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[know when to quit]

Hello and sorry for the long delay. I made several business trips to the States and plus many hospital visits with my son.
I have been continuing play this method but mixing it with a well understanding of sleepers and tracking sequences of how many times a number, or sector, or area hits and have been very successful. If anyone is interested I will explain further. I thought many years ago that you need to be secretive with your systems but then realized that is hog wash. The casinos make billions off of people, they are not going to concern themselves with someone who wins a few thousand here and there. So just ask and I will try my best to explain.
Good luck
Jon

[hermes]

Similar to Rain Drop strategy by John Solitude. He plays 12 sleepers progression in the biggest hole.
Hermes

[Jeromin]

Hello and sorry for the long delay. I made several business trips to the States and plus many hospital visits with my son.
I have been continuing play this method but mixing it with a well understanding of sleepers and tracking sequences of how many times a number, or sector, or area hits and have been very successful. If anyone is interested I will explain further. I thought many years ago that you need to be secretive with your systems but then realized that is hog wash. The casinos make billions off of people, they are not going to concern themselves with someone who wins a few thousand here and there. So just ask and I will try my best to explain.
Good luck
Jon

Yes, I am interested and I'm sure many others too. You are right about being secretive: no point. A tiny minority of Roulette player study systems seriously, and of those, most don't make money consistently anyway. Besides, casinos benefit from the existence of professional players. It makes people dream.

Jeromin

[birdhands]

Hi kntq, glad to see you back and sorry to hear about your son; I hope he is well.  I am very interested in your system, the changes you've made with it, and how it has worked for you in the past year and a half.  Thanks for your generosity in sharing it with us.

Sam

[JonInRI]

Hi Know When To Quit,

Very sorry to hear about your son and I also hope he is well.  Glad you are back here though to update us on the changes you've made and how it has been working for you.  I am very interested in your system and thank you for sharing it with us.

[birdhands]

  I've read your exponential curve explanation a few times and, while I've got the basic gist of it, I'm still having trouble understanding when and how to apply it practically.  It seems like this may be the key to your new approach to the system, so if you don't mind it would be great if you could explain it a little more.  Sorry if I'm being dense.  Thanks much.

Sam

[know when to quit]

Hello Birdhands,

Thanks for the question. Ok, I will try to explain a bit further. Let's say you are playing red and black, odd or even or high or low numbers or simply clocking your wins and losses. I never bet on these but use it many times to confirm my next bet. I will use excel to generate some random numbers for this example. Please don't heckle me with hate mail....this is just an example. I have found that rng are different than actual numbers. 23-32-26-5-18-5-10-22-35-33-4-1-35-6-8-30-3-22-29-30-23-36-3-21-33-3-25-3-30-8-1-35-26-12-23-32-36-14-32-24
Forty numbers. Now let's use high and low (for simplicities sake). I usually play 4 methods at the same time when at the wheel. Lets exchange the lows with an x and highs with a 0.....it would look like this 000xxxx000xx0xx0x00000x00x0x0xx00x000x00 . The curve says you will have twice as many seq. of 1's as 2's and twice as many 2's as 3's etc. lets graph what is happening here.

Just x's
1's=6
2's=3
3's=0
4's=1
Just the O's
1's=4
2's=3
3's=3
4's=0
5's=1
The x's are following a good normal curve with 1's and 2's it jumped up to a 4 but many times that is normal. I have seen it jump up three positions but it usually returns to fill in the curve. From the looks of the 0's it is heavy on the 1's and 2's and as a result, you will see in the next few spins 1's and 2's fill in to even out the law. If you play with just this idea it is still difficult because you are dealing with 18 numbers and the wild card of the 0 and 00, but if you now plot the same numbers with odd and even and play them with the same method it gets interesting. Odd even looks like this 0=odd x= even.oxxoxoxxooxooxxxoxoxoxooooooxxooxxoxxxxx
Just 0's
1's=6
2's=3
3's=0
4's=0
5's=0
6's=1
Just x's
1's=5
2's=4
3's=1
4='s
5's=1
From this everything looks good except you should see a few more 1's with the x's and the 0's will fill in their 3's 4's and 5's after the 1's and 2's build up. If you are talking numbers it would translate to a few more even numbers hitting then in the next spin then immediately after the even hit an odd number would hit. If you combine it with the chart above with high and lows it would translate to.  The low odd numbers will hit and then the low even numbers will hit. If you combine this with red and black it gets more interesting. If you plot how many times you win and lose you can also graph your wins with x's and o's with the same curve. I will explain this further in another post.
Good Luck
JJH

[birdhands]

OK, so far it looks as if the idea is to sit at the wheel and graph out the distributions of hi/low, odd/even, red/black, for 30 -50 spins, and then begin to flat bet on single numbers which meet the criteria for what you've been led to expect from your graphs.  So in your example (without red/black) it would be time to start betting on the low evens until you get a hit, then the low odds?
Do you use this with the sector system you spoke of earlier or have you abandoned that strategy?
Well it all looks interesting so far.  I'll start playing with it.  Thanks for the post, and I look forward to your next installment.

