Hi Forum,
I am trying to develop a system based on Lo shu magic square. Google it you will get lot of information about this magic square.
The square is 3x3 magic square invented ~5000 yrs back by Chinese.
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
For roulette purpose, we will play the "end digits".
I am taking 6-1-8 group to explain the system.
OK here is the system:
Any end digits of 6/1/8 play all the #s ends with 6/1/8 for a max of 3 spins.
Wherever we win we will stop there and start tracking again.
I am not recommending any progression at this stage.
I have done few 100s of real spin data, it looks promissing.
Test with your spin data, and try to improve it if you can.
System works with other groups also viz, 3-5-7 or 2-9-4.
Here is an example from RANDOM.ORG #S
36---- signal
29---- bet here 6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
22
36---- Win
1---- signal
25
11----win
23
4
8-----signal
26-----win etc
21---- signal
2
11----win
2
13
5
4
10
28---- signal
18---- win
7
35
21----- signal
10
11---- win
16---- signal
34
0
9 loss
2
16---- signal
28--- win
24
26
22
21
15
33
23
6
25
6
12
18
1
13
Thanks
HS
Hello HS,
Are you chinese?
I am chinese but never heard of such a thing.
I will google it and find out more
HI
Do you only use the Horizontal numbers . or also the diagonal and vertical ones ?
.. by the way all three didgits count them either horizontal , vertical or diagonal equals 15 .. thats why its magic...
here are some other versions of the magical 3x3 square
@ see_jerek,
I am not chineese, I am from India. Ofcourse I am also your fan. ;)
@Breeze
There are about 80 versions of the same "Lo Shu". The one what I ve posted is "mother of all"
I am explaining the system with horizontal one. You can try other lines as well. I dont know about their consistency.
Test it & try to improve it
Hey guys,
This is saturn square and it is in hidden in the green carpet. Observe it and you will see it
JD
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This square is a tough one. Good luck cracking the code.
hahah Herb,
I love your jokes ... but its true, it is hidden in the green carpet.
Don't laugh, my square's pretty powerful.
Don't underestimate the power of my square.
Best of Luck :) (All in good fun.)
-Herb
@Daniel,
Yep this is saturn square.
@Herb ;D
See the attached image for the relationship of number groups. These groups works together at their end digits. Check with your data.
The nearest magic square to roulette is Sun with 36 numbers and for lottery the square of Venus with 49 numbers. All the magic squares (7) developed Cornelius Agrippa (1486-1535). The Saturn Square is the oldest one taken probably from Chinese I Ching and I Ching is the most accurate. If we could find the influence of I Ching on roulette we would probably have a holy grail. Saturn Square was used as occult protection but I don't know for whom? the casinos or the players? The grid is black and the numbers in it are red ink. Adding all numbers horizontally or vertically ad to 15. In numerology, what many beginners on this forum don't believe in it the number 15 would be 6 (1+5=6) what is devils number anyway. We are again home at the legendary 666...6
666 horizontally and 666 vertically. What a beautiful hell combination? Does it means cross from hell 666 ? The hell cross doesn't want to hold position! 6
Have a lucky 666
Hermes
Wow, what a great insight. Thanks
I like this idea hideseek. A good 11 number bet selection. If I was playing with the number square I would tweak it to play 18 or 19 instead of 11 numbers. In your previous example you picked the row '816' which gave 11 numbers to play. I was thinking of adding two numbers which would make an L shape instead of a row:
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
However this would only be used if the previous number was a 6 (or a number ending in 6). Therefore you benefit in both directions with the numbers ending in 2,7,8,1 and 6, which would give 18 or 19 numbers (depending on the trigger number). You could have a different number set if the previous number was different such as a 9 (or a number ending in 9). The following numbers would be used in the square:
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
For 5
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
and so on.
If the triggers are either 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 then it will be 18 numbers selected. If the triggers are 7,8 or 9 then it will be 19 numbers selected
With this technique you don't have to wait for a trigger as you just select the previous number spun and go from there which means more action. A good 18/19 number progression would work well with this.
If a zero comes out its treated as a loss
The following is how this would be played (Using the same random numbers as hideseek posted:
36---- signal - Number is 6
29---- bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
22---- Win signal - Number is 2
36---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 6
1---- bet here 4,14,24,34,8,18,28,3,13,23,33,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 1
25---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 5
11---- bet here 3,13,23,33,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,7,17,27,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 1
23---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
4
8---- Win signal - Number is 8
26---- bet here 4,14,24,34,8,18,28,3,13,23,33,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 6
21---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27 Win signal - Number is 1
2---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
11---- Win signal - Number is 1
2---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
13
5---- Win signal - Number is 5
4---- bet here 3,13,23,33,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,7,17,27,5,15,25,35
10
28
18
7---- Win signal - Number is 7
35---- bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35,3,13,23,33 Win signal - Number is 5
21---- bet here 3,13,23,33,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,7,17,27,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 1
10---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
11---- Win signal - Number is 1
16---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 6
34---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27
0
9
2---- Win signal - Number is 2
16---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 6
28---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27 Win signal - Number is 8
24---- bet here 4,14,24,34,8,18,28,3,13,23,33,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 4
26---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,3,13,23,33,8,18,28
22---- Win signal - Number is 2
21---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36
15
33
23
6---- Win signal - Number is 6
25---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27
6---- Win signal - Number is 6
12---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27 Win signal - Number is 2
18---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36
1
13
and so on....
