I haven't tested this system over the long term yet, but i have been getting good results over the short term.
This system can be applied to streets of 3 numbers or double streets of 6 numbers.\\
I will start with Double streets as it is simpler.
I will refers to the streets as street A-F as follows:
A - 1 2 3 4 5 6
B - 7 8 9 10 11 12
C - 13 14 15 16 17 18
D - 19 20 21 22 23 24
E - 25 26 27 28 29 30
F - 31 32 33 34 35 36
We track the three double streets that have appeared most recently.
We must bet the Grand Martingale progression over a maximum of 4 spins on the 3 double streets that haven't appeared as follows:
1 1 1
3 3 3
7 7 7
15 15 15
If after this we lose, we take the hit and start over.
Example:
22
33
13 last 3 were C D and F. So bet 1 unit on A B and E
4 WIN! last 3 were A C and F. So bet 1 unit on B D and E
34 lose So bet 3 units on B D and E
3 lose So bet 7 units on B D and E
12 WIN! last 3 were A B and F. So bet 1 unit on C D and E
8 lose So bet 3 units on C D and E
14 WIN! last 3 were A B and C. So bet 1 unit on D E and F
14 lose So bet 3 unit on D E and F
33 Win!
Get it?
Applying this to 12 streets is easy!
We wait for 6 streets then bet the grand martingale on the 6 that haven't appeared as follows:
1 1 1 1 1 1
3 3 3 3 3 3
7 7 7 7 7 7
15 15 15 15 15 15
I bet these two side by side.
As long as the progression doesn't fail you would be winning 9 units per spin, even on the ones we lose.
Can anyone test this over the long term and see if it has the potential to be a grail!
ginger
gingermolloy,
Have a look at the following threads by Kon-Fu-Sed & use them as a reference:
- Multi-million spins statistics (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/multi-million-spins-tests/)
- It will not happen in your life-time! (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/it-will-not-happen-in-your-life-time!/)
Mathematically, you can expect [losing] sequences of 18 on EC (18 numbers) in 1M trials.
Just have that in mind before investing too much, bud! Good luck.
Regards,
m
Quote from: mistarlupo on January 26, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
gingermolloy,
Have a look at the following threads by Kon-Fu-Sed & use them as a reference:
- Multi-million spins statistics (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/multi-million-spins-tests/)
- It will not happen in your life-time! (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/it-will-not-happen-in-your-life-time!/)
Mathematically, you can expect [losing] sequences of 18 on EC (18 numbers) in 1M trials.
Just have that in mind before investing too much, bud! Good luck.
Regards,
m
Cheers,
The reason for tracking the previous spins and betting the ones that haven't appeared is to stop these losing streaks getting above 4 or so.
The stats will hold up if we bet the same 18 numbers every time, but in this system the numbers are always changing to keep up with where the binomial distribution says the ball will go next.
Got to be worth testing over 10000 spins to see what happens.
tested this system on double streets using these actuals: 80 spins!
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/spins-from-4-sessions-recorded-at-a-vegas-casino-in-march-2006/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/spins-from-4-sessions-recorded-at-a-vegas-casino-in-march-2006/)
went 100 up then hit a nightmare losing streak, recovered to even Stevens, then got nailed again.
Think this will work best as a short term hit and run system!
