This system is based on Double Streets 1) 1-6. 2) 7-12. 3) 13-18. 4) 19-24. 5) 25-30. 6) 31-36.
The idea for this system came from another forum, pretty simple, and from my results pretty effective too!
System
write out the first 6 spins:
464523
Now the first bet is going to be on DS 4, if lose next bet will be DS 6 and so on until hopefully a win/repeat, the progression to use is 1,1,1,1,1,2. If a win on a line then stop and wait for next line before betting again.
If the there no win then on the next line the progression goes up to 2,2,2,2,2,4 and on a win from that go back down to 1,1,1,1,1,2. . . . . so basically up 1 step on a loss and down 1 on a win.
Here is one of my tests:
464523
122253 +5
355216 +7
361614 +12
315464 +17
515513 +21
664644 +14 (2,2,2,2,2,4)
564645 +22 (1,1,1,1,1,2)
365513 +26
326451 +31
233525 +24 (2,2,2,2,2,4)
513561 +30 (1,1,1,1,1,2)
616364 +34
550354 +36
561322 +41
521252 +46
012214 +48
LD
Thanks for your immaculate description of the system , I have seen something like this before but with the dozens.
The only question is how many spins it will hold up to. Have you tried winning real money with this or is it untested in real play - looks interesting , I could see the progressions getting steep though as the spin count rises.
should work better on a wheel. rng forget it. The wheel is capable though of "decoding " systems like this ;D
I think the wheel has the mind of the devil some times. >:D
i tried this earlier and was 170 chips up on real play , i withdraw all the money , will try it again some time :thumbsup:
Quote from: Kingspin link=topic=18558. msg133951#msg133951 date=1302310868
Thanks for your immaculate description of the system , I have seen something like this before but with the dozens.
The only question is how many spins it will hold up to. Have you tried winning real money with this or is it untested in real play - looks interesting , I could see the progressions getting steep though as the spin count rises.
should work better on a wheel. rng forget it. The wheel is capable though of "decoding " systems like this ;D
I think the wheel has the mind of the devil some times. >:D
I tried this earlier and was 170 chips up on real play , I withdraw all the money , will try it again some time :thumbsup:
Hi Kingspin, I only ever test with real wheel spins, but never tried this for real 'yet'. In my test though sometimes I get up to 3,3,3,3,3,6 and even 4,4,4,4,4,8 but it's usually when the bankroll is high enough to take a knock. . . just amazes me how fast it recovers and your back down down to 1,1,1,1,1,2 only slightly lower bankroll, this is probably due to there being almost at least 1 repeat in every line.
Will keep testing. . . . . .
How i played the progression is i would play 111112 if i loose this run then the next progression is 222224 , if i am unlucky and loose the 222224 progression then what i did was reset back to the 111112 and start again. Either play it my progression or your progression , it's down to how big the bankroll is i guess. I actually won on rng too which is rare.
Quote from: Kingspin link=topic=18558. msg133995#msg133995 date=1302344035
How I played the progression is I would play 111112 if I lose this run then the next progression is 222224 , if I am unlucky and lose the 222224 progression then what I did was reset back to the 111112 and start again. Either play it my progression or your progression , it's down to how big the bankroll is I guess. I actually won on rng too which is rare.
Yeah thats sounds more sensible, knocking it on the head at 222224. Yes your right, winning on rng is a rare thing in my experience, long term anyway :-[
yes this is a long run winner.
This session started off really well, sadly I ran out of numbers to see what would of happened at the end >:(
564523
122253 W+5
355216 W+7
361614 W+12
315464 W+17
515513 W+21
664644 L+14 (2,2,2,2,2,4)
564645 W+22 (1,1,1,1,1,2)
365513 W+26
326451 W+31
233525 L+24 (2,2,2,2,2,4)
513561 W+30 (1,1,1,1,1,2)
616364 W+34
550354 W+36
561322 W+41
521252 W+46
012214 W+48
424025 L+43 (2,2,2,2,2,4)
065252 L+31 (1,1,1,1,1,2)
LD
This one was just too good, and I used Kingspin's safer progression, but would of been a lot more if I hadn't 'this time' but thinking about it, it could of gone very wrong should a few more of the red rows showed up, which is bound to happen sooner or later.
