Please tell me what you think of these systems

[klw]

Another example litiki777 of using the curve is when you have early domination of 1 hits and you target the 2 - 7 hits , in a 50 spin session you know that you will have multiple hits in these areas so you bet for a continuation.There are many ways to use the information from a developing curve.


Cheers.

[litiki777]

I got the idea, thank you, KLW/ I will have to practice analyzing these curves quick  in <1 minute. Not easy though. Hope that KWTQ comes back soon to shed some more light on it.

[litiki777]

I just heard about this site which provides daily history of winning hits at their live tables (true or not I do not know): nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=19&L=1
So I downloaded several days to test my app and here is the 240 hits on day 9-11 on table TB AS1:
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33 26 10 9 34 20 21 22 1 8 23 19 17 26 19 33 8 29 8 4
28 16 36 18 4 18 18 33 17 18 25 3 32 2 19 28 2 29 5 34
0 1 8 16 33 32 9 10 32 34 28 31 19 6 5 1 34 8 20 14
31 20 2 33 3 33 2 10 34 25 20 2 32 1 9 18 24 0 29 9
1 8 0 17 3 34 25 24 10 29 17 2 33 7 18 32 30 32 4 15
12 26 22 22 17 5 22 3 19 15 9 11 19 16 5 16 3 10 1 5
22 21 11 21 25 3 1 35 7 24 18 28 2 26 24 1 4 18 8 6
34 5 12 2 32 3 29 20 7 20 30 18 20 16 17 5 11 36 1 29
33 24 22 5 29 20 26 5 17 11 21 27 14 34 15 18 19 13 31 16
33 27 16 24 30 0 4 3 15 15 7 12 9 0 1 15 16 23 34 15
14 3 4 23 18 32 18 14 34 3 27 25 26 18 1 20 11 19 5
9 5 10 1 33 4 18 17 21 33 1 15 22 8 2 36 11 6 16 29
--
So I plugged these # in my program and calculated the curves using the last 40 hits and again with the whole 240 hits. The two testcases are attached. I think the rule of 1s=2x2s, 2s=2x3s... hold for simple Black/Red, Low/High curves only OR I did something wrong!

[klw]

I just heard about this site which provides daily history of winning hits at their live tables (true or not I do not know): nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=19&L=1
So I downloaded several days to test my app and here is the 240 hits on day 9-11 on table TB AS1:
--
33 26 10 9 34 20 21 22 1 8 23 19 17 26 19 33 8 29 8 4
28 16 36 18 4 18 18 33 17 18 25 3 32 2 19 28 2 29 5 34
0 1 8 16 33 32 9 10 32 34 28 31 19 6 5 1 34 8 20 14
31 20 2 33 3 33 2 10 34 25 20 2 32 1 9 18 24 0 29 9
1 8 0 17 3 34 25 24 10 29 17 2 33 7 18 32 30 32 4 15
12 26 22 22 17 5 22 3 19 15 9 11 19 16 5 16 3 10 1 5
22 21 11 21 25 3 1 35 7 24 18 28 2 26 24 1 4 18 8 6
34 5 12 2 32 3 29 20 7 20 30 18 20 16 17 5 11 36 1 29
33 24 22 5 29 20 26 5 17 11 21 27 14 34 15 18 19 13 31 16
33 27 16 24 30 0 4 3 15 15 7 12 9 0 1 15 16 23 34 15
14 3 4 23 18 32 18 14 34 3 27 25 26 18 1 20 11 19 5
9 5 10 1 33 4 18 17 21 33 1 15 22 8 2 36 11 6 16 29
--
So I plugged these # in my program and calculated the curves using the last 40 hits and again with the whole 240 hits. The two testcases are attached. I think the rule of 1s=2x2s, 2s=2x3s... hold for simple Black/Red, Low/High curves only OR I did something wrong!

Hi litiki777 --- Not sure what you mean by asking if you have done anything wrong ?

I can confirm that my analysis also shows those same ratios for the even chances.

