a total onslaught of money. It seems you have done it. I have visually tested probably 100 sessions now. The key to this system, anyway you slice it, is if you get a hit soon after a change of unit size. Which also means an increase to the amount of numbers covered.
I would like you to try something like this:
Bet the following occurrences for a specific number of spins. If a number hits while your not on it, so be it and continue anyway.
2 numbers. 2 units. 6 spins
3 numbers. 3 units. 5 spins
4 numbers. 4 units. 4 spins
5 numbers. 5 units. 3 spins
6 numbers. 6 units. 2 spins
7 numbers. 7 units. 1 spin
8 8 1 spin
everything else just 1 spin
* If a new qualifying number appears sooner than your max spins, just proceed as follows.
* If you get a win, just repeat the bet
RouletteFanatic,
It will not work because because it has been tried hundreds, if not thousands of times before.
In all shapes and forms. It always crashes.
700 spins, especially if you use a steep progression, means absolutely nothing. Sorry, but that is just the truth. I have seen plenty of systems that hold up to 20 000 spins. The problem is you don't know if it will crash tomorow or in six months.
Insidebet
If you do not get on a little run when betting 12+ numbers, you will probably tank. This total onslaught has high risk and HIGH rewards. Anyone want to try it? You will need around $2000 to be safe and to give it a good go. If you want to follow a more safe approach you must set win and loss limits.
Also, you could start betting 1 unit when you reach 10 numbers and increase +1 when you add on more numbers.
For now, I will try a session for fun.
Just thinking out loud, KEEL
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=16484.msg112989#msg112989 date=1277231280
RouletteFanatic,
It will not work because because it has been tried hundreds, if not thousands of times before.
In all shapes and forms. It always crashes.
700 spins, especially if you use a steep progression, means absolutely nothing. Sorry, but that is just the truth. I have seen plenty of systems that hold up to 20 000 spins. The problem is you don't know if it will crash tomorow or in six months.
Insidebet
Hi insidebet,
Im sure there is a certainty that there will be a time where the progression could not recover overall balance high. But i'm thinking to always exit at a favourable point of the progression(even when its negative), at most for that losing progression I made a loss of a few hundred. But in the other 34 sessions I made 2600 in profits which would cover the ocassional loss of a few hundred if it does happen.
For one thing, this is not a martingale if you studied the progression diagram i proposed earlier. The losses at the early stages are small and the wins are big, but continuing the progression the losses and wins become more even and then the wins small and losses big. Therefore, it is not like you are pinning all hope on one single spin and finding yourself down of your whole bankroll. For this, you can exit anytime you want.
Quote from: keel44 on June 22, 2010, 03:16:07 PM
Did you notice how your peak profit in both of your examples was on the 68th spin exactly? -- :o
You are trying to beat roulette with a total onslaught of money. It seems you have done it. I have visually tested probably 100 sessions now. The key to this system, anyway you slice it, is if you get a hit soon after a change of unit size. Which also means an increase to the amount of numbers covered.
I would like you to try something like this:
Bet the following occurrences for a specific number of spins. If a number hits while your not on it, so be it and continue anyway.
2 numbers. 2 units. 6 spins
3 numbers. 3 units. 5 spins
4 numbers. 4 units. 4 spins
5 numbers. 5 units. 3 spins
6 numbers. 6 units. 2 spins
7 numbers. 7 units. 1 spin
8 8 1 spin
everything else just 1 spin
* If a new qualifying number appears sooner than your max spins, just proceed as follows.
* If you get a win, just repeat the bet
Will try that keel and report on results. Thanks for feedback. Anyway just to update you, while testing on the system, I already have +3000 profits in about 900 spins. Though, I came across one session of the progression that remained at a loss for a long time before reaching at a high balance of +273 at 20 units/20 numbers!
edit: weird thing is, it then achieved peak profit +2602 at 25 units/numbers!?!!?
That is very scary, though overall a high balance is achieved (I've haven't encountered one session where it doesn't yet up till now, but im sure it will happen) a sane person would not bet so deep into a progression.
However if I exited early, a loss of 100-200 units happens. And overall I would still profit considering the past sessions. I'm pretty sure a good exit strategy must be built for this system.
