1st message, referred below:
1. Register "X" hits.
2. Chose "Y" Numbers.
3. Play them "Z" times.
4. Play always "masse egale".
5. Stop at a winner.
If you apply this, you are on the winning way.
It needs only some education, statistic, mathematic, discipline and iron will.
And last but not least: paper and pencil !!
Well, as I can see, nobody is here to pick up the basic form ("xyz") of the possibility of winning on roulette.
1. Read the first message at this topic.
2. Interpretation:
A: register always up to 75 spins ("X"), but never more !!
B: play the first number ("Y") which had show up 5 times.
C: play this number ("Z")13 times "masse egale".
D: If during the play a second number("Y") turns up 5 x, play ("Z")it
too to 13 times.
E: Stop at any winner, but put 2 chips on the winning number 1x.
Independetly of this last bet win or loose, the Party is finished.
F: You start here a new party. Simply cross out every number of your
register showing 5 and 4 appearances.
As easy as 1 x 1.
Last results: 100 parties on "Playtech" Casino with 50 Euro bankroll:
( 0.10 Chips) 24 party lost 26 chips = -624 76 Party won 1748 chips = + 1124.
I think "Nathan der Weise" would say: "it smells like winning" ?!?!
Bliss said:
It's too hard. Can we start off with A,B,C?
matyika, is this a hot number system? Mr oops did a test on this kind of system, it took more than 50 hours of continuous computer processing.
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html)
Matyka said:
To Bliss:
I am very happy to see here somebody knowing and reading my old friend Mr.Oops. We had work together for years until he left us a few years ago.
We constructed the "XYZ" strategy - total tested well over 2000000 spins and he just finished an other test over 650000 spins. He was just able to send me a very short message about the result: well over 10% winnings
above the used bankroll/party. He left us about 10 days later.
Ps: it is not a "hot # method".
Hope this is useful.
Credit: Matyika/Mr.Oops
By the way: "masse egale" = FLAT BETTING.
Regards,
Victor
Quote from: VLSroulette on October 29, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
1st message, referred below:
1. Register "X" hits.
2. Chose "Y" Numbers.
3. Play them "Z" times.
4. Play always "masse egale".
5. Stop at a winner.
If you apply this, you are on the winning way.
It needs only some education, statistic, mathematic, discipline and iron will.
And last but not least: paper and pencil !!
Well, as I can see, nobody is here to pick up the basic form ("xyz") of the possibility of winning on roulette.
1. Read the first message at this topic.
2. Interpretation:
A: register always up to 75 spins ("X"), but never more !!
B: play the first number ("Y") which had show up 5 times.
C: play this number ("Z")13 times "masse egale".
D: If during the play a second number("Y") turns up 5 x, play ("Z")it
too to 13 times.
E: Stop at any winner, but put 2 chips on the winning number 1x.
Here the play is for only 1 spin on that number that have hit with 2 chips or for 13 spins???
Independetly of this last bet win or loose, the Party is finished.
F: You start here a new party. Simply cross out every number of your
register showing 5 and 4 appearances.
As easy as 1 x 1.
Last results: 100 parties on "Playtech" Casino with 50 Euro bankroll:
( 0.10 Chips) 24 party lost 26 chips = -624 76 Party won 1748 chips = + 1124.
I think "Nathan der Weise" would say: "it smells like winning" ?!?!
Bliss said:
It's too hard. Can we start off with A,B,C?
matyika, is this a hot number system? Mr oops did a test on this kind of system, it took more than 50 hours of continuous computer processing.
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html)
Matyka said:
To Bliss:
I am very happy to see here somebody knowing and reading my old friend Mr.Oops. We had work together for years until he left us a few years ago.
We constructed the "XYZ" strategy - total tested well over 2000000 spins and he just finished an other test over 650000 spins. He was just able to send me a very short message about the result: well over 10% winnings
above the used bankroll/party. He left us about 10 days later.
Ps: it is not a "hot # method".
Hope this is useful.
Credit: Matyika/Mr.Oops
Hi Victor,
This is something similar or at least have some point in common to Victory´s Master Sequences or Roulette Warfare - that uses a combination of methods.
One of the points take in count the following : ---> Looks for the 5th repetition.