A curve is simply a representation of data accumulated. The recognition of a curve not following an even representation is key to ( hopefully ) successful bets. Not all curves look the same. I am not at my desk now but from memory a curve of orphelins repeats after a prior hit is heaviest at ( spin )  no.3. Not no.1 as with the even chances.So whatever data you are recording recognising its normal appearance ( with lots of practice ) is essential so that you can recognise when it is out of normal so you can bet.

Hope this helps.


Cheers.

[cheshire]

Hello,
Small pause in writing, Sorry for the delay.
I will start out slow. Remember that this and the following examples are based on the exponential curve. Before the example let me show in simple terms why there is a curve. The wheel has no memory, no inherent ability in the physical or spiritual world it is just a piece of material that has the ability to move. Let's say you are looking at red and black, 4 spins.
BBBB
BBBR
BBRR
BBRB
BRBR
BRBB
BRRB
BRRR
RRRB
RRRR
RRBB
RRBR
RBBB
RBBR
RBRB
RBRR
The curve is taken from the factorial of 4 which is 4x3x2x1= 24 different possible combinations but we are after permutations so we remove the repeats and end up with 16 different permutations. Now lets chart/graph the runs of Black first. 4,3,2,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1 as you can see you have
1's = 7
2's = 3
3's = 1
4's = 1

I will write more later.

Good Luck
JJH

Hi khtq
I dont understand how do you get 4,3,2,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1...can you or somebody explain to me in a simple way but detail... anyhow i can download even a single thing here for the xls. Thanks in advance...

[cheshire]

I cant download all the attached files here...pls help

[iggiv]

i was asked to express my opinion about this method. It's negative. you can't rely on progression to win. And you can't rely on cold sectors. Sorry.

[klw]

I was asked to express my opinion about this method. It's negative. you can't rely on progression to win. And you can't rely on cold sectors. Sorry.

Hi iggiv  ---  I'm not sure which method you comment on. This thread is over 4 years old and kwtq seems to constantly evolve his system , I don't think he has fully revealed a system on this thread for a long time, his betting seems to revolve around what he calls the curve, he gets so far in describing his latest system then disappears sometimes for a year just as it gets interesting lol. Really frustrating. His more recent stuff does not involve betting on cold sectors from what I remember. The thing is he has a lot of experience and he's the type of poster we need on here ( when he's around ) maybe we'll see him back one day.

Cheers.

[ausguy]

know when to quit seems to have done just that = QUIT ?  My check shows his last post at #515 June 13 2013. Around 6 months ago.

kwtq s betting MO came under scrutiny by some forum members including birdhands & myself around May 2013.

birdhands questioned why kwtq couldn't find the time to play on a system/method that consistantly won ?

He was supposedly down in Guatemala doing charity work ? Him constantly winning at the local casino had him fearing his personal safety, kwtq said so.

I questioned why he was playing for relative peanuts when he could play at a 1st World casino & earn 8 - 12 times more than down in that poorer country.
(the variance relates to what country he would play & the exchange rates). In turn he could help 800% more people down there that way ?

Over all it just doesn't add up ?

As to TRUE BELIEVER klw you should be 200% up to speed on kwtqs plays & making similar outrageous profits that he said he was/could make.

I guess it didn't happen for you klw as if it did you'd be long gone by now.

[klw]

Hi ausguy .  I'm not 200% up on his play because if you read my last post properly he hasent revealed his system in full. The curve is interesting to me and many others I'm interested in how he applies it, this he has never fully revealed .

I'm still at the learning stage for roulette just a year and a bit part time. You're still here after many years what's your excuse ?

Looks like anyone that has a different opinion to you can expect a sly dig even if it takes months for you to get round to doing it ! Must have given you great satisfaction to write your last post.

As regards kwtq someone must think he's good he has his own roulette book on Bet Selection !


Cheers.

[Azim]

know when to quit seems to have done just that = QUIT ?  My check shows his last post at #515 June 13 2013. Around 6 months ago.

kwtq s betting MO came under scrutiny by some forum members including birdhands & myself around May 2013.

birdhands questioned why kwtq couldn't find the time to play on a system/method that consistantly won ?

He was supposedly down in Guatemala doing charity work ? Him constantly winning at the local casino had him fearