my method of playing

[John1234]

Hi John!
Think that your system works great and I really appreciate your work!!
I've also been struggling with the terrible twos.  Must be careful with those because it can hurt your bankroll really hard.

What do you do to recover from the twos john?

I played some roulette before but since you came up with this way of playing I can't take my eyes from baccarat!
It's strange but I can see a lot more patterns in this game.

At last, when you got the 3+capping trigger and you play the opposite from last, what do you do if it turns out to be equal? playing the same as before?

I mean like this: PPPB/ are you playing B again?

Thanks for all!

Thank you, I am happy to see that the system has been going well. I used to play a lot of roulette as well, mostly even chances, but I never had much success...well I had some success but I always got too greedy. I think that baccarat is an easier game to some degree.

As far as the terrible twos go, I honestly have not really worked on that lately. I have been busy with work and other stuff. I haven't really been using the recovery method when I play online for my 4 units. I have been betting against the last 7 with an up as you win progression as the recovery and it has been working great. The terrible twos were killing me and I got sick of having to play for more than 2 hours to make 4 units. Thats why I switched, but at some point I will look into this issue in greater depth. Sorry that I can't provide a better answer to your question.


I am confused about your second question. Are you asking what to do if there is an equal count? If that is what you are asking then here is what you do.

P
P
P
B 3+capping trigger
B Lose 0v2 now bet 2 units for B
P Lose 2v3 now bet 1 unit for B since the B side has the higher count
P Lose 4v4 now the count is even. you are betting the opposite outcome so bet for B
B win...this actually helps to take care of the terrible 2's to a point but if terrible two's keep coming in streaks then you will lose money

Was that your question?

[John1234]

6/16/09- Win goal for the day is achieved. I won +4 units. It took about 15 minutes and I had to go to the first 2 unit recovery bet everytime.

Total=  +16 units = $80.00

I am having anandram code me a bot. I am going up to school in one month so I will not have time to try to make my 4 units every day. The bot that he is coding for me does not have the recovery bet selection or the progression because I do not like the idea of my money being risked on a progressive system without me there to control it. It simply flat bets whenever there is a 3+capping trigger then it flat bets 1 unit to recover. If it does not recover then it stops and waits for the next 3+capping trigger. It would take awhile to make 4-6 units playing this way without a bot so hopefully the bot will help. 

[John1234]

I fell asleep last night when I got in so I didn't get to play.

6/18/09 +4 units. Total is = +20 units = $100.00

end of week one finished +20 units, it should have finished plus 28 units but I missed 2 days.

I am using a 3+capping/(1)2+capping combo. The (1)2+capping is used as a recovery. I am using a delayed up as you win progression that is somewhat capped. I have not worked too much on the progression but the basic structure for now looks a bit like this 1 1 2 2 (3) (4). You have to win 1 unit twice to get to the 2 unit bet. If you win the 2 unit bet twice then you either stay at the two unit bet or you can drop down to the one unit bet and restart going up the ladder again, it all depends on where I am at recovery wise. The 3 and 4 unit bets are to be avoided as much as possible. I have not made one yet.

If you lose at all during the 2 unit bets you drop down to the first 1 unit bet and you have to start going up the ladder again.

I had a 12 unit drawdown during my most recent shoe when I was attempting to win 4 units with the count method that I described. I decided to break away from the count method and us the capping combo with the delayed up as you win progression and it recovered the 12 units plus made an extra 4 units with no drawdown. It worked very well.

for now I'm not going to explain what the (1)2+capping bet looks like.  

[fatherfred]

It took a while to answer but now I'm here. . !

That wasn't really my question but it's my fault that you misunderstood.  I just couln't find the word Tie.
I play the online-casino in swedish language so sometimes it can be hard to translate. .

So my question is, if you got a Tie, what are you doing then?

P
P
P
B <Trigger, play P here.
/  <Tie

Are you still playing P here? Or are you waiting for next trigger? I've noticed that those Tie's makes it harder in some shoes.  Sometimes maybe it's better to wait the nest trigger out? I don't know, just a thought. .

Then I'm a bit curious about your idea to solve the terrible two's and if it works well for you?

Again I'm very grateful that you share your ideas!

Fred

[Diarmaid]

John,

Them 3000 shoes I got from you, do you know what casino they came from or more importantly are they from a continuous live table, like one after the other.

Cheers
D

[John1234]

John,

Them 3000 shoes I got from you, do you know what casino they came from or more importantly are they from a continuous live table, like one after the other.

Cheers
D

I have no idea where the shoes came from. I doubt that they are from a continuous live table, but they could be? Who knows.

[John1234]

It took a while to answer but now I'm here. . !

That wasn't really my question but it's my fault that you misunderstood.  I just couln't find the word Tie.
I play the online-casino in swedish language so sometimes it can be hard to translate. .

So my question is, if you got a Tie, what are you doing then?

P
P
P
B <Trigger, play P here.
/  <Tie

Are you still playing P here? Or are you waiting for next trigger? I've noticed that those Tie's makes it harder in some shoes.  Sometimes maybe it's better to wait the nest trigger out? I don't know, just a thought. .

Then I'm a bit curious about your idea to solve the terrible two's and if it works well for you?

Again I'm very grateful that you share your ideas!

