Roy's estate planned to republish the book "how to win at roulette and blackjack" but apparently the project has been shelved. I've heard about his roulette system but have never seen it. Does anyone have it, and if so is it worth being curious about?
nolinks://nolinks.roywarddickson.com/gambling.html (nolinks://nolinks.roywarddickson.com/gambling.html)
I have had this stashed for some years
Roy Ward Dickson said a playable hot number is...
a. One that has not come up for at least thirty consecutive spins. ie. 30 spins or more never less.
b. One that after such an "establishing period of absence" finally came up.
c. And which did so twice more during the next 19 spins or less, subject to the special exceptions below.
That is three shows in 20 spins or less after an absence of 30 spins or more.
SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
A number is NOT playable if it comes up three times in a row.
A number is NOT playable if the DIFFERENCE in the 'gap' between the first-and-second appearance and the 'gap' between the second-and-third appearances consists of more than six.
Say the qualifying numbers' initial two shows were on the first and seventh spins, that is a 'gap' of 6 and the third qualifying show came up on the 19th spin, that is a 'gap' of 12 spins, then the DIFFERENCE in the 'gaps' of 6 & 12 = 6. The number is playable!
Again, suppose the initial two shows are on the first and third spins, that is a 'gap' of 2 and the third show is on the twelveth spin, that is a 'gap' of 9, so the DIFFERENCE in the'gaps' of 2 & 9 = 7. The number is unplayable!
Another example, suppose the initial two shows are on the first and tenth spins, that is a 'gap' of 9 and the third show is on the twentieth spin, that is a 'gap' of 10, so the DIFFERENCE in the'gaps' of 9 & 10 = 1. Playable!
BETTING STRATEGY.
Back a playable qualifying number for UP TO 9 spins NOT counting spins where zero shows.
Of course zero itself can qualify to be playable.
Bet one unit on the first to the sixth playable spin and two units on the seventh to the ninth playable spin.
If the string of nine bets all fail to achieve a win stop betting that number immediately.
Stop backing that number immediately a bet wins, that is the hot number shows for the fourth time.
As soon as one such playable hot number bet has won stop that playing session at that wheel, even if it was your first bet. No more bets that day at that wheel.
Should three successive playable strings each of nine bets all lose stop that playing session at that wheel.
If you have lost two strings of nine bets and are playing a third when a second number qualifies as playable DON'T commence betting on it. Either you win your currently active string and walk or you walk away after losing three consecutive strings of nine anyway.
Hi Geoff,
Thanks a lot for posting the system, I knew someone would have it. :) I remember someone on VIP was a big fan, can't remember his handle but his signature was something like "RWD - the only winning system" or something like that...
So I assume you've not played it yourself?
Guys...
"stop that playing session at that wheel." Are we to assume the wheel will "remember" we won and work like the devil >:D to beat us.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 01, 2009, 07:31:37 PM
Guys...
"stop that playing session at that wheel." Are we to assume the wheel will "remember" we won and work like the devil >:D to beat us.
Sam
Just you Sam just you >:D you an angel in disguise :D
Sam,
I think a lot of systems are based on that idea, and also that the wheel will "remember" we lost and work like an angel to help us. ;D
Now read this quote carefully:
"As soon as one such playable hot number bet has won stop that playing session at that wheel, even if it was your first bet. No more bets that day at that wheel."
Well, Gents, I got a problem with that........
If the wheel has no memory in relation to numbers, streets, dozens and the like, what are we to make of this?
The brains tell us that if dozen one has slept for ten spins it is just as likely to sleep one more as it is to hit because the wheel cannot remember that dozen one has slept for ten spins and is due. Yet if we win we must scurry quickly from the casino because the wheel wants to get even with us.
AND........
What if I left and my old friend, Coussin Gonflable, sat down to play the same system? Surely he is doomed to failure, as I would have been had I stayed. Or does the wheel cut him some slack as he is new?
No matter how thin you make your pancake, it still has two sides.
Sam
Instead of looking to whats NOT happening on the Carpet. Look at the Carpet and see what happens. Then Bet.