A)Wheel Bias :
-Record 80 spins.
-Note the numbers that have appeared 4 or more times.
-Bet them for 30 spins with 1 unit on each (flat betting).
-So is betting from 80 to 110 spins.Cheers,
JLP.-
we bet 1 unit on all numbers who appears 5 times in a 75 spins session...for 13 spins.....and we bet 2 chips for 1 spin on a winner
did i miss something ?
thanks
or was it wait for a number to hit 5 times in under 75 and bet 1u on it for 13 spins. Then if it wins, you stop the session and start a new one with 2u on it. Again for 13 spins?
Hello,
First of all:
What was tested by Mr Oops is not ONE method.
It is described like this on his site:
Quote
Instructions for Record 'n' Bet:
The system is played in sessions. Start your first session at any time / spin you like. There must, however, be time to finish a complete session. The [highlight]length of a session is for the user to decide[/highlight]: it is the sum of the lengths of the Recording and the Betting.
1. [highlight]Recording:[/highlight] You record all spins in sequence [highlight]for a selected number of spins (X spins)[/highlight]. As in the above example: 24 spins are recorded.
2. [highlight]Selecting:[/highlight] You select all [highlight]numbers that fit one or more in a set of cathegories (Y numbers)[/highlight]. As in the above example: The cathegory is "numbers that won twice or more".
3. [highlight]Betting:[/highlight] (Starting at the spin immediately following the Recording phase's last spin) You bet all the numbers that fit into your cathegory [highlight]for a selected number of spins (Z spins)[/highlight]. You bet all spins in sequence. As in the above example: Betting the selected numbers for 36 spins.
Betting [highlight]flat bets or not, is for the user to decide...[/highlight]
As you can see, the user decides everything...
What Mr Oops did, and shows only a portion of, was a LOT of X-Y-Z combinations that he tested against his Hamburg spins.
Here is the page:
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html)
Second, and the real reason I'm breaking my company-rules by logging in here is:
Quote
reading my old friend Mr.Oops. We had work together for years until he left us a few years ago.
We constructed the "XYZ" strategy...
May I ask "Matyika" who he is?
Mr Oops writes on that page:
Quote
"Paul" gave me the idea to test this way to pick numbers.
So, you are "Paul"? :)
Please PM me some details of yourself that would be recognized as "Paul".
Maybe Mr Oops is dead but there are people still around, who knew him at the time.
I am actually in contact with a person who worked VERY CLOSE to Mr Oops when it came to tests and statistics on his site.
Very close.
He says he never heard of anyone named "Matyika" and certainly not when it came to "
construct the XYZ".
What country did you live in at the time, "Matyika/Paul"?
See you guys, have to log-out now.
KFS
WOW!
I have to add that this:
Quote
He was just able to send me a very short message about the result: well over 10% winnings above the used bankroll/party.
..is simply not true.
Unfortunately the COMPLETE results tables are not there anymore. Excerpts are (use the "Table of contents" w/i the text)
But it is not true: Only some of the X-Y-Z combinations came out w/ a very small positive net and there was no consistency in the results.
(I know this from a very reliable source)
Thanks Victor for a great post, its also the way you caculate the Estat using Masse ´Egale.
Cheers LS
Hi Forum,
Here is a test with Dublinbet numbers using the sheet I made time ago for Roulette Warfare.
In this one there was only 1 qualifying number after 75 spins that have appeared 5 times (n.13), but in the test it not hit on 13 spins.It hits the others that have appeared 4 or more times on 80 spins.
Cheers,
JLP.-
I cant download anything from here nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html)
Had a bad experience betting after 4 repeaters, if somebody knows Andruchi's scam system bets exactly the same strategy (wait 70 spins and choose 4 repeaters). Some numbers repeats only 4 times in 300 spins. Many losses. Anyway, a good luck.
Hermes
Hi,
I was in a bit of a hurry yesterday afternoon so I think I didn't express my self very good.
This last spring I contacted a person on GG.
This person set me in contact with another person (also on GG) who could answer my questions.
At one time we were discussing the Oops site and he told me about his close relationship to Mr Oops.
And he offered me to give his name to the people at xerxx.se (the hosting site) to get it confirmed.
