my method of playing

[sniper]

Hello John1234,

The most important thing to take care is the drawdown. As long as you know how to keep your losses low, you have the chance to succeed. Do not look at the result of every single shoe. As long as you can make average of 5 to 6 units every 5 shoes consistently, I believe you have found your HG. To be a long term winner, you have to be very practical and consistent as far as BS and daily target is concern. I may be wrong, this is just my personal way of looking at things. Different people have different expectation. Whatever it is, the person who can take money home, irrespective of small or large amount is in a way the  ultimate WINNER.

Regards

sniper

[John1234]

Hello John1234,

The most important thing to take care is the drawdown. As long as you know how to keep your losses low, you have the chance to succeed. Do not look at the result of every single shoe. As long as you can make average of 5 to 6 units every 5 shoes consistently, I believe you have found your HG. To be a long term winner, you have to be very practical and consistent as far as BS and daily target is concern. I may be wrong, this is just my personal way of looking at things. Different people have different expectation. Whatever it is, the person who can take money home, irrespective of small or large amount is in a way the  ultimate WINNER.

Regards

sniper

I agree with exactly what you said. I think that one of the most important factors to success is being practical. The hg, as far as I am concerned lies within us. There elements that go into the hg that many people overlook. the hg consists of more than bet selection and so on. Our values, objectives, traits, and how realistic we can be are the foundations to our own personal hg. I think that so many people focus too much on the mechanics and not so much the additional factors that go into success with gambling and with life.

[Diarmaid]

Sniper, John

So so true both of you, I think controlling your emotions is also a key factor.

I personally think that money management is the most important factor when it comes to any sort of gambling.

Cheers
D

[Joker]

I think money management is most difficult thing.. I always lose my control.. and if I play gambling often then I start thinking about gambling all the time and distruct my personal life also..

that's why i like sport betting.. i don't have to sit at table....

[John1234]

Sniper, John

So so true both of you, I think controlling your emotions is also a key factor.

I personally think that money management is the most important factor when it comes to any sort of gambling.

Cheers
D

Yes emotions are very important. I always have trouble controlling my emotions when I lose. i hate to lose but I guess that we have to accept that we are gambling and losing comes with gambling, so we have to accept losing as a reality. I always have my emotions in check when I play poker, but in any other type of gambling, I always have a tough time controlling my emotions.

I think money management is most difficult thing.. I always lose my control.. and if I play gambling often then I start thinking about gambling all the time and distruct my personal life also..

that's why I like sport betting.. I don't have to sit at table....

I also think about gambling all the time when I gamble. I think that is a bad thing haha. But I am the type of person that gets tired of something if I think about it too often. It happened to me with poker and roulette. I don't think it will happen with baccarat because I have finally found a balance between everything else in my life. It is important to find that perfect balance and to not let gambling take control of your life.

Also I always like to do things to work on my self-discipline. I have found that working on self-discipline is actually rewarding in life and I expect it to help in gambling. I set a goal after my last visit to the casino to not go until the first week of August. I have done this to work on my self-discipline. It has been very hard but so far I have made it this far. Emotions and self-control can be improved. My coaches in sports always preached about mental toughness, I think that the same goes for gambling.

[John1234]

Well I cracked and finally played live. I did not make it to August 1st. However, I did not play at a casino. I put money onto my Bet Phoenix account. I am playing the 3+capping method with the tweak. I'm playing the minimum bet which is 5.00 and I think that the commission is only 3%. and the max bet is 100 but I don't plan to bet the max. The highest bet in my progression will be $15.00 (3 units). I also think that Bet Phoenix uses an 8 deck shoe.

I made 8 units before I stopped. I should have made about 11 units but I made a few mistakes because I am not used to betting on a computer. I had no drawdown for my session.

My goal is to make between 6-12 units per day.

I will post the tweak after I finish the next 50 shoes of testing. It is very hard for me to test because I am busy during the week but I will get around to finishing the shoes at some point.

Oh and I live in USA I originally wanted to wait until Frank's bill gets through, but if it does pass then who knows how long it will take to go into effect.