Cheers
/Compa
I suppose there are two ways of looking at it. If the premise "the wheel has no memory" is correct (and the mathematics and all available evidence does point to that), then the vast majority of systems are doomed to failure, because they are built on quicksand. But perhaps if you look at things differently, not in terms of the wheel having a memory, but at the way random numbers behave. It certainly is true that numbers do not arrive on cue when they are due (according to the law of averages), ie; they do not hit once every 37 spins. This means they must arrive in clusters (in order to maintain the long-term average). I think systems like this are designed to try and capitalize on that fact. But of course, you never really know when a cluster is beginning, all you can do is guess. ::) Isn't this the basis of many systems on the forum, including Victor's LW method?
Tangram
I have posed the question When is a wheel a new wheel? I feel four hours should be sufficient.
Yes the Lw method does try to determine the way the table is playing. And I think a lot of systems do the same.
R. D. Ellison once said if you won on the 3qA to leave the casino at once. He later modified his thinking to say there was actually no reason for this; if you were winning, sit tight.
It's a good discussion and good food for thought.
Does anyone ever feel that some days the wheel just hates you? In literature, this is called "personification"......giving the wheel the ability to hate as we humans do. I wonder......
Sam
I like your Reflections Sam. You are a true Philosopher. 8)
Cheers
/Compa
Quote from: TwoCatSamWhen is a wheel a new wheel? I feel four hours should be sufficient.
Not sure I understand the question Sam. When it hasn't been played yet? or when it has been played for four hours? or do you mean we have four hours to answer the question? :)
Quote from: TwoCatSamDoes anyone ever feel that some days the wheel just hates you?
Yes, but I try not to hate it back. There's no place for emotion at the tables. I bottle up my anger and kick the furniture when I get home.
Tangram
I mean....
You play the wheel and it is dead set against you. How long before it turns around and gives you a fair shot. I usually wait at least four hours. Or if I win, I wait four hours to play again.
Thanks, /Compa.
Sam
I don't think in terms of time. If you eat a meal or leave the building then you can go back. I'd pick a different table, though.
RWD is a good basis for backing the lead numbers. A few alterations here and there.
Hi RWD followers, maybe even TwoScatSam?
Tangram, I was the VIP member who advocated the RWD method and my sig was "RWD - the only winning method, long term".
Glad to see your creation of this area.
In spite of my handle here, I still only play the RWD method and looking at my recent records, I've won 10 sessions and lost 6, which is pretty amazing as I should have lost 20 sessions for that number of wins on average. (win 1 lose 2).
I usually monitor two tables and start betting on the first one where a hot number becomes a candidate.
If I win I'll stop betting for the night.
If I lose, I'll continue to monitor that table and if (usually when) two more hot numbers show themselves eventually, I'll bet as per the RWD method and stop on a win or until both numbers fail.
For a lot of people this is boring, but for me making a profit is never boring.
I was very interested to hear of a possible re-publication, although I've got the book already, but it should be of interest to a wider audience.
Speaking of interest, you might like to take a look at his fascinating scanned original "Monte Carlo Anecdotes...". You can read it online or download a PDF.
nolinks://openlibrary.org/b/OL7062227M/Monte-Carlo-anecdotes-and-systems-of-play (nolinks://openlibrary.org/b/OL7062227M/Monte-Carlo-anecdotes-and-systems-of-play)
Cheers,
Jim
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 01, 2009, 07:31:37 PM
Guys...
"stop that playing session at that wheel." Are we to assume the wheel will "remember" we won and work like the devil >:D to beat us.
Sam
Zero
I assume you were referring to that post above. That was a logical question. If you must leave the wheel after winning, are you not assuming the wheel will "remember"? It's OK to go the neighboring wheel as it has no beef with you. Is that it?
Again I pose the question which no one ever tackles: What if you just won with this system at table 2 and had walked away. I just sat down to play the system. Am I doomed to lose because you walked away? What if you turned around and came back and we both played? Are we then both doomed? What if I'm not doomed? Would you then win? What if I had NOT sat down and you just played on, would you be doomed or win?
These I call "sweep under the rug questions". We sweep them under the rug and hope we don't trip over them, but we always do.
Zero, I have asked this question of many systems, not just this one.
Sam
Guy's, I have played my slightly modified version of RWD Hot Numbers since the book was first released and I have half a dozen copies of it in my library.
You are all correct of course about the walking away on a win bit, it doesn't make sense and it is not profitable to do so.