And they really confirmed it - they actually said they were informed in advance of my question...
So this person is genuine.
And as he says that he saw everything regarding tests and statistics, including mails and names, for the Oops site and cannot remember anyone named that way, I believe him.
But of course "Paul" could call himself "Matyika" nowadays...
Although "Paul" was not working together w/ Mr Oops on anything but suggested this test...
Why the "Matyika" person says that he knew and worked together with Mr Oops is beyond everyone's imagination.
If he has made a roulette method he can take all the credits he wants - why involve Mr Oops?
To use Mr Oops good reputation? Why?
Is "Matyika" a systems seller?
To claim that Mr Oops sent him a message claiming a 10% profit on a basically GF method... Is ridiculous.
If that had been the case; why would my friend develop totally other ways for playing the roulette?
And I mean TOTALLY different.
He could as well stick to the XYZ-method, if it had given that kind of profit.
It didn't.
So he didn't.
If you read the text on that page it says:
Quote
Only [highlight]a portion[/highlight] of all that [highlight]is published here[/highlight]: Net result in Units and Net result divided by Units bet. And[highlight] only for the table-entries with at least one positive result[/highlight].
Believe me: Neither Mr Oops nor his/my friend kept some secrets.
Once there was complete tables to download (for close-to everything shown at the site) but not any more - but the links are there. :(
(
[highlight]@ Boo_Ray:[/highlight] Check the home-page at nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/ (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/) - says it all :( )
But you WILL find the "positive excerpts" if you look for the "Table of Contents" in the next-to-last part of the article.
Both Mr Oops' and his/my friend's conclusion was that this was just another Gambler's Fallacy method ending in an average -2.7% units loss.
And I agree.
Best regards,
KFS
Interesting "pages".
1. "Matyika" is not a "system seller" !
2. He was in contact with Mr.Oops strictly thorough private e-mail and not per "forums".
3. "Matyika" was kind enough to reveal the "skeleton" of the strategy and not some "secrets".
4. He offered it for anybody to check and to try it absolutly free of any charge.
5. It is very surprising how different "roulette forums" answering this act. What is wrong ??????????
Is he a criminal ? Will he "deplete" your money ? Does he want to do any harm to you ??????
6. I have the full "strategy" from Matyika, of course free of charge and checked it. The results ?
Shortly said: phenomenal.
7.General advice for diverse "forums": if you see a strategy or tactic free of charge to play roulette than
try it first at least on 1000-2000 spins and write down the results properly.
As long as you did not check it than keep your bloody cakehole or windmill shot. To make sentences
about things without to try and to know what is it, is only stupid "busybody" habit.
kasco,
are you willing or able to share the full system so testing can be done.
there are many on here happy to test and will keep an open mind.
Yes, I think KFS is looking forward to test the system if it really can win over a million spins. It would be a breakthrough in roulette history.
kacso
I've been known to test a few systems and post videos showing good or bad. If this puppy is phenomenal, I'll say so. If it's a dog, I'll pet it and send it on its way.
Would you care to share? I mean the whole system, like Mr Chips did. Not a few hints here and there to keep an interest which would evaporate immediately should the whole system be revealed, but the whole "nine yards" as they say.
As Frazier said, "I'm listening."
TwoCatSam@cox.net.
If you want blind testing without my revealing the system, just say so.
Sam
@ kacso, is this the same one?
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7362&forum=Roulette_Message_Board (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7362&forum=Roulette_Message_Board)
Quote from: bliss on October 30, 2008, 03:47:57 PM
@ kacso, is this the same one?
nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7362&forum=Roulette_Message_Board (nolinks://nolinks.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7362&forum=Roulette_Message_Board)
Arteinvivo posted it :
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I have the english version but unfortunately i don't understand the system. I am not sure what you mean exactly.
Maybe someone would like to check it out :
1. Collect the spin-results as long as you have a number turned up 5 times.
2. Cross out every former number up to the first showing of this number.
3. Play this number "masse egale" 13 times, and continue to collect the spin results as above.
4. Should a second number turn up 5 times, play it 13 times too, cross out every # turned up former until only 1 number remains with 4 uncrossed sign and continue "1" to "4" as long as you lose 300 unit or win as described at "5"-"6".The Number-crossing makes it sure, you are always at an optimal "time-window" where the leading numbers will be only 2 to turn up five times. The average of 2 first fifer to be the "first sixer" is well over 75 % !
