my method of playing

[John1234]

I have a method of play that has been successful. I would imagine that somebody out there has thought of this way of playing and probably failed with it. But I seem to be having success and I think that the success lies within the rules that I follow.

In the next 1-2 days I am going to post a method of play that has been working for me. I had a plan to wait 2 months before going to a casino but I had to go to sign my sister into one of my comp rooms, so I broke down and played some baccarat. I made about $1070.00. I do not have time to post it now because it is very late and I have to wake up early tomorrow morning. I figured that I would start to set the post up now.

My original plan was to do a lot of testing and post it in July if it held up. But I have a few problems. My first problem is that I ran out of live results and many of the results that I was getting off of the internet seemed odd. As a result of running out of live tests I began testing live on Dublin Bet which is very time consuming. I am starting my summer job soon so I do not have enough time to test it.

I do all of my testing by hand in a notebook. Tomorrow night, or I guess tonight since it is 2:15am I am going to explain my method of play and rewrite a few live tests and post them. I will show how I play and how it has been successful for me. *The most important thing that you must realize is that even though I have done a lot of testing, I have not done enough. I have not played around with the method of play enough. There are a few holes that I need to fix and maybe some of you will have good ideas and better ideas than me. I am not the most creative person when it comes to gambling so it is always great to hear    what other people have to say. I will explain the aspect of play that I want to reevaluate in more depth tomorrow.

Here is a preview of the method of play that I am using.

My base bet is always $20.

The first key component is being realistic about your goals:
I go into each session with the mentality that I have to be realistic about my goals. You must realize that this method is not going to get you rich fast. Being realistic leaves you less vulnerable to the casino. When you make a certain profit you must stop. When you lose a certain amount you must stop and reevaluate. Do not go into the game hoping to kill the casino because no method of play will ever hold up 100% of the time (unless someone out there knows something that I do not know).

The next key component is money management which is probably the most important aspect.

This is what I am still working on with this method of play. I am not sure if I like the progression. My goal is to not get too deep into the progression..I want to avoid being wiped out at all cost. This means that sometimes you may have to stop and just wait it out then get back at it. Next time I play this method I am going to sit down with about $1,200.00 maybe $1,400. But this is one aspect of the method that I am going to put a lot of focus on.

My goal is to make about 5.5-6 units each shoe. So if I am betting at the base unit of $20 then I should make around 110 to 120. In testing I have consistently produced this goal. I did have one odd session where I only finished plus one unit but I don't think I played the shoe right. I have to go back and look at the shoe again.  Many times I reached this goal a little more than half-way through the shoe, but I stopped playing. As soon as I reach my goal of 5.5-6 units which would be $110 to $120 I stop. I do not care how great the session has been. I stop to limit my exposure to the casino because I know that if I am not careful then the casino will eat my winnings and my bankroll.

I still have yet to figure out a good stop-loss limit, whatever you call that. I have not run into the problem of losing that often but I know that it is bound to happen soon so I will figure that out within the next few days.

The next key component to my method is how often I bet.

I do not constantly bet. Yet again the goal is to decrease the exposure to the casino. So I bet when the time is right.



Here is one more important fact to note:

When I post the method that I play, I sometimes make a bet that is different from what I am supposed to do. That is because I see an opportunity within the play and I usually end up being correct. I will try my best to describe the what I did if I happen to post a shoe where I made a sudden change the style of betting.



When I play I play for 5 sessions. The day that I made over $1000.00 I played for 8 sessions and I did not follow my rules exactly like I should have. That took a long time to do and I will probably never do that again. So my goal is to walk away with between $400-$500 dollars after 5 shoes (sessions).

This is a very simple way to play and so far I have not had many large drawdowns. For not putting much through into the progression, I think that the progression has been holding up pretty well.
Also...someone may have come up with a style of play like this. And it probably didn't work. If anybody out there knows of a system that is exactly like this then please provide your input on how to make it successful.


Sorry if I do not make sense at times, I am half asleep...I just wanted to get started. I am also sorry for not explaining much about how I play.
I will explain the method soon. I will also post one of my best shoes, one of my hardest shoes, and a few more examples. I will also post the progression and I will restate the rules that I follow for this type of play.


-John

[Natural9]

Look under bac resultws i have posted 50 shoes for you and others who might want to test something tho 50 is still a small sample

[John1234]

Look under bac resultws I have posted 50 shoes for you and others who might want to test something tho 50 is still a small sample

Thank you very much. Every shoe helps

[John1234]

I will be posting my method soon, but I want to present an idea first.