spun win/lose d'street bet on each d'streets bet up/down
11 2
5 1
5 1
2 1
34 6 bet 1 3 4 5 0
17 win 3 bet 1 2 4 5 3
8 win 2 bet 1 1 4 5 6
27 win 5 bet 1 1 4 6 9
24 win 4 bet 1 1 3 6 12
2 win 1 bet 1 2 3 6 15
13 win 3 bet 1 2 5 6 18
19 lose 4 bet 3 2 5 6
9 win 2 bet 1 1 5 6 24
2 win 1 bet 1 3 5 6 27
21 lose 4 bet 3 3 5 6
25 win 5 bet 1 2 3 6 33
11 win 2 bet 1 1 3 6 36
29 lose 5 bet 3 1 3 6
0 lose ------- bet 7 1 3 6
8 lose 2 bet 15 1 3 6
32 win 6 bet 1 1 3 4 48
32 lose 6 bet 3 1 3 4
34 lose 6 bet 7 1 3 4
32 lose 6 bet 15 1 3 4
19 win 4 bet 1 1 3 5 60
34 lose 6 bet 3 1 3 5
17 win 3 bet 1 1 2 5 66
1 win 1 bet 1 2 4 5 69
15 lose 3 bet 3 2 4 5
13 lose 3 bet 7 2 4 5
24 win 4 bet 1 2 5 6 78
9 win 2 bet 1 1 5 6 81
7 lose 2 bet 3 1 5 6
0 lose ------- bet 7 1 5 6
25 win 5 bet 1 1 3 6 90
0 lose ------- bet 3 1 3 6
18 win 3 bet 1 1 4 6 96
25 lose 5 bet 3 1 4 6
30 lose 5 bet 7 1 4 6
7 lose 2 bet 15 1 4 6
26 lose 5 bet 1 1 4 6 18
0 lose ------- bet 3 1 4 6
9 lose 2 bet 7 1 4 6
30 lose 5 bet 15 1 4 6 -60
14 lose 3 bet 1 1 4 6
30 lose 5 bet 3 1 4 6
19 win 4 bet 1 1 2 6 -51
19 lose 4 bet 3 1 2 6
20 lose 4 bet 7 1 2 6
15 lose 3 bet 15 1 2 6
36 win 6 bet 1 1 2 5 -39
11 win 2 bet 1 1 4 5 -36
0 lose ------- bet 3 1 4 5
26 win 5 bet 1 1 3 4 -30
20 win 4 bet 1 1 3 6 -27
30 lose 5 bet 3 1 3 6
3 win 1 bet 1 2 3 6 -21
31 win 6 bet 1 2 3 4 -18
23 win 4 bet 1 2 3 5 -15
27 win 5 bet 1 1 2 3 -12
0 lose ------- bet 3 1 2 3
32 lose 6 bet 7 1 2 3
10 win 2 bet 1 1 3 4 -3
18 win 3 bet 1 1 4 5 0
23 win 4 bet 1 1 5 6 3
3 win 1 bet 1 2 5 6 6
13 lose 3 bet 3 2 5 6
0 lose ------- bet 7 2 5 6
18 lose 3 bet 15 2 5 6
4 lose 1 bet 1 2 5 6 -72
26 win 5 bet 1 2 4 6 -69
1 lose 1 bet 3 2 4 6
8 win 2 bet 1 3 4 6 -63
16 win 3 bet 1 4 5 6 -60
5 lose 1 bet 3 4 5 6
26 win 5 bet 1 2 4 6 -54
23 win 4 bet 1 2 3 6 -51
20 lose 4 bet 3 2 3 6
3 lose 1 bet 7 2 3 6
13 win 3 -42
going to see if it is any better running the single streets system on the same numbers
Will keep you posted.
ginger
Ginger,its not the 9 units win,but 6 on any winning spin/6 street/....by the way my mate in Russia plays it like this; Hi waits last six streets/6-12 spins/then bets 6 streets in longer progression,when hits,continue same on the remaining 5 streets,then continue on remaining 4 streets.Stop when remains 3 streets,and start all over again,tracking last 6 streets.Amazing,you will find/if anybody willing testing it/how successful it is.Cheers,mates
Quote from: iboba on January 27, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
Hi waits last six streets/6-12 spins/then bets 6 streets in longer progression,when hits,continue same on the remaining 5 streets,then continue on remaining 4 streets.Stop when remains 3 streets,and start all over
Iboba, dear friend, a question:
Is this the 100% mechanical way he plays? I mean, no human extry/exit points based on his experience?
Regards.
Quote from: iboba on January 27, 2009, 05:03:33 PM
Ginger,its not the 9 units win,but 6 on any winning spin/6 street/....by the way my mate in Russia plays it like this; Hi waits last six streets/6-12 spins/then bets 6 streets in longer progression,when hits,continue same on the remaining 5 streets,then continue on remaining 4 streets.Stop when remains 3 streets,and start all over again,tracking last 6 streets.Amazing,you will find/if anybody willing testing it/how successful it is.Cheers,mates
Isn't there a thread about a system like this? I tested it a bit and posted my results. It does work quite well, if I remember correctly.
Cheers,
Matt
Performs better when doing this with 3 number streets.
Recovers from 144 down to 84 up.