I can see that Hideseek hits less than mine but his hits would pay out more as he uses less numbers. Mine is also more agressive as you're not waiting for the next trigger by choosing one row or column. I can play in a casino were I can put 10p on each number which would result in the starting bet of the progresstion being either £1.80 or £1.90. What would be the best progression on these values guys? By all means the orignal idea may prove to be more success than my tweak.
Just curious to see this run in a test enviroment. Here the most it misses is 4 spins, im sure this number would be greater if it got tested with a million spins but how greater is the question.
Could we make this happen?
Quote from: StevieG on March 19, 2009, 10:33:24 AM
I like this idea hideseek. A good 11 number bet selection. If I was playing with the number square I would tweak it to play 18 or 19 instead of 11 numbers. In your previous example you picked the row '816' which gave 11 numbers to play. I was thinking of adding two numbers which would make an L shape instead of a row:
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
However this would only be used if the previous number was a 6 (or a number ending in 6). Therefore you benefit in both directions with the numbers ending in 2,7,8,1 and 6, which would give 18 or 19 numbers (depending on the trigger number). You could have a different number set if the previous number was different such as a 9 (or a number ending in 9). The following numbers would be used in the square:
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
For 5
4 9 2
3 5 7
8 1 6
and so on.
If the triggers are either 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 then it will be 18 numbers selected. If the triggers are 7,8 or 9 then it will be 19 numbers selected
With this technique you don't have to wait for a trigger as you just select the previous number spun and go from there which means more action. A good 18/19 number progression would work well with this.
If a zero comes out its treated as a loss
The following is how this would be played (Using the same random numbers as hideseek posted:
36---- signal - Number is 6
29---- bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
22---- Win signal - Number is 2
36---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 6
1---- bet here 4,14,24,34,8,18,28,3,13,23,33,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 1
25---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 5
11---- bet here 3,13,23,33,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,7,17,27,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 1
23---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
4
8---- Win signal - Number is 8
26---- bet here 4,14,24,34,8,18,28,3,13,23,33,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 6
21---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27 Win signal - Number is 1
2---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
11---- Win signal - Number is 1
2---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
13
5---- Win signal - Number is 5
4---- bet here 3,13,23,33,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,7,17,27,5,15,25,35
10
28
18
7---- Win signal - Number is 7
35---- bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35,3,13,23,33 Win signal - Number is 5
21---- bet here 3,13,23,33,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,7,17,27,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 1
10---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35
11---- Win signal - Number is 1
16---- bet here 8,18,28,9,19,29,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,5,15,25,35 Win signal - Number is 6
34---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27
0
9
2---- Win signal - Number is 2
16---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 6
28---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27 Win signal - Number is 8
24---- bet here 4,14,24,34,8,18,28,3,13,23,33,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36 Win signal - Number is 4
26---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,3,13,23,33,8,18,28
22---- Win signal - Number is 2
21---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36
15
33
23
6---- Win signal - Number is 6
25---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27
6---- Win signal - Number is 6
12---- bet here 8,18,28,2,12,22,32,1,11,21,31,6,16,26,36,7,17,27 Win signal - Number is 2
18---- bet here 4,14,24,34,9,19,29,2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36
1
13
and so on....
I can see that Hideseek hits less than mine but his hits would pay out more as he uses less numbers. Mine is also more agressive as you're not waiting for the next trigger by choosing one row or column. I can play in a casino were I can put 10p on each number which would result in the starting bet of the progresstion being either £1.80 or £1.90. What would be the best progression on these values guys? By all means the orignal idea may prove to be more success than my tweak.
Just curious to see this run in a test enviroment. Here the most it misses is 4 spins, im sure this number would be greater if it got tested with a million spins but how greater is the question.
Could we make this happen?
If you take that into w/l for every bet i believe it comes out like this..
nolinkswwlnolinkswlwlllnolinkswwllnolinkswwlllnolinks
Lanky's 6 point as your dealing with 18 numbers might be a good idea???
K1
Thanks for the suport Klinker
I make the w/l the following
lWWWWWllWWWlWllWllllWWWlWWlllWWWWlWllllWlWWlll
I will look into the 6 point divsor plan!
Quote from: StevieG on March 19, 2009, 12:00:38 PM
Thanks for the suport Klinker
I make the w/l the following
lWWWWWllWWWlWllWllllWWWlWWlllWWWWlWllllWlWWlll
I will look into the 6 point divsor plan!
Ahhh i got confussed..