This idea deals with perfection:

My method of play is not flawless. Even though I have yet to lose with it, I know that it will lose at some point. However, When it loses I need to make sure that I use enough discipline to stop and accept the loss and go back at it again. But where do I go from there? What happens when I lose more than one time. When happens if I suffer multiple losses in a row? Do I stop and look for something better? Do I continue to seek perfection? OR do I hang on to what I am comfortable with and try to improve the system. I have noticed that so many people seek perfection. They have a system that produces a consistent profit and then all of the sudden the system crashes. This results in the person moving on in search of something better. But my question is, if you have something that you are comfortable playing and it produces a consistent profit most of the time, then why ditch the system? Rather then completely leaving the system behind maybe it is a better choice to improve it.

We have to face reality and realize that we are gambling. We we sit at a table we are taking a chance. With all of life comes chance. You take a chance walking down the street...You even take a chance mopping your floor. On the radio today I heard some lady saying that her finger came off while mopping!! There could possibly be a grail out there for baccarat and roulette, I am not going to make an argument against that or for it. Yet what I do know is that I will never be capable of producing a grail. So what I have come to realize is that if we always seek perfection then we may never get anywhere. We only stress ourselves out more. If we ever do find a perfect system then that is great but life is short, so how long will you really get to enjoy it? You can wake up one morning feeling great and drop dead the next morning. It happens all of the time. Is the search for perfection really worth the stress? In my opinion I would much rather seek improvement than deal with the stress of perfection in the world of gambling.

Here is an example.

I like to exercise. That is what I am most passionate about. I have been lifting seriously for about 3 years. I go into the gym and see people everyday who are looking to get stronger, the hard way just like me. Then I see the occasional person who is so big that you feel sick looking at them. This person has taken the easy way out by taking steroids...they even admit to it. I have come across many people like this.  So what is different between me and the person who takes steroids? Well I am much smaller and they could obviously crush me in a second. Maybe they can make some money by getting in magazines and so on. But here is another difference...While they seek perfection I seek improvement. They stress themselves out so much that they go to such  extremes and use steroids. I take the path of making small gains with no stress.
So how does this pay off? Well I am happy. The person on steroids happiness is only an illusion that is injected through a needle. Better yet, I am in great health, the steroid perfection maniac  may not be in the best health. There are so many bad side effects that come out of steroids, if you do not believe me then just watch a documentary.

I would much rather be in good health and see results over time, rather then jeopardizing my life and being a maniac. I think the same is true with gambling. While seeking perfection is good to a point, I think it can easily be be abused. Just like the guy who goes on steriods and says that he will only use the steroids for a short period. Next thing you know the manic is hooked....


So when I present the method that I use, keep in mind that I am not looking to develop a grail. I am not looking to have a perfect system. I am looking for improvement. I do not care if the improvement lasts for 1 day or 50 years. What I do care is that I learn something, that the method of play becomes stronger, and that I do not become an obsessive maniac.

Happiness does not come from perfection because when things seem perfect they will crumble. That is how the universe works. Happiness comes from being comfortable with what you have and seeking out opportunity to improve what you have through Less stressful avenues.

I always seem to have success in what I do. This is because I am determined and I do not stress myself to reach perfection. I always seem to improve but I improve within realistic boundaries. I have seen people live what they consider a perfect life and drop dead (not so perfect). Life can be interrupted by a tradgy that changes everything.  I know this because it happened to my aunt. I got very close to her before she died and she taught me so much about life. What she taught me has carried over not only into everything that I do but also my gambling.

I just presented my view on things and I feel as though I need to share this so you understand the way I think before I share my method of play.

I hope this all made sense, it is hard for me to express what I am thinking through writing.


I will be posting the method that I use sometime before tomorrow morning.

[Trung]

Thanks John, good post

[John1234]

Thanks John, good post

haha thanks

[John1234]

I am about to post the method that I use for playing. Within the next few posts will:

1.) Explain the rules that I follow again
2.) Explain the Progression
3.) Explain the way of playing
4.) I will provide 3 shoes that I played.
-The first live shoe will be a basic shoe that this style of play has done well on.
-The second live shoe will be my easiest shoe.
-The third shoe will be my hardest shoe which happened to be from a random number generator from Dublin Bet
5.) I will then list some areas of the method that I think are weak

As I stated before, I did have success with this method of play but I may not have success the next time I play it. I have not done nearly enough testing...I am posting this method way too early but that is because I do not have time to do a ton of testing. I have done a lot of testing, enough to fill up a notebook but I still don't feel like it is enough.

It would be nice to have some feedback and some suggestions on how to improve the style of play. I am not looking for perfection, just something that I can be comfortable with.

Also, I do not know if there is a style of play out there like this...There probably is but I have not come across it.

[roules]

Looking forward to it - should be a good read.

[John1234]

Looking forward to it - should be a good read.

haha it is probably nothing new. I think i just built some suspense for something original.