Same numbers as before!
spun win/lose street bet on each streets bet up/down
11 4
5 2
5 2
2 1
34 12
17 6
8 3 bet 1 5 7 8 9 10 11
27 win 9 bet 1 4 5 7 8 10 11 6
24 win 8 bet 1 2 4 5 7 10 11 12
2 lose 1 bet 3 2 4 5 7 10 11
13 win 5 bet 1 2 4 7 10 11 12 24
19 win 7 bet 1 2 4 6 10 11 12 30
9 lose 3 bet 3 2 4 6 10 11 12
2 lose 1 bet 7 2 4 6 10 11 12
21 lose 7 bet 15 2 4 6 10 11 12
25 lose 9 bet 1 2 4 6 10 11 12 -126
11 win 4 bet 1 2 6 8 10 11 12 -120
29 win 10 bet 1 2 5 6 8 11 12 -114
0 lose ------ bet 3 2 5 6 8 11 12
8 lose 3 bet 7 2 5 6 8 11 12
32 win 11 bet 1 1 2 5 6 8 12 -96
32 lose 11 bet 3 1 2 5 6 8 12
34 win 12 bet 1 1 2 5 6 7 8 -84
32 lose 11 bet 3 1 2 5 6 7 8
19 win 7 bet 1 1 2 5 6 8 9 -72
34 lose 12 bet 3 1 2 5 6 8 9
17 win 6 bet 1 1 2 4 5 8 9 -60
1 win 1 bet 1 2 4 5 8 9 10 -54
15 win 5 bet 1 2 3 4 8 9 10 -48
13 lose 5 bet 3 2 3 4 8 9 10
24 win 8 bet 1 2 3 4 9 10 11 -36
9 win 3 bet 1 2 4 7 9 10 11 -30
7 lose 3 bet 3 2 4 7 9 10 11
0 lose ------ bet 7 2 4 7 9 10 11
25 win 9 bet 1 2 4 7 10 11 12 -12
0 lose ------ bet 3 2 4 7 10 11 12
18 lose 6 bet 7 2 4 7 10 11 12
25 lose 9 bet 15 2 4 7 10 11 12
30 win 10 bet 1 1 2 4 7 11 12 12
7 lose 3 bet 3 1 2 4 7 11 12
26 lose 9 bet 7 1 2 4 7 11 12
0 lose ------ bet 15 1 2 4 7 11 12
9 lose 3 bet 1 1 2 4 7 11 12 -144
30 lose 10 bet 3 1 2 4 7 11 12
14 lose 5 bet 7 1 2 4 7 11 12
30 lose 10 bet 15 1 2 4 7 11 12
19 win 7 bet 1 1 2 4 8 11 12 -120
19 lose 7 bet 3 1 2 4 8 11 12
20 lose 7 bet 7 1 2 4 8 11 12
15 lose 5 bet 15 1 2 4 8 11 12
36 win 12 bet 1 1 2 4 6 8 11 -96
11 win 4 bet 1 1 2 6 8 9 11 -90
0 lose ------ bet 3 1 2 6 8 9 11
26 win 9 bet 1 1 2 3 6 8 11 -78
20 lose 7 bet 3 1 2 3 6 8 11
30 lose 10 bet 7 1 2 3 6 8 11
3 win 1 bet 1 2 3 5 6 8 11 -60
31 win 11 bet 1 2 3 5 6 8 12 -54
23 win 8 bet 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 -48
27 lose 9 bet 3 2 3 4 5 6 12
0 lose ------ bet 7 2 3 4 5 6 12
32 lose 11 bet 15 2 3 4 5 6 12
10 win 4 bet 1 2 3 5 6 7 12 -24
18 win 6 bet 1 2 3 5 7 10 12 -18
23 lose 8 bet 3 2 3 5 7 10 12
3 lose 1 bet 7 2 3 5 7 10 12
13 win 5 bet 1 2 3 7 9 10 12 0
0 lose ------ bet 3 2 3 7 9 10 12
18 lose 6 bet 7 2 3 7 9 10 12
4 win 2 bet 1 3 7 9 10 11 12 18
26 win 9 bet 1 3 4 7 10 11 12 24
1 lose 1 bet 3 3 4 7 10 11 12
8 win 3 bet 1 4 7 8 10 11 12 36
16 lose 6 bet 3 4 7 8 10 11 12
5 lose 2 bet 7 4 7 8 10 11 12
26 lose 9 bet 15 4 7 8 10 11 12
23 win 8 bet 1 4 5 7 10 11 12 60
20 win 7 bet 1 1 4 5 10 11 12 66
3 win 1 bet 1 3 4 5 10 11 12 72
13 win 5 bet 1 3 4 6 10 11 12 78
12 win 4 84
will keep testing on the same actuals from here on and see how long it runs before running down,
If it does!
ginger
Guys!