665114
646142 W+5
641145 W+10
031221 W+13
256111 W+19
153651 W+23
366652 W+25
263433 W+29
134415 W+31
055144 L+24 (2,2,2,2,2,4)
546405 L+12 (1,1,1,1,1,2)
245262 W+16
542615 W+20
362364 W+23
454326 W+25
352331 W+29
514211 W+34
544445 W+39
355325 W+44
622353 W+46
Now am I right in thinking for a system that uses just 6 numbers and pretty much a low progression, that the W/L registry is more like that of betting 24 numbers???? ....And I'm talking 24 number system on a good day ;D
LD
I have a gut feeling some kind of mathmatical thing is at play here with this method. I played another method much the same as this but playing dozens in place of the ds i seemed to do well with that method too. Course we can always loose but still it's a pretty good bet. On a good run i can see this holding up for many hundreds of spins.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 09, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
I have a gut feeling some kind of mathmatical thing is at play here with this method. I played another method much the same as this but playing dozens in place of the ds I seemed to do well with that method too. Course we can always lose but still it's a pretty good bet. On a good run I can see this holding up for many hundreds of spins.
was that like this by any chance?
1321
1332 W+2
2322 W+5
2123 W+7
3332 L-3
3123 W-1
2222 W+2
1321 W+5
3121 W+8
1331 W+10
1311 W+12
1213 W+14
1312 W+16
1131 W+18
This system is on a singe dozen using 1,2,3,4 progression,seems ok.
Yep thats the way I played it , I won some money with that method, I did not play it for any extended sessions as playing dozens
is a method that to be honest I am not too keen on no matter what the system ;D
The dozens and even chances are bets that personally I rarely play.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 09, 2011, 06:39:25 PM
Yep thats the way I played it , I won some money with that method, I did not play it for any extended sessions as playing dozens
is a method that to be honest I am not too keen on no matter what the system ;D
The dozens and even chances are bets that personally I rarely play.
stick with the 6 I guess :spiteful:
Hi LD and Kingspin,
Interesting system, I thought of a slight twist to the system. But only play it if you're winning. Perhaps, when a Repeat occurs, instead of stopping and waiting for the line to form fully, we continue betting just once as long as we are still hitting?
So if the line repeats consecutively, we get more hits. But we stop once we "break" the chain of repeats and re-track as we were suppose to.
Also, I agree with kingspin that his safer (1,2,1,2) progression would be a safer grind, cause LD did mention that we could get a lot of "red" lines and would get into trouble.
Question: what should be the Target Profit and Stop Lost be?
Hope to hear from you guys soon, keep up the good work!! :)
PS: LD, could you post more examples of the other Repeats Catchup system you posted earlier :) That looks promising too!! :)
I've played 100 spins on 6 lines with progression 111112 and,if lose, 2222224.
Balance:-38 units.
There is no math,statistic or exoteric reasons why a line must repeat in the same positions as above.
It's only a matter of luck,I'm afraid!
Creative system,but without interest.
I can suggest hundreds of systems like this one.
My friends, stop dreaming.
The systems for trying to beat roulette are more complicated.
You must find the best mix of bankroll,win goal,risk of bankruptcy,time spent at the table and as easy as possible to play.
You must sacrify at least 2 of the above items.Most frequent: time spent at the table(a lot!) and win goal(low)!
But you can choose 2 differents items.
I only played the 1 long session where i won over 170 chips , i was actually up 230 chips at one point in the game.
I will play this method for real money again next week some time and report back if i lost or won. Maybe a bit more testing to prove if this is a good bet or just a pure luck bet. :)
This remind me of a roulette system using dozen that also have the same kind of random element to it.
I just want to mention that I don't play roulette systems - but sure find it fun to experiment - this is why I post here.
I assume when you play the lines the pay out is 5 chips and we have six lines.
So I am going to elaborate a littel about some experience I have of past testing.
The random element using dozen was that you just follow the last hit for 6 trails and if a loss you follow the present dozen for another 6 trails using progression - many times it hit 1K playing 300 trails and as expected it tank.
One thing I notice is that the distribution of the random hits does not chop at the very end witch make it not nessery to increase the bet size using a progression to make a profit with every placed bets.
I can compare it with a even money bet where you flat betting you can use a line like 1 1 1 witch give +1+0-1 and same goes for dozen play where some one can use a line like 1 1 1 1 witch give +2+1+0-1 before you make a humble increase of the bet size - witch also does not have to recoup all the previous loses - as the random element of chops generate a strike ratio that accumulate profits over time - witch mean you can develop a progression that can delay and handle long strings of bad down swings.
So my conclusion is there is no reason to increase any bets using the first line playing lines with the method mention above to make profits or a net gain and same applies to the second state.
This brings me to old scary martingale as comparison - witch handle bad swing in a pretty good way if some one apply martingale in a proper way - this is just a side note as comparison - that after you develop a progression using a humble increase based upon what I mention above and if some one want to go all in - then some one could develop a last stage of the progression where you win back half of what you previous lost - if some one assume they never will hit the sequence from hell.
Is like a twist of using the best out of fibo and martingale principals.