[John1234]

Rules:

1.) Bring about $1,200.00 to $1,400 dollars to the table with you. This is probably over kill but I like to be safe. Just do not plan to lose all of the money.

2.) I prefer to play 5 shoes. This obviously varies upon the individual.

3.) Win goal for each shoe is 5.5 to 6 units. All of my base bets are $20.00 so this means that I want to finish each session with $110 to $120 dollars.
If I play 5 sessions then I should finish with a profit of $500.00 after commission, maybe a little more.

4.) As soon as I reach my win goal during a shoe I stop. So if I make my 6 units half way through the shoe then I stop playing and wait for the next shoe. This takes discipline. My logic behind this is to decrease my venerability to the casino. 

5.) A Stop Loss for a shoe still has to be established. But my goal is to walk away from the 5 sessions without losing money.

6.) Do not bet every hand. Yet again my logic behind this is to limit venerability to the casino.

7.) I still have to make a rule about the progression...as far as when to stop and rethink or what to do if things get out of control. This rule will be established when I focus more on the progression.

8.) Be realistic about your goals. I go into each session with the mentality that I have to be realistic about my goals. You must realize that this method is not going to get you rich fast. Being realistic leaves you less vulnerable to the casino. When you make a certain profit you must stop. When you lose a certain amount you must stop and reevaluate. Do not go into the game hoping to kill the casino because no method of play will ever hold up 100% of the time (unless someone out there knows something that I do not know).


Next I will explain the Progression and the method together. In a few min. I have to type it out.

[John1234]

Progression:

Here is the progression. I kind of pulled it out of my ass and I have not completed it. I do not know if I like the progression yet. I haven't had many bad sessions so I haven't seen the progression perform poorly. There are so many progressions out there that I can not remember the names of them.

I do not like huge negative progressions.

My goal is to make the profit of 5.5 to 6 units without going deep into the progression. Sometimes there are not that many betting opportunities so it makes finding the perfect progression difficult. But then again I feel like limiting betting will help the progression in the long run. I'll explain what I mean when I show how I play the method with the progression.

Here it is:


1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5 and I still need to figure out where to go from 4.5. I'll explain why later.

Here is an example of the progression using $20 as the base bet.

20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90

The goal is to always come out ahead either +1 unit or +0.5 units. After suffering a series of loses. This means that you must play until you either come out ahead + 10 or + 20.

So if we had $80.00 in profit and we lose, we use the progression to come out ahead either $90.00 or $100.00.


Here is how it works.

1.) You start betting 1 unit.
-If you win then you stay at 1 unit
-If you lose then you go to 1.5 units.
- If you win the 1.5 unit bet then you stop and you made 0.5 units. 

2.) If you lose the 1.5 unit bet then you go to 2 units.
     -If you win the 2 unit bet then you drop to 1.5 and bet again.
      Example.

Lose the first bet: -20
Go to 1.5 unit (30) and lose -50
Go to 2 unit (40) and win -10
Go to 1.5 unit (30) and win +20 Stop...came out ahead one unit.

3.) If you lose the 2 unit bet then you go to 2.5 units.

Example.

-Lose first bet: -20
-bet 1.5 (30) lose, -50
-bet 2 (40) lose: -90
-Bet 2.5 (50) Win -40...here I would bet 50 again.
-Bet 2.5 again win +10. You are 0.5 unit ahead so stop.

As you get deeper into the progression you work your way down a ladder to the base bet but only betting enough to come out ahead +.5 or +1 units.This means that you have to pay attention to the profit that you are trying to achieve before the progression began.

Hopefully by now you are getting what I am saying. The goal of the progression is to win a level two times in a row. And if you are deep work your way down to the base. By that time you should either be +0.5 units or +1 units.
*Sometimes you may have to drop a level...
There is a problem though. As you get higher into the progression it becomes harder to recover. This is why I do not have anything added after the 4.5 unit bet. I still have not had to go to 4.5 units. So I am not sure what to do about that.

Now I will explain how I play and apply the progression to the way that I play.

I originally started with the 3+capping method leading into a neural progression. This method came by some guy named Jim. At first it seemed great but I quickly realized that the progression was too large. It also seemed to lose more often than it won.

So I took his idea of the 3+capping but now I do the opposite and I do not play the progression. So basically I only took the 3+capping idea from him. I also added a twist and this is where the progression comes in.

Here is how I play:

1.) I wait for a series of 3 or more B or P.
2.) when the series is interrupted by a different outcome, I will then make a bet based on the dominate side.

That probably made no sense so here is an example.

B
B
B---Here there is a series of 3 banks
P--- P comes out so now the 3 banks have been capped. I will then bet for B to show.
B- B showed and I won. I now stop my betting until I get another set of 3 or more Banks or players followed by the opposite outcome.