5.1 Should you win and the saldo is +19, than stop.
5.2 Should you win and the saldo is +20, than play the winning Nr. once with 1 unit and stop.
5.3 Should you win and the saldo is +21, than play the winning Nr. once with 2 unit and stop.
6. If saldo is more than +40 you play only with 20 chips @ 1 as long as you either win (and repeat the process) or lose the 20 units.
7. You should have 300 unit Bankroll.
8. Should you lose with the tactic 23 times in one row, (23 fives did not turn up in squence) then your Bankroll is off as you lost 23 x 13 = 299 chips.
9. Newer play "marathon" !!! If you want to play several partys in one "sit in" do not forget to cross out every number until all 5-s and 4-s are off !!
10. Never play more than 2 Numbers. If a third No. turns up 5 times at the same party, ignore it.We are interested only for the first and ev. 2-nd fives !!!!!!
==============
Is the same system.
JLP.-
Quote from: kompressor on October 29, 2008, 11:06:20 AM
we bet 1 unit on all numbers who appears 5 times in a 75 spins session...for 13 spins.....and we bet 2 chips for 1 spin on a winner
did I miss something ?
thanks
So is correct.
Hi kacso,
I don´t understand what he refers to the crossing of the numbers - for what??
¿Someone?
Cheers,
JLP.-
I think the strategy is here at the beginning of this topic. Just follow it step by step
without changes, everything is here what counts.
Otherwise I have no right to publish something without permission, but it is not necessary because
the most important description is there.
I tested it on my own 0-00 wheel with high speed version (ball must go round at least 12 times in one
direction and the wheel 12 times in the opposite direction) to avoid any "targeting".
The result: in every 200 bet (-200) 7 hits ( 7x35= +245). But, the test is short, only 7000 spins.
But as "matyika" pointing out "testing only on ca.2000000 spins is not enough, if you do a second test
on an other 2000000 spins, may be you will loose".
His criterion of winning: the strategy per saldo must be always in +.
An other criterion is mentioned by him: this is from Dr.Allan Wilson - you must be able to double up
your bankroll at least 5 times, eg. 300, 600, 1200, 2400 to 4800 to have a "winning-oriented strategy".
Up to now I "doubled" up 3 times, the fourth and fifth is still "waiting". Sometimes I have to work too,
roulette-testing is only for the evenings or nights.
Quote from: kacso on October 30, 2008, 05:41:33 PM
I think the strategy is here at the beginning of this topic. Just follow it step by step
without changes, everything is here what counts.
Otherwise I have no right to publish something without permission, but it is not necessary because
the most important description is there.
I tested it on my own 0-00 wheel with high speed version (ball must go round at least 12 times in one
direction and the wheel 12 times in the opposite direction) to avoid any "targeting".
The result: in every 200 bet (-200) 7 hits ( 7x35= +245). But, the test is short, only 7000 spins.
But as "matyika" pointing out "testing only on ca.2000000 spins is not enough, if you do a second test
on an other 2000000 spins, may be you will loose".
His criterion of winning: the strategy per saldo must be always in +.
An other criterion is mentioned by him: this is from Dr.Allan Wilson - you must be able to double up
your bankroll at least 5 times, eg. 300, 600, 1200, 2400 to 4800 to have a "winning-oriented strategy".
Up to now I "doubled" up 3 times, the fourth and fifth is still "waiting". Sometimes I have to work too,
roulette-testing is only for the evenings or nights.
Hi kacso,
Here is a table posted by Matyika that talks about the crossing of numbers, but still don´t understand it.
It says the hit of 1 of those 2 numbers (of 5x appearence) comes on spin 83 (80% of the time).
Can you explain this table and what we have to cross out??
Or someone else??
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There is a part of the analog-digital distribution of the 37 numbers.
Only the "segment" is here which is necessary to the disputed tactic.