464523
122253 = 111111 = -1
355216 = 1111 = +1
361614 = 1 = +6
315464 = 1 = +11
515513 = 111 = +14
664644 = 111111 = +8 [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
564645 = 111 = +11
365513 = 11 = +15
326451 = 1 = +20
233525 = 111111 = +14 [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
513561 = 111 = +17
616364 = 11111 = +17
550354 = 1111 = +18
561322
521252
012214
Should also mention that it would be better to divide the wheel into sectors with 6 numbers and where one sector out of six would include zero ...
Quote from: Kingspin on April 10, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
I only played the 1 long session where I won over 170 chips , I was actually up 230 chips at one point in the game.
I will play this method for real money again next week some time and report back if I lost or won. Maybe a bit more testing to prove if this is a good bet or just a pure luck bet. :)
Nice one, I'd love to know how it went playing for real in a B&M casino :thumbsup:
Quote from: I have cookies on April 10, 2011, 08:48:03 AM
This remind me of a roulette system using dozen that also have the same kind of random element to it.
I just want to mention that I don't play roulette systems - but sure find it fun to experiment - this is why I post here.
I assume when you play the lines the pay out is 5 chips and we have six lines.
So I am going to elaborate a littel about some experience I have of past testing.
The random element using dozen was that you just follow the last hit for 6 trails and if a loss you follow the present dozen for another 6 trails using progression - many times it hit 1K playing 300 trails and as expected it tank.
One thing I notice is that the distribution of the random hits does not chop at the very end witch make it not nessery to increase the bet size using a progression to make a profit with every placed bets.
I can compare it with a even money bet where you flat betting you can use a line like 1 1 1 witch give +1+0-1 and same goes for dozen play where some one can use a line like 1 1 1 1 witch give +2+1+0-1 before you make a humble increase of the bet size - witch also does not have to recoup all the previous loses - as the random element of chops generate a strike ratio that accumulate profits over time - witch mean you can develop a progression that can delay and handle long strings of bad down swings.
So my conclusion is there is no reason to increase any bets using the first line playing lines with the method mention above to make profits or a net gain and same applies to the second state.
This brings me to old scary martingale as comparison - witch handle bad swing in a pretty good way if some one apply martingale in a proper way - this is just a side note as comparison - that after you develop a progression using a humble increase based upon what I mention above and if some one want to go all in - then some one could develop a last stage of the progression where you win back half of what you previous lost - if some one assume they never will hit the sequence from hell.
Is like a twist of using the best out of fibo and martingale principals.
464523
122253 = 111111 = -1
355216 = 1111 = +1
361614 = 1 = +6
315464 = 1 = +11
515513 = 111 = +14
664644 = 111111 = +8 [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
564645 = 111 = +11
365513 = 11 = +15
326451 = 1 = +20
233525 = 111111 = +14 [Why would some one go to stage two if still in profit and can delay bad larger downswings]
513561 = 111 = +17
616364 = 11111 = +17
550354 = 1111 = +18
561322
521252
012214
Should also mention that it would be better to divide the wheel into sectors with 6 numbers and where one sector out of six would include zero ...
Well, when you put it like that I see what you mean. Progression is a bit pointless and dangerous.
I like the idea of using wheel sectors, thanks :thumbsup:
LD
I tried another pretty long session on rng to real play , I was playing with 20p chips. I got the bankroll up from £25 to £50 then dropped to £43 I withdrawed the lot . Another good session. :D
To play with £1 chips i suggest a bank roll of around £250.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 10, 2011, 08:01:01 PM
I tried another pretty long session on rng to real play , I was playing with 20p chips. I got the bankroll up from £25 to £50 then dropped to £43 I withdrawed the lot . Another good session. :D
To play with £1 chips I suggest a bank roll of around £250.
Nice one :thumbsup:
Exactly how are you playing it?
LD
Tried with 6 sectors of the wheel:
1) 2,_4,15,19,21,32
2) 6,13,17,25,27,34
3) 8,10,11,23,30,36
4) 1,_5,16,20,24,33
5) 9,14,18,22,29,31
6) 3,_7,12,26,28,35
198 spins,nasty run of L's :-[
326316
316551 w
245456 w
535514 w
315255 w
465221 w
256155 L
650136 w
132536 w
451431 w
326545 L
552546 w
260122 L
633132 w
213345 w
653141 w
144363 L
131221 w
443244 w
251113 L
541141 w
633612 L
445426 L
432151 w
345214 L
553631 L
046302 L
464134 L
424650 w
414031 w
152264 L
161265 w
453134 L
LD
I am playing the original version , nothing changed I still play the 11111 2. 222224 progression. I have seen a few small draw downs but have managed good come backs , I think it's a great grind of a system , one of the best I have played for some time. Now and again after a few wins in quick succession I will spin a fresh set of 6 numbers in before starting betting again. I don't like back tracking the numbers too much if you know what I mean. I will be playing with £1 chips on my next game later , probably quit around +50 to +70 profit. personally i would avoid the sectors method but thats just my opinion.