3.) This is how I play on a loss.
B
B
B
B
B here I have 5 Banks
P a player came out so I will bet Banker: it is now capped
P player came out again so I lose. Now I switch and bet Player with my progression.
P player came out again and I ended up with +0.5 units. I now stop and wait for my next capping opportunity.

As you can see when I lose I go with the last outcome. I do not stop until I come out ahead +0.5 units or +1 units.

Here is an example that I am making up:

B
B
B
B 4 B's
P capped now bet 1 unit (20) on B
B win +20 ( one unit)
P
B
P
P
P 3 P's
B capped bet 20 on P
B lose NOW SWITCH TO B bet 1.5 (30) units on B. +0
B Win 0.5 unit (10) profit = +30. Stop bet
B
B
P bet 20 on B...B's are capped.
B win + 50
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
P
B bet 20 on P
B Lose, bet 1.5 unit (30) on B: profit = +30
P Lose bet 2 unit (40) on P: profit= +0
B Lose bet 2.5 (50) unit on B: profit=-40
B Win bet 2.5 units on B: Profit= +10
P Lose bet 2.5 units on P: Profit= -40
P Win bet 2.5 units on P: Profit = +10
B Lose bet 2.5 units on B: Profit= -40
B Win bet 2.5 units on B: Profit = +10
B Win bet 1.5 units (30) on B: Profit +60 (bypassed 2 and dropped down to 1.5 )
B Win stop betting goal of +0.5 (10) achieved. Profit= +90
B
B
P B's capped
B bet 20 on B
B Lose bet 30 on B Profit= +70
B Win +100
B
P B's capped, bet 20 on B
B win +120. PROFIT GOAL IS REACHED NOW STOP PLAYING SHOE.


As you can see...the progression is used to make the .5 or 1 unit profit. If I begin to get deep into the progression and I win the back to back bet, I have to work my way down the ladder. In the example where I got to the 2.5 unit bet I was able to jump down and by pass the 40 dollar bet by making the 30 dollar bet. After winning I still came out ahead +10. So you have to judge what bets to make as you work your way down.

If I happen to have a really bad session then I will not try to make the .5 unit profit...I will try to get back to where I was before the progression. But then I will go to the 1.5 unit bet when next bet that is triggered by 3+capping. This means that I bypass the 1 unit bass bet (only one time).
I will also do this if I have a few session in a row where I only make .5 units.

When you finish the progression you stop and start playing the 3+capping again.


I think that only choppy play can hurt this method of play. This is a situation that I am still trying to improve on. I haven't put much attention on it yet. I will discuss this in the post about things that I want to improve on.

I have found that this play, combined with my rules has been successful for me.



I will post my three examples. I am going to scan them on now.

[John1234]

I have three live testing shoes. The first shoe is a basic shoe from Dublin Bet. There are three pages. I as having trouble uploading so I used image shark. I hope it works. I will post the Easiest shoe that i had after I get done uploading the three pages of the the basic shoe. Then I will post the hardest shoe that i have faced yet.

[John1234]

Here is one of the easiest shoes that I came across while testing. This is a live shoe. I was able to make my 6 units long before the end of the shoe. I followed my rules and stopped playing. There should be two pages.

[John1234]

Here is the hardest shoe that I came played during testing. it comes from a random number generator from Dublin Bet. I was still able to finish with my 6 units. There should be 3 pages.
Next post will be about problems that I have with the style I of play.

[John1234]

There are obviously some problems with this method of play.

I have not put a lot of thought into certain aspects of play. I want to improve the play and I am open to all suggestions. 

1.) Progression
I think that the progression may need to change. I am not sure what progression I want. My favorite progression is the 6 point divisor but I am not sure if it will work well with this method because I do not know if it will allow me to end up with my 5.5 to 6 units at the end of a shoe.

Since my goal is to finish every shoe with 5.5 to 6 units I need to figure out a way to have a good progression that wont have a large drawdown. Maybe I can alter the progression that I am using? I am not sure...I am not great when it comes to progressions. I do not like them but at the same time I like to use them to a point because they help me achieve my goal faster. With this method there are only a certain number of windows to make a profit, so it is important that I make that profit. But I want to minimize the risk.

2.) When to stop when I am losing

I need to figure out how much that I want to lose before I stop for the entire shoe. I guess this depends on the progression also.

3.) What to do if I get a real bad choppy session

I do not even know what to do in this case. I really have to put a lot of thought into this. A chop that goes on for a long time can kill me.
Maybe it is a good idea to stop playing after like 4 chops or something and wait for the capping to  start back up then start the progression with the capping.


There are a few more things that I need to think about but I am getting tired so I am not going to write anymore about this for tonight. As I get more ideas I will throw them out there.

[John1234]

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