Obs Obs Obs Obs Obs Obs
Spin# 1x 2x 3x 4x 5x 6x
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60 29 18 8 3
61 29 18 8 3 1****
62 30 18 8 3 1
63 30 18 9 3 1
64 30 19 9 3 1
65 30 19 9 4 1
66 30 19 9 4 1
67 31 20 10 4 1
68 31 20 10 4 1
69 31 20 10 4 1
70 31 21 11 4 1
71 31 21 12 4 1
72 31 21 12 5 1
73 31 21 12 5 1
74 32 22 12 5 1
75 32 22 12 5 2****
76 32 22 12 5 2
77 32 22 12 5 2
78 32 23 13 6 2
79 32 23 13 6 2
80 32 23 13 6 2
81 32 23 13 6 2
82 33 24 14 6 2
83 33 24 14 7 2 1***
Obs= Observed how many times
The minimal "discrepancies" are because of rounding.
I hope it will be clearly seen why the tactic works with the first
and second "00000". More than 80% these will make the first hit at
the 83rd coup.
It will clear, why to make the "crossouts".What to cross is now can
be seen at the messages above.
matyika------------------------
The result: in every 200 bet (-200) 7 hits ( 7x35= +245). But, the test is short, only 7000 spins.According to this every 200 bets = profit= 45 units.
So to double the bankroll we need to make bets for 1400 spins - I think this is a lot.you must be able to double up
your bankroll at least 5 times, eg. 300, 600, 1200, 2400 to 4800 to have a "winning-oriented strategy".According to your test how many spins you need to double the bankroll??
Cheers,
JLP.-
I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".
Quote from: kacso on October 30, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".
Thanks mate.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: kacso on October 30, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".
Please check here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/easy-tables-implemented (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/easy-tables-implemented)!-(create-tables-by-comma-separated-values)/
This will surely make your life easier.
Regards.
Hi All,
I have something to say about the Matyika-quote in the first post and kacso's post in Reply #11.
As it is not about the method per se, I posted it in the pit. :)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/uncensored-pit/regarding-matyika%27paul%27-and-mr-oops/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/uncensored-pit/regarding-matyika%27paul%27-and-mr-oops/)
You should read it before you take Matyika's words for ... "non-exaggerated".
/KFS
Quote from: kacso on October 30, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".
Hi kacso,
Can you also put an example test of it.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: JLP on October 31, 2008, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: kacso on October 30, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
I will make a complete table of an actual test-play , please be patient, keying the table into the form needs a lot of time and patience. I hope, it is not "patented".
Hi kacso,
Can you also put an example test of it.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi JLP,
check out the thread below, & sorry your not going to like it :-[
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/uncensored-pit/regarding-matyika%27paul%27-and-mr-oops/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/uncensored-pit/regarding-matyika%27paul%27-and-mr-oops/)
An excellent method for measurement is the Estat, for the even money chances.
When you make a test to gain the Estat you have to flat betting, use masse egale.
Its not valid for progressions,
The formula is easy and simpel to use.
To get your Estat you just divide the numbers of won units by the root from the placed bets.
If you can get a value of 2,5 then you have a great method.
If you succed to get 3,0 or above then you will not have any worrys any more.
Assume that you would succed to get a Estat of 6,0 then you would beat the game permanently.
Cheers LS
Has the X.Y.Z. been coded? I don't see one in the Downloads.
Ron.
Hello Ron, and all,
There's a misunderstanding here...
X-Y-Z is not a system to be coded. It was coded for statistics and the results are published at the Oops' site:
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet1.html) (Introduction)
nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet2.html (nolinks://xerxx.se/oops/tester/recnbet2.html) (Results tables, page 1/9)
Unfortunately there are no downloads any more (although the links are there :-\).
What "X-Y-Z" is:
The X is "How many spins to record"
The Y is "What kind of results to select from that record"
The Z is "How many spins to bet that selection"
For example: Record 24 (X) spins. Select all 2-times (Y) hitters. Bet for 36 (Z) spins.
OR: Record 36 (X) spins. Select all sleepers (Y). Bet for 12 (Z) spins.
The poor and inconsistent results indicate that it's just another Gambler's Fallacy method:
"Wait (X spins) for something to happen (Y selection), because then a hit is due (within Z spins)".
Regards,
KFS