Quote from: libertydog on April 10, 2011, 08:52:39 PM
Tried with 6 sectors of the wheel:
1) 2,_4,15,19,21,32
2) 6,13,17,25,27,34
3) 8,10,11,23,30,36
4) 1,_5,16,20,24,33
5) 9,14,18,22,29,31
6) 3,_7,12,26,28,35
198 spins,nasty run of L's :-[
326316
316551 w
245456 w
535514 w
315255 w
465221 w
256155 L
650136 w
132536 w
451431 w
326545 L
552546 w
260122 L
633132 w
213345 w
653141 w
144363 L
131221 w
443244 w
251113 L
541141 w
633612 L
445426 L
432151 w
345214 L
553631 L
046302 L
464134 L
424650 w
414031 w
152264 L
161265 w
453134 L
LD
That is why you are here to make new experience - i assume you already know same will happen using the tables layout.
Cheers
I am winning so at the moment this is a good system , when i loose it becomes a bad system ;D
Quote from: Kingspin on April 11, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
I am winning so at the moment this is a good system , when I lose it becomes a bad system ;D
;D hopefully when you lose it will hardly affect what you won overall
If it performs so good why not apply 3rd progression 444448 or even 4th 8888816? Bigger bankroll but surer win.
The sectors perform worse than original version, 4 losses in row.
Hermes
A few short sessions from the actuals on this site:
662621
142411 w
341524 w
355451 w
624625 L
466515 w
655261
642634 w
565313 L
625223 w
462146 L
60546
351121
236623 w
154344 L
445444 w
216114 w
633514 w
464235
152336 w
534531 w
365354 L
354556 w
113655 w
525545
264656 L
566541 w
532435 w
535246 w
626433 L
641642 w
46
First of all nothing beats using the wheels layout as one sector include zero and secondly the wheel has 37 degree of freedom so any bad sequence using the wheel layout is the same as using the table layout - with one exception - that is zero strike using table layout you have one total loss.
Just had a bad session on rng , I got at least 24 misses on the trot which wiped me out pretty much. I guess it's possibly another cheating rng. I am still in profit but another wipe out and i would not play this method again.
Quote from: Kingspin on April 12, 2011, 05:38:36 AM
Just had a bad session on rng , I got at least 24 misses on the trot which wiped me out pretty much. I guess it's possibly another cheating rng. I am still in profit but another wipe out and I would not play this method again.
I f**ing hate RNG, used to play it at some online casino's while waiting for poker tournaments to start, and for a while it would let me win, but then stupid numbers or massive repeating dozens/EC's would happen and wipe me out. Yes true I've seen long steaks like this on real wheels but the way the rng does it is so sly and obvious.
Anyway, did a long test of 498 spins using half columns:
1) 1,4,7,10,13,16
2) 2,5,8,11,14,17
3) 3,6,9,12,15,18
4) 19,22,25,28,31,34
5) 20,23,26,29,32,35
6) 21,24,27,30,33,36
115615
264545 w
654135 w
364326 w
244342 w
255444 w
653633 w
440264 L
216354 w
143163 L
225413 w
333215 w
330261 w
566521 w
236664 w
425324 w
512651 L
264324 L
566612 w
344266 L
215261 w
362531 w
255223 L
662234 w
164116 w
231363 L
011204 w
515155 w
145130 w
626065 L
631316 w
232655 w
642356 w
224356 w
621434 w
314241 L
263146 w
464666 w
313335 L
663613 w
633361 w
234305 w
522146 L
421146 w
434666 w
622256 w
055342 L
526161 L
236416 w
261314 w
423642 L
364533 L
252524 w
155524 w
236343 L
236413 w
024624 L
065142 L
652224 L
313636 L
232266 w
056256 w
354664 w
215252 L
136552 w
555232 w
125263 w
121224 w
632266 w
222322 w
361126 w
311456 w
622251 w
662252 w
256516 L
112463 L
653241 L
246643 w
613466 L
461553 L
424115 w
633612 w
351425 L
Longer tests like this show that it's where you start from that determine a good or bad session.
LD
Not only RNGs Kingspin, it does on real wheels also. 24 no touch happens from time to time live also. It is part of the strategy. Imperfect. Know this strategy for 30 years.
Hermes
You have known it for 30 years but probably never played it too for 30 years lol ;D
Now you tell me :'(
Ok now for the next super system , i am waiting ;D