Anyway keel just wondering, you said you have visually tested for 100 sessions. I wonder how does it look like? What program are you using.
thanks
edit: keel, about the 68th spin thingy, it doesnt always fall in peak profit. but I found out that at the 68th spin it always seems to make good money. Very eerily weird. If this works, maybe we can just have a system that stops after the 68th spin. lmao.
anyway heading off to sleep, would test all the ideas again..
Quote from: RouletteFanatic on June 22, 2010, 05:31:50 PM
Anyway keel just wondering, you said you have visually tested for 100 sessions. I wonder how does it look like? What program are you using.
thanks
edit: keel, about the 68th spin thingy, it doesn't always fall in peak profit. but I found out that at the 68th spin it always seems to make good money. Very eerily weird. If this works, maybe we can just have a system that stops after the 68th spin. lmao.
anyway heading off to sleep, would test all the ideas again..
I have a program that you can feed numbers into it and it will tell you numbers that have hit once, twice, and more than twice. I can also see
when they hit.
I only can do 50 spins at a time. All I know is the first hit comes at around spin 18 on average while your betting 4 or 5 numbers on average. I never had tested to the great lengths you suggest. There must be some way to make this work at a safer level. Only time will tell.
KEEL
Keel, finally had one session which I thought was a losing session cause had a drawdown as large as 3000 units, but was at last able to recover at 26 units/numbers. I was defintely wrong about it being a mountain (the profits), it was more of a reverse mountain in this case.
scary though...but still haven't come across a complete losing session yet..though I see it as a certainty at some point.
would try your method now.
Not trying to be the negative influence here. Trust me I have tried just about anything that's around. The fact of the matter remains that you will eventually hit a brick wall. Whatever seems to make sense this week most probably won't next week.
Notice how your drawdown was 3000 units? How you are already 25 unit per number? In the B&M casino I play at the min is 1 chip and the maximum is 20 chips per number.......
Why would this not work?
Well for starters remember that each and every roulette spin is an event on it's own. No previous results affects it. When I say this I contradict myself slightly but what I'm trying to say is that because a certain number game out twice does not mean it will happen again for the next 200 spins. Same with any other number that came out twice, simply because on every spin every number has the same chance of showing. So because a number repeated does not mean for one second that it has more chance of showing than any other number. I contradict myself slightly because yes if I play Kimo's method I do look back at spins but not as much the number as rather sectors or in 'time' when what is due. Again though not specific numbers as much as what is happening on the wheel.
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on June 23, 2010, 05:24:22 AM
Not trying to be the negative influence here. Trust me I have tried just about anything that's around. The fact of the matter remains that you will eventually hit a brick wall. Whatever seems to make sense this week most probably won't next week.
Notice how your drawdown was 3000 units? How you are already 25 unit per number? In the B&M casino I play at the min is 1 chip and the maximum is 20 chips per number.......
Why would this not work?
Well for starters remember that each and every roulette spin is an event on it's own. No previous results affects it. When I say this I contradict myself slightly but what I'm trying to say is that because a certain number game out twice does not mean it will happen again for the next 200 spins. Same with any other number that came out twice, simply because on every spin every number has the same chance of showing. So because a number repeated does not mean for one second that it has more chance of showing than any other number. I contradict myself slightly because yes if I play Kimo's method I do look back at spins but not as much the number as rather sectors or in 'time' when what is due. Again though not specific numbers as much as what is happening on the wheel.
Hi, though I was just pushing it to see when will it be a flat-out losing session if I just continue betting. In that above scenario, I could have stopped playing and exited losing a few hundred and still have thousands from earlier sessions. I believe with some sort of exit strategy, one can still profit then just flat betting or playing through luck.
There's nothing 100% at roulette, there's the luck element involved. but a strategy with some luck is better then random playing..
Due to the random nature of how many times a number will hit in a set number of spins, this system can be profitable. Usually in 37 spins, at least 1 number will hit a third time. Not always of course, but way more times than not. An aggressive approach like this, takes advantage of HOT numbers. The problem is when to get in and when to get out.