Testing like this is taking so long!
Is there anyone who knows how to code this and test it over a lot of spins quickly???
cheers
ginger
VLS,Yes he plays it mechanical,with large progr. for a first hit,while 5th.and 4th.str.come very rapidly.Cheers,iboba
Quote from: iboba on January 29, 2009, 07:08:38 PM
VLS,Yes he plays it mechanical,with large progr. for a first hit,while 5th.and 4th.str.come very rapidly.Cheers,iboba
Good, if played mechanical, then it can be put into testing bot when ready. Thanks for the information :thumbsup:
Victor
Been doing some more testing on this, and I think it actually works better if we flat bet the double streets that have appeared.
Check out this data
See Attachment:
So the system is now, Track the last 3 double streets to appear and then flat bet 1 unit on each of them.
Not sure why it works better this way but it does.
By the way, the numbers were generated randomly at Random.org
ginger
Quote from: gingermolloy on February 17, 2009, 10:47:34 AM
Been doing some more testing on this, and I think it actually works better if we flat bet the double streets that havent appeared.
Check out this data
See Attachment:
So the system is now, Track the last 3 double streets to appear and then flat bet 1 unit on each of them.
Not sure why it works better this way but it does.
By the way, the numbers were generated randomly at Random.org
ginger
Hi Ginger, do you flatbet till all 3 have have been hit? or quit once 1 has been hit and retrack?
Thanks
Quote from: Rquest09 on February 17, 2009, 06:27:25 PM
Hi Ginger, do you flatbet till all 3 have have been hit? or quit once 1 has been hit and retrack?
Thanks
You flat bet the last 3 irrespective of everything
Eg,
Im going to write the spins down as double streets 1 - 6, so number 4 would be 1, 13 would be 3
so,
1
3
2 bet 1, 2 and 3
3 win bet 1, 2 and 3 +3
1 win bet 1, 2 and 3 +6
4 lose bet 1, 3 and 4 +3
6 lose bet 1, 4 and 6 0
4 win bet 1, 4 and 6 +3
5 lose bet 4, 5 and 6 -3
3 lose bet 3, 4 and 5 -6
2 lose bet 2, 3 and 5 -9
Hope this makes it clear
ginger
I get it now thanks.. not sure though flat bet is all that good maybe 1 up on a loss and 1 down on a win.. both examples below are same numbers i've done them in A/B/C/D/E/F because i find it easier than 1/2/3/4/5/6 for me anyway :)
Example Flat Bet:
[table=,]
START
F
F
E
D 0 BET D/E/F
F WIN +3 BET D/E/F
C LOSE 0 BET C/D/F
D WIN +3 BET C/D/F
0 LOSE -3 BET C/D/F
D WIN +3 BET C/D/F
B LOSE 0 BET B/C/D
A LOSE -3 BET A/B/D
F LOSE -6 BET A/B/F
A WIN -3 BET A/B/F
[/table]
Example 1 Up 1 Down:
[table=,]
START
F
F
E
D 0 BET D/E/F
F WIN +3 BET D/E/F 1U
C LOSE 0 BET C/D/F 2U
D WIN +6 BET C/D/F 1U
0 LOSE +3 BET C/D/F 2U
D WIN +9 BET C/D/F 1U
B LOSE +6 BET B/C/D 2U
A LOSE -0 BET A/B/D 3U
F LOSE -9 BET A/B/F 4U
A WIN +3 BET
[/table]
I see what your doing there, and I too started out with this system with a progression.
Although your progression is a lot more conservative than mine I still recon flat betting is the way forward on this one.
During my testing it seems to go in streaks (winning and losing), I have seen it lose 11 times on the trot. That is why the bankroll trend i posted is so up and down.
After 10 loses we would be betting 10 units on 3 lines (30units), and you would have lost a stagering 135 units getting there. If you were to run your 1 up 1 down progression, I would be tempted to play with a maximum at which you would go up to.
But as I said flat betting is the way forward with this one IMO.
Ginger