Fred

I always just pretend the tie never happened. But I have found that I usually lose the capping bet after a tie or a series of ties. So sometimes maybe it would make sense to wait for the next trigger. But I personally like to take my chances and just play even if the tie shoes up. If you feel uneasy about it then go with your gut and wait it out.

I still have no idea about the terrible two's. Maybe it would make sense to just bet the terrible twos? So you use the count progression and when you lose to the terrible twos you begin to bet the terrible 2's just as you would do with the chops. So you still keep the count but instead of betting based on what the count tells you to bet, you bet the terrible twos. That is the only thing that I can think of as of right now. I still haven't put my thought into it yet.

[fatherfred]

You said you had a (1)2+capping combo bet that worked well.  I thought this combo helped to recover from the twos? About the progression, have you tested the 6-point divisor plan? If you follow it like you should it works pretty well with the 3+capping method.  But without 0,5$ markers it can be hard. .

[John1234]

You said you had a (1)2+capping combo bet that worked well.  I thought this combo helped to recover from the twos? About the progression, have you tested the 6-point divisor plan? If you follow it like you should it works pretty well with the 3+capping method.  But without 0,5$ markers it can be hard. .

yes it worked well for a short time then failed in testing so I stopped using it. I have tried the divisor but it didn't work so well.

[Natural9]

yes it worked well for a short time then failed in testing so I stopped using it. I have tried the divisor but it didn't work so well.

Ok I need to catch up here been offline for over two weeks

John can you bring me up to speed on what you are using or testing and did the 2 cap fail thanks in advance

Rodney

[John1234]

Ok I need to catch up here been offline for over two weeks

John can you bring me up to speed on what you are using or testing and did the 2 cap fail thanks in advance

Rodney

It's nice to have you back.


Here is what is going on:

2+capping: The 2+capping would lose too many bets in a row. The drawdowns would get too large. I am not a big fan of progressions so it really bothers me when I have to go deep into the progression to recover. So for now I have given up on the 2+capping idea. It became difficult to balance the terrible twos with terrible two chops (whatever you call it).

3+capping: I returned to the 3+capping idea after coming up with an idea while testing the 2+capping idea. The 3+capping tweak involves using a count which dictates what to bet AND how many units to bet. I posted all about this idea in the thread. I tested on only 50 shoes and had great results. However it didn't do so great live, I kept losing with it. It does not do so great with the terrible twos or real long streaks of chops.

Most recent Idea: About 2 weeks ago I had an idea for a system that is based on using the previous shuffle to win. I finally started to play with the system and it is doing great. I like the system more than 3+capping because you can bet basically when you want to bet and you flat bet as much as possible. when you lose you use a slight positive progression that does not go higher than 3 units. I have described this method on the thread about using the shuffle to win. The only problem is that I have not been able to test it because all of the results need to be from the same table from continuous shoes. But I will be getting data like this soon.

Also, a bot is being made to play the 3+capping method live for me. The bot will only be flat betting 1 unit. On a win it stops. When it losses the capping bet it bets again one more time hoping to recover, and if it losses that bet then it stops and waits for the next capping bet.


So for right now I am focusing on using the shuffle to win. Some of my ideas about the system go a bit deeper than what I posted on that thread, but for now that is how I am playing. The bot that is playing the 3+capping method will capture data from continuous shoes for me to test, so I will run the bot in play mode a lot.

And if you haven't noticed I have been playing on Bet Phoenix. That is the only site as of now that accepts USA. I made 20 units using the capping method with the count then had 10 unit drawdown. Then I recovered with the shuffle system which I am going to continue playing with and testing.

[John1234]

Since the forum has been down I have no longer been using the 3+capping method. I have been working on a system that uses the previous shuffle to win and it has done far better. It is mostly flat betting with a slight progression. The average drawdown is only about 1-3 units and I have not lost with it yet. I wrote about the original version over on another forum but there has been two major adjustments that I did not record since then. I am not going to write it now because I need to do more testing and I do not have time to do testing.

[Natural9]

Since the forum has been down I have no longer been using the 3+capping method. I have been working on a system that uses the previous shuffle to win and it has done far better. It is mostly flat betting with a slight progression. The average drawdown is only about 1-3 units and I have not lost with it yet. I wrote about the original version over on another forum but there has been two major adjustments that I did not record since then. I am not going to write it now because I need to do more testing and I do not have time to do testing.

Is difficult to test if you dont know where the shoes have come from tho maybe not matter to much because a shoe is a shoe is a shoe

Did the 3+ capping fail

[John1234]

Did the 3+ capping fail

No idea, I found something better and moved on. I never really did a good test with it. My problem with the method is that it needs a progression to win long term. It will not win long term flat betting. I got tired of seeing large drawdowns and looking over every progression in the book. I guess that I have changed over the last few months. At first I didn't mind large drawdowns but now I do. My new system fits my playing style. And there are many areas that I would like to explore based off the new system.

[Natural9]

No idea, I found something better and moved on. I never really did a good test with it. My problem with the method is that it needs a progression to win long term. It will not win long term flat betting. I got tired of seeing large drawdowns and looking over every progression in the book. I guess that I have changed over the last few months. At first I didn't mind large drawdowns but now I do. My new system fits my playing style. And there are many areas that I would like to explore based off the new system.

When I did my limited testing with it it seemed to win 90 odd percent flat betting so i dont know if it is a loser long term

[Natural9]

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