Basically this takes advantage of random fluctuation of repeating numbers. If it does not repeat soon enough, this system will fail.
On a side note, I tried this technique with low numbers. I wait until a low number appears, then I start betting on that number. I keep adding numbers and units as they come. I am waiting for a low number to appear twice in this case. I had great success, just like this system.
Keep persevering !!
KEEL
Keel, just wondering, what is the longest amount of spins before it takes a number to hit a triple?
I know technically it is 75 spins. If each number repeats twice 37*2, the next one has to be a triple. But the chances of that happening are very low, its so extreme that i dont think it has happened it roulette history before..I wonder in a simulation of a few millions spins, whats the results like?
I do not have that answer. I have seen the first triple hit on spin 37 in my visual testing. Only once out of one hundred or so trial tests. It would take an odd case to be much more than that. What do you got up your sleeve?
I had played around with repeaters before, the longest it took to encounter a triple was somewhere in the low to mid 40s if I can remember correctly..But thats just from my own personal experience..
keel update using ur progression: 1004 spins +1665 units
Seems good, it is much much less riskier then the earlier progression, and it seems to do fine. Either that or im lucky. I've had a lot of times up by profits from a few thousand spins even just to go downhill.. So got to test more.
Quote from: keel44 on June 22, 2010, 03:16:07 PM
Did you notice how your peak profit in both of your examples was on the 68th spin exactly? -- :o
You are trying to beat roulette with a total onslaught of money. It seems you have done it. I have visually tested probably 100 sessions now. The key to this system, anyway you slice it, is if you get a hit soon after a change of unit size. Which also means an increase to the amount of numbers covered.
I would like you to try something like this:
Bet the following occurrences for a specific number of spins. If a number hits while your not on it, so be it and continue anyway.
2 numbers. 2 units. 6 spins
3 numbers. 3 units. 5 spins
4 numbers. 4 units. 4 spins
5 numbers. 5 units. 3 spins
6 numbers. 6 units. 2 spins
7 numbers. 7 units. 1 spin
8 8 1 spin
everything else just 1 spin
* If a new qualifying number appears sooner than your max spins, just proceed as follows.
* If you get a win, just repeat the bet
edit: I think I kind of get the idea you are trying to propose. Anyways, I did test on my actuals and so far so good :thumbsup: 676 spins, +1290 units. Hopefully not a lucky statiscal variance that we always seem to encounter! :good:
keel update using ur progression: 1004 spins +1665 units
Seems good, it is much much less riskier then the earlier progression, and it seems to do fine. Either that or im lucky. I've had a lot of times up by profits from a few thousand spins even just to go downhill.. So got to test more.
keel, final update before I go to sleep..
1520 spins +2049 profits. largest drawdown: -329 units largest losing session: -105 units.
Keel, that progression needs to be changed though, had some big losses that when continuing to play. And many times this progression doesn't seem to bring out the maximum profits..and I started losing quite badly.
I continue to do numerous tests. Most sessions win easily. Average profits after the first hit are at about $75. I don't test past 50 spins, and I don't test when betting 11, 12, 13 ...... numbers.
I am trying to find the right method of play.
I definitely think a stop loss is in order. I did 20 sessions of stopping after the first hit and quitting at around -250. 3 losing session. 17 winning sessions. Around $660 profit.
Some sessions that start off down $700 or more, do they seem to recover? This style is much too risky, however. We need to know when to quit. Give me some more data, and I'll see what's what.
KEEL
Quote from: keel44 on June 24, 2010, 07:48:32 PM
I continue to do numerous tests. Most sessions win easily. Average profits after the first hit are at about $75. I don't test past 50 spins, and I don't test when betting 11, 12, 13 ...... numbers.
I am trying to find the right method of play.
I definitely think a stop loss is in order. I did 20 sessions of stopping after the first hit and quitting at around -250. 3 losing session. 17 winning sessions. Around $660 profit.
Some sessions that start off down $700 or more, do they seem to recover? This style is much too risky, however. We need to know when to quit. Give me some more data, and I'll see what's what.
Thats what im saying keel, some session started down $700 and did not recover until very back of the progression. I had two close sessions both down $700, which means down $1400. Kind of scary.
KEEL