[sniper]

Hello John1234,

Congratulation!!! Hope this is the beginning of more success to come.

Regards

sniper

[John1234]

Hello John1234,

Congratulation!!! Hope this is the beginning of more success to come.

Regards

sniper

Thank you..so do I. And if I lose then I don't care because I am using a few hundred that I won off a free chip at some online casino. But hopefully I will keep my emotions in check and stay practical.

[John1234]

Right now I do not have the time to test 50 shoes so I will just post the tweak to the 3+capping method.

I spent awhile working on the 2+capping method but it would lose too much and I couldn't stand the large drawdowns. While testing the 2+capping method I found a way to improve the 3+capping method.

First, I will review the 3+capping bet selection. The bet selection is 3 or more of the same outcome capped by the opposite outcome. When the streak of 3 or more is capped you bet for the chop.

Example BBB (3 or more) P (capped by P now bet for B) B Win.

P
P
P
P
B Bet for P
P Win

Now I will talk about recovery bet selection and progression. This is what I am currently playing with on bet phoenix and this is what I have been testing.

The most important factor with this method is to be realistic. When you enter the recovery you may really have to grind it out and sometimes it can get frustraiting. It is important to keep your emtions in check and to not let your bets get too large.

I think that when you use a progression it is extremely important to control the progression. If you can control the progression and get it insync with the shoe then you will easily make a profit, however this is often a challenge.

The recovery bet selection and progression go hand in hand with eachother. I will describe the progression and then follow it up with some very iimportant rules:

The bet selection uses a count. The count is written as P v B. The count of the player is always on the same side and the same goes for the count of the banker.

-When you get a win the count goes up by 2 when you get a loss the count goes up by 1. So when Player wins you add 2 and since player won you add 1 to the banker. If banker wins next then you add 2 to the count of the banker and since player lost you add 1 to the count of the player.

Example

P 2v1
B 3v3
P 5v4
P 7v5
P 9v6
B 10v8
B 11v10

- You always start the count off at 2v0, or 0V2, whichever side won. The proceeding loss goes up by 2, then every bet after, the proceeding bet goes up by 1.


Example

B
B
B
B
B
P 3+capping trigger bet for B to come
P Loss Now the count is 2v0
P Win you are recovered. so stop and wait for next trigger

Example 2:
P
P
P
P
B 3+capping trigger bet for P to come next
B Loss, count is 0v2 now bet for B
P Loss count is now 2v3, this is the first loss following the last bet so it goes up by 2. Now you are still betting for B
B Win now count is 3v5, as you can see P is now going up by 1 when it losses bet for B to come again
P Now count is 5v6 B went up by 1 and P went up by 2 since it won, but you are still betting for B

The reason why I start the count off at 2v0 or 2v2 is because it creates the opportunity to quickly recoup all losses and make 1 unit profit. By the end of each recovery you should make 1 unit profit, that is the goal except in certain circumstances which I'll explain later.

Always restart the count at the end of the recovery

-here is the progression aspect of the count.

To decide how much to bet you take the difference of the two counts. So if your count is 2v4 then you are betting 2 units for B to come next. If the count is 3v7 then you are betting 4 units for B to come next. So the progression ends up working as a positive progression because when you win you are increasing your unit bet by 1 unit.

never bet more 5 units. If you have a count of 4v9 then bet 4 units instead of 5. As I said before, you do not want the progression to get out of control. Also, it is important to adjust your bets based on how much you want to win and your goals. For example if you need to make a 4 unit bet but you want to be safe then make a 3 unit bet. Success of this method depends a lot on how safe you are.

When the count is even
When you get an even count bet the opposite side. so if the count is 3v3 then you bet opposite of the current outcome.

The count does great in streaks and it protects the bankroll during zigzags. But I find it best to take advantage of the zigzigas.

ZigZag Mode

If you get a sequences like this BBBPPBPBPB then begin to bet the zigzags at the second zig zag. So the first zig zag was PBP. The second zigzag was BPB. Now go into ZigZag Mode.