36---- signal - Number is 6
29---- bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28 <<<i thought here you place the bet
22---- Win signal - Number is 2 <<<and here you win spin after
If the signal is on 36 then you place the bet on 36 not on 29 am i right?
K1
36 comes out so you bet:
2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
29 then comes out so it's a lost bet
bet the same numbers again
22 comes out so its a win. Next signal is 2 so you bet all the "2" numbers.
Hope that clears it up Klinker.
Quote from: StevieG on March 19, 2009, 04:19:14 PM
36 comes out so you bet:
2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
29 then comes out so it's a lost bet
bet the same numbers again
22 comes out so its a win. Next signal is 2 so you bet all the "2" numbers.
Hope that clears it up Klinker.
Yeah sure mate clears it up :thumbsup:
we all have different ways of doing things i would have gone,
36---- signal - Number is 6-- bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
29---- loss --bet here 2,12,22,32,7,17,27,6,16,26,36,1,11,21,31,8,18,28
22---- Win signal - Number is 2
Will do some tests anyway :)
@StevieG
Interesting to see many wins. But I am not fan of any progression for this.
@Klinker
Stevie corrected my mistake.
I tried it with tweaked strategy. You get 3 combinations of 11 numbers horizontally and 3 vertically. When spin number triggers a combination bet it for 3 spins. You have to play 2 different games - one vertical another horizontal. I will try to adjust it to I Ching system. See below:
4-9-2 4,14,24,34/9,19,29/2,12,22,32 horizontal formation, 3 columns
3-5-7 3,13,23......
8-1-6 8,18,28......
4
14
24
34
-
3
13
23
33
-
8
18
28 vertical formation, 3 columns
Hermes
The more I think about this the more I feel as though its random Vs random, so therefore I am going to move away from the idea. I wish you all the luck in the world with this one Hideseek (and anybody else who uses it).
We could use Atila progression 9 numbers for this system, couldn't we?
Hermes
I prefer to use less #s.
For ex:
6-1------- if 6 or 1 comes play end digits of 6 & 1 for 3 spins. Stop at win. Similarly you can play other end digits also.
8-3
4-9
7-2
0-5
I played this sistem on king casino, bet 10centx18 numbers
only when 36 come I start playing,and win.
From 20euro to 40 euro and withdraw ;D
RNG :)
We should take a close look on that one I got a good results.
Hermes
Magic square ;D
This is complete nonsense.
I have a magic star that works much better :biggrin:
Thank you for sharing your system.
I played several online sites which contain the zero wheel and other sites with zero & double zero wheels. In both games I beat the casinos.
Following hideseek method flat bets and playing only the 8,1,6 approach, i was able to win about 10 games while one game took me down -33 chips.
Even if you play flat bets it doesn't take long to recover in this game.
Thank you again,
John
Kingspin, tell me more about the magic stars? Comes it from the Kimo Li concept?
I play Lo SHU like dozens and columns. Mark down horizontal rows (3 dozens) and vertical columns (3 columns). Look my previous post for that. When one shows up I play it for 3 spins. Plenty of triggers. But with some smart progression it would be a huge winner.
The best results I got when marked down 18 spins and then played the best from the 6 for the next 18 spins.
Cheers Hermes
hermes
Quote from: hermes link=topic=6923. msg118681#msg118681 date=1282267836
Kingspin, tell me more about the magic stars? Comes it from the Kimo Li concept?
I play Lo SHU like dozens and columns. Mark down horizontal rows (3 dozens) and vertical columns (3 columns). Look my previous post for that. When one shows up I play it for 3 spins. Plenty of triggers. But with some smart progression it would be a huge winner.
The best results I got when marked down 18 spins and then played the best from the 6 for the next 18 spins.
Cheers Hermes
you are light years ahead. but for some of us, could you explain a bit further how you do you play for 3 spins and how did you marke down 18 spins and then played the best from the 6 for the next 18 spins.
catalyst
Hi Hermes,
The cube has nothing to do with Kimo Li's conceps but with Numeris's based on the dispsiton of the layout numbers
I believe the most important number there is 5 and the other MOST important which is missing is 0.
In the end everything tends to balance. The perfect balance is 0.
Chance on his way to balance (0) pass along all the other numbers.
Look forward at the sums you need to perform among numbers to achieve balance or what is the same to produce number 0.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Carpanta you didn't catch it. I asked Kingspin about his magic stars system not a cube. The Lo Shu was here 3,000 years before Numeris. Numeris tried to decode it because it has universal character.
I agree with you about the zero! It is the most important number in mathematics. The #5 is the planet Earth, therefore so important. When the zero is missing than all the numbers together must equal zero and come into balance like we have to go home (zero)where we came from even many of us don't like the idea.
Hermes
Ok, fine Hermes. I know Numeris is not so old. Thanks for reminding it to me.
Sorry for the confusion.
Carlos.
You didn't offended me only confused, everything is OK. Do you have some good idea on Lo Shu?
Also Carlos (Hermes)