I have logged hundreds of thousands of real spins into a specially written program to refine RWD's rules slightly and to fine tune my money management and betting strategy to maximise profit and my modified strategy has stayed in profit for over 30 years.
BUT HERE IS THE REAL QUESTION...WHY? I have struggled to come up with a reason why it works on wheels all around the world, single and double zero doesn't matter? About the only thing I am convinced about is that it needs a real live croupier to work. Any sensible suggestions welcomed.
Hi Jim,
I'm glad you posted, I remember the name now... ;) and nice to hear you're still winning. The RWD web site has been there for some time. I got in touch with them well over a year ago and in a recent email they told me they've put on hold the project to republish the book. But thanks to Geoff posting the rules anyone interested can give the system a try.
Thanks for posting the link to the online book, as you say - fascinating stuff.
@ Sam,
If you can continue to qualify a table then it makes no sense to walk away (either if you're winning or losing), you just continue to track until fresh qualifying conditions arise. In actual fact you're not really walking away at all, at least not if you plan to ever play in a casino again. What's the difference between walking away and coming back the next day, and staying at the same table all day? it's all the same. Same goes for anyone playing in your place. As long as the start and exit rules are followed then it shouldn't make any difference.
Quote from: macca37I have struggled to come up with a reason why it works on wheels all around the world, single and double zero doesn't matter? About the only thing I am convinced about is that it needs a real live croupier to work. Any sensible suggestions welcomed.
macca37, so have you done much testing on RNG's? it could be that the system exploits some kind of dealer signature.
Quote from: Tangram on April 05, 2009, 08:34:50 AM
@ Sam,
If you can continue to qualify a table then it makes no sense to walk away (either if you're winning or losing), you just continue to track until fresh qualifying conditions arise. In actual fact you're not really walking away at all, at least not if you plan to ever play in a casino again. What's the difference between walking away and coming back the next day, and staying at the same table all day? it's all the same. Same goes for anyone playing in your place. As long as the start and exit rules are followed then it shouldn't make any difference.
Tangram
I wholeheartedly agree!
Sam
Macca, glad to hear that you are still profiting from the RWD method and great that you have modified it for even greater profitability.
Two and Tangram, I think RWD's insistence on leaving the table after a win is due to at least two valid reasons.
1. It is psychologically "damaging" to start to give back your immediate winnings trying to win more.
2. The sheer time it takes to get a "hot" number (from 30 minutes to 3 hours+) means another lengthy wait, which would be tiring.
3. RWD makes reference (I think) to the law of averages and if you look at Hamburg or other results over a night, you won't often see more than 1 hot number "coming in" on the same table. (You may remember from VIP - I know Macca does - that getting 2 hot numbers to play AND WIN at the same time on the same wheel is very rare - once in 2 years for both of us).
4. Dealers subconsciously avoid or go for your hot number depending on their mood, wakefulness, attention, desire to hit or avoid an area etc. or consciously do all or none of the above.
Wheels do not have memory, but "something" makes the law of averages work, so a number that has been absent for a time is "due" whether you like that terminology or not.
RWD's method is the full package - bet selection, strategy, money management, profit and loss management and gaining a psychological edge.
I may have brain-washed myself, but I can't comfortably play anything else.
Having said that, here are some anomalies I've noticed;
The 7th spin is the most frequently hit (as per RWD) and where it does not hit, it is often a neighbour that does.
If the number does NOT hit during the required 9 spins, it often hits on the 13th spin! (Don't ask!)
The first spin (and therefore bet) after a hot number has been identified, often hits a neighbour and in fact, by betting neigbour bets for the first 6 spins only, a quicker profit can be made, though at a greater initial expense.
Also, as a part of this scenario, the neighbour seems to hit more often on the 1st spin, so doubling the bet on the 1st spin makes sense.
RWD maintained that one should not bet more than 9 times on a number (unless 0 has appeared) but annoyingly, the hot number often seems to hit on the 10th spin (after I have walked away from the table).
Cheers,
Jim
Quote from: zeroandtheneighbours on April 05, 2009, 05:10:50 PM
RWD maintained that one should not bet more than 9 times on a number (unless 0 has appeared) but annoyingly, the hot number often seems to hit on the 10th spin (after I have walked away from the table).
Cheers,
Jim
This happens all too readily to me too.Lol.