During this mode you are still keeping count. You are still betting based on the difference of the two counts. However you are not betting based off the higher count, you are betting hoping for the zigzag to continue. When the zigzag is broken go back into full count mode. This has been very effective for me.

Streak Mode: Idea is a work in progress

I play streaks but only after I have made at least 7 units. When In streak mode I flat bet and I wait until I get 3 of the same outcome. This is what has resulted in many 10 unit shoes by the 50th decision. I only do this in a streaky shoe.

Stop Loss and Safety nets

This aspect of the system really depends on your goals, size of bankroll and so on. I have a stop loss of 10 units.

For base bets higher than $15.00 I will follow the stop loss of 10 units
For a base bet of $5.00 my stop loss increases to 20 units because I have a larger bankroll.

There is a 5-6 unit safety net. If at anytime you lose a total of 5-6 units then stop playing the recovery and wait for the next capping trigger. Then renter the recovery.

If i am playing with $5 base bets then I don't really follow this rule but with higher base bets I do. I find that it recovers much quicker if you sometimes just stop and wait for the next capping bet then continue the recovery where you left off.

This rule also depends on how streaky the shoe is. If the shoe is starting to get streaky then you may not want to enforce this rule because streaks will work to your advantage.

Rules:

1.) Win goal of 6-10 units
2.) Stop loss of 10-20 units
3.) If the recovery goes on for too long then accept a loss pick the recovery back up at the next 3+capping trigger. Try to get as close to even as possible. The goal of the recovery it is to always recover +1 unit but sometimes you need to accept that it wont happen without a huge drawdown. So avoid the large drawdown and wait it out.
4.) If you want to be safer then follow the 5 unit safety net
5.) The main bet selection is the 3+capping selection
6.) Never bet five units while in the progression
7.) When count is even bet the opposite outcome.
8.) enter Zig Zag mode after 2 Zig Zags, but continue with count and continue betting based off the difference of the counts
9.) Always restart the count when entering a new capping bet. So if you recover and the count is 8v3 then you stop and wait for the next 3+capping trigger the count will be rest with the next recovery.
10.) Start the count of a 2v0 or 0v2, whichever outcome came out. This will allow you to take advantage of a streak of 3.
11.) The first losing outcome in the count will go up by 2. Each losing outcome after that goes up by 1. There is an example of this rule posted above.


As I said before, the most important factor is to be realistic and control emotions. If you pay attention to the shoe then you can sometimes make a bet opposite from what the count tells you to bet. For example. if the recovery is going on for too long and I see a streak of 3 capped by the opposite outcome then i will sometimes make the 3+capping bet, even if the count tells me that I am supposed to bet for the capped side to return.



I think I hit on all of the rules and aspects of this method. if there is anything missing then I will add it. There is probably a way to improve the method and I will be happy to answer any questions.

[Diarmaid]

Excellent System John,

3 questions

1,  In your rule 11 you say "take advantage of a streak of 3"  what do you mean here?

2,  When you get your first loss and the count is either 2v0 or 0v2, do you then bet 2 units on the next bet? I presume you do as 2-0=2???

3,  Things with this system seem to be changing a lot as time goes on. My question is, what do you base the changes from? I think if you are basing changes to deal with big drawdowns found then you will only find that it will have a negitive effect to previous positive results. Any changes that are made need to be tested over all previous shoes and then made a 100% rule.
Just my 2 cents, from some years of system designing.

I have been playing this way with €2 units and so far Im making over €10 per shoe  5+ units


Maybe when you have the time you could post a couple of example shoes.

Cheers
D

[sniper]

Hello John1234,

Thanks for posting your baccarat system. I really admire your dedication and enthusiasm. Wish you success in your baccarat challenge.

Regards

sniper

[John1234]

Excellent System John,

3 questions

1,  In your rule 11 you say "take advantage of a streak of 3"  what do you mean here?

2,  When you get your first loss and the count is either 2v0 or 0v2, do you then bet 2 units on the next bet? I presume you do as 2-0=2???