All the best,
Sam

[know when to quit]

Hello again,

Thanks for translating my last post. Unfortunately I am not up on the words like you are.

I explained a simplified version of what I mean by exp. curve to give a base for my next explainations of how I play the sectors, sleepers, active numbers (hot numbers), ploting the curve on paper, and checking 2-4 methods before quickly making my next bet on numbers and of course 0 00. Where I play which is almost daily is a small casino they have 2 types of wheels. One is like a video game with a live wheel in the middle and the other is a manned normal wheel. The curve applies to many things that sound really crazy but I have seen people use a crazy method with somewhat (usually break even or slighty little loss but because they play over time and do not track their winning they think they are winning) success, but what they are really doing is playing the curve....an example is: If you track the last 19 numbers hit on the bar or that are lit up some people will (there are some real crazy players) add or subtract the last couple of numbers and use the total for the next play. If you plot their wins and losses on a curve you end up with the same graph....called exponential curve. It will show an average of 7 - 11 losses between hits many single hits surrounded by losses some double hits surrounded by losses and fewer triple hits surrounded by losses etc...etc.

This directly applies to playing sectors. Hot numbers, sleepers etc. the permutations of this are probably endless. For example if you take the sectors most common that are on the playing board. 1-12 13-24 25-36 you will see that if you plot the curve just for 1 of those sectors you will have many hits on that sector and then the ball goes to another sector, you will have some hits of 2 hits in the same sector and fewer of them hitting 3 times ect...ect. I am sure there is a finite number of hits in a million spins in just one sector of 12 number and it usually follows the curve I am talking about. So how does this affect your play? Let's say you are playing sectors on the table like I just talked about. You see you have a chart of x= hits in that sector and 0=misses where the ball lands in another sector. It would look like this xx00000xx0000xx0000x I know the odds are the same as always to tell you that the next spin could be an x (hit in your sector) but the paradox says no way so I would look seriously at the other 25 or 26 places on the table, quickly compare it with other charts (in my mind) and play a few numbers. If it does to me the paradox tells me that the following will not be a 0 but you are probably looking at a triple hit (win) in your sector. The same as looking at the misses (losses) the next time a 0 comes up the curve/paradox tells me that you will not see 4 0's or 4 consecutive hits in other sectors. One thing I do and many will probably disagree with me on this is, I keep my notes on graph paper and continue from one game to the next even though from one game to the next may be a couple of days or more. I did this one time and noticed that a streak of 140 spins without the 0 00 hitting. I built up modest wages on them and within 5 spins, the next time I played it hit 25 units. I have to go but will write more latter.

Good luck
JJH

[bombus]

Hello, know when to quit .

I have removed the double posting.

Cheers, and please carry on with your topic.

[know when to quit]

Thanks,

I will post again on Monday. My wife and I had an anniversary and I had to think outside the wheel for a few days.....good luck to you all.

JJH

[know when to quit]

Just a quick question before I continue.

Is this making sense or is it just a waste of time and information that everyone already knows. I do not want to insult anyones intellegence.

I played again today and cleard 1200 units again in 3 hours. I survived numbers from hell. There were 14 out of 19 numbers that hit below 12. I was sure glad when that was over.

Good luck

JJH

[birdhands]

This is definitely not information that I already know.  It makes sense so far, although I feel I have a aways to go before I can translate it to a system of play at the casino.  I am waiting with baited breath.

Thanks,

Sam

[know when to quit]

Thanks Birdhands,

I will talk more later about how to know when you should quit. I call it floods and droughts. It is based on the same principle graph as a 50 year flood 25 year flood 10 year flood or a 500 year flood. If you can chart an exponential curve then you can connect a time line to it for instance if each spin takes (where I am) 1 minute (on the mechanical wheel) then each event has a specific time to it. If a run (like I talked about before ) of 7 happens less frequently than a run of 1 or 2 and you have only sat at the table 10 minutes playing you can say then that a drought (losing number sequences) has just happend to you that would normally take 5 hours of normal playing time. If you have survived then you should wait for a flood of a winning number sequence that happens on a frequency of more thime than you have been at the table before you quit or walk around the casino.

I couldn't bielieve it, when I was playing, the pit boss was watching me play very carefully and came over ( I was the only one at the table) and changed balls to a larger size. I kept up with my winning streak dispite his dumb attempt...he should read this forum, or at least understand the game better. More later.
JJH

[Sammy]

  Hi Know when to quit. . .    What progression are you using?  I might have missed it in a previous post but I didn't see it. . .   Thanks for sharing=)    Sammy

[Sammy]

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