Nice post Zero thank you
TSK
zero
I agree with two of your points: It is very demoralizing to loose what you just won. Been there; done that. And, it does get tiring and the mind wanders. Those two reasons are good ones for leaving the whole casino and taking a walk while your dog checks her pee mail.
Secondly, numbers appear because of "statistical pressure" to do so.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 04, 2009, 11:22:05 AM
Zero
I assume you were referring to that post above. That was a logical question. If you must leave the wheel after winning, are you not assuming the wheel will "remember"? It's OK to go the neighboring wheel as it has no beef with you. Is that it?
Again I pose the question which no one ever tackles: What if you just won with this system at table 2 and had walked away. I just sat down to play the system. Am I doomed to lose because you walked away? What if you turned around and came back and we both played? Are we then both doomed? What if I'm not doomed? Would you then win? What if I had NOT sat down and you just played on, would you be doomed or win?
These I call "sweep under the rug questions". We sweep them under the rug and hope we don't trip over them, but we always do.
Zero, I have asked this question of many systems, not just this one.
Sam
Two, I think we're all doomed (to paraphrase Fraser, from "Dad's Army", BBC TV) except for me and Macca...
Spider's Kiss, thanks for the compliment - and to refer back to the walking away syndrome, it seems to happen to everyone I speak to at my local casino and none of them play RWD.
Cheers,
Jim
Tangram, Jim & Co
I have run enough trials on Random Generated numbers to know RWD does not work so yes it must be associated with "dealer signature" BUT HOW? WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? & WHY?
Your anomalies are interesting! One of my mods is to extend the betting sequence out to exactly 13 spins. The neighbours showing still frustrates the hell out of me even after all these years because I cannot pinpoint a profitable way to play them.
I do think I can control the negative pyshological effect of giving (loaning) back winnings but even after all this time there is no feeling to compare to leaning over the table or calling the croupier to place your first and one and only bet straight up on a "hot" number and have it come up on the very first spin. Better than sex? Maybe not but close.
Macca and all,
I agree, it's a great feeling to call a bet on a single number, or to be the only player at the table, and have it hit straight away.
Recently I had an audience (not my preference obviously, but a small crowd gathered after I started playing) and I was the only player on the table. The hot number was 5 and the dealer spun the ball. (this was the third spin).
It was one of those times when the ball went round the wheel about 5 spins longer than the usual 10-12.
I "knew" then that it was going to fall into the 5 slot and it did.
A sharp intake of breath from the onlookers added to my joy of winning.
The dealers know me after all these years and they think I win all the time, which of course I don't.
My profitable way of winning with the hot number and neighbours is as follows;
Select the hot number as per RWD.
1st spin bet the hot number and the neighbours (2 each side) by 2 units each.
Win, walk away.
Lose, continue betting the hot number and the neighbours by 1 unit each for the next 5 spins.
Win on any one and walk away.
I know that winning on the 6th spin just gets your money back, but it's better than losing it.
Total cost per session, 35 units. Per-session profit ranges from +70 (1st spin win) to +5 (5th spin win).
As stated, the hot number or it's neighbours hits on the first spin quite often (5 out of 22 sessions on average) and 13 out of 22 win, including these 1st spin wins, on average.
These results come from a limted set of data as you can see, so a lot more live sessions with hot numbers qualifying need to be recorded.
Macca, if you don't mind the public forum, would you share your improved RDW methodology?
Cheers,
Jim
Jim
Very sorry but I am not prepared to share my RWD mods.
I have included them in my book which may or may not be published by my Grandson after my death.
It takes quite a few hours but the info is available to everyone to test and refine the RWD rules and develop their own mods.
Sorry Jim hope you will understand
Mike.
Thanks Mike, I do understand of course. Live long and prosper!
When you state "info is available to everyone to test" do you mean from data recorded or from the RWD book text?
Your possibly-to-be-published book sounds tantalizing.
If your Grandson decides to publish, ask him, before you go, to let me know:-)
Cheers,
Jim
I was referring to live spins including those from Hamburg.
Plus spreadsheet programs developed by Arteinvivo, minor mods required.
Then it's just lots of work testing each variable independently and as combinations.
Yes my Grandson is an economist and marketer so if he does decide to publish rather than use the info himself I have no doubt you will all hear about it before the release.
Keep winning
Mike.