3,  Things with this system seem to be changing a lot as time goes on. My question is, what do you base the changes from? I think if you are basing changes to deal with big drawdowns found then you will only find that it will have a negitive effect to previous positive results. Any changes that are made need to be tested over all previous shoes and then made a 100% rule.
Just my 2 cents, from some years of system designing.

I have been playing this way with €2 units and so far Im making over €10 per shoe  5+ units


Maybe when you have the time you could post a couple of example shoes.

Cheers
D

1.) What I mean by take advantage of a streak of 3 is that during the recovery you are taking advantage of a lot of the three streaks by starting off with the 2 unit bet. For example when you lose the 3+capping bet you will often get a streak of 3. By betting 2 units you should recover within the 3rd outcome of the streak. If you were to start the recovery with a 1 unit bet then you would need a streak of 4 to recover. I think it makes more sense to attempt to recover quicker, rather than wait for a longer streak.

2.) Here is an example

So lets say you lose the 3+capping bet.

This is the sequence:

B
B
B
P Bet B (3+capping bet)
P Now you start the count at 2v0 (notice that if you win you will have taken advantage of the streak of 3) Bet for P
B you lose so now the count is 3v2. You only bet 1 unit. Since the difference of 3 and 2 is 1.

P is the losing side, so it goes up by a count of 1
B is the winning side so it goes up by a count of 2.
then you take the difference and that is your bet.

Now if the sequence looked like this

B
B
B
P 3+capping bet
P lose now count is 2v0 you are betting 2 units on P
P Win the count is 4v1. BUT you have recovered so there is no reason to bet. The count restarts for the next recovery.

P went up by 2 because it won
B went up by 1 because it was the losing side.

And notice that you took advantage of the streak of 3.

3.) Things with this system have been changing a lot as time went on. But now I am done changing things unless someone ends up showing coming up with a tweak to the count that makes it much better. You are correct on why I have been changing so much, I have been trying to deal with the big drawdowns. And I agree with what you say about how it has a negative effect on the previous positive results. But I have been testing the method over all previous shoes. I test on previous shoes that I have tested on before I go onto new shoes.

I have been playing this method for real money now. It is up 8 units. I will play again tonight for another 8 units and I will give an update on how I do.

I have noticed that if you play with small units then it will be more successful. The only problem is that live casinos have a 20-30 min so it is a bit risky. Bet Phoenix has a 5 dollar min table which is nice.

I will post some example shoes at some point.

Hope this helps

[John1234]

Hello John1234,

Thanks for posting your baccarat system. I really admire your dedication and enthusiasm. Wish you success in your baccarat challenge.

Regards

sniper

Thank you very much

[John1234]

I have a goal of winning 4 units per day for the next 7-8 weeks. This should put my bankroll up to $1000.00. When I get to $1000.00 I wills start to play for 6 units per day and I will never play for anything higher than 6 units.

Starting Bankroll $200.00
Current Bankroll $260.00 +12 units

My starting bankroll is a bit low but it is free money that I won somewhere so I figured that it wouldn't hurt to just roll it over to another casino. I am playing with 5 dollar units so if I win 4 units per day that is = to $20 per day. That should come out to be $140 per week. I will not begin withdrawing and playing for 6 units until I get up to the $1000 mark.

The method that I posted above was doing fine then I hit some bad shoes. the terrible two's were killing it. I actually have been using another person's system as a recovery and I have been having great results.

[fatherfred]

Hi John!
Think that your system works great and I really appreciate your work!!
I've also been struggling with the terrible twos.  Must be careful with those because it can hurt your bankroll really hard.

What do you do to recover from the twos john?

I played some roulette before but since you came up with this way of playing I can't take my eyes from baccarat!
It's strange but I can see a lot more patterns in this game.

At last, when you got the 3+capping trigger and you play the opposite from last, what do you do if it turns out to be equal? playing the same as before?

I mean like this: PPPB/ are you playing B again?

Thanks for all!

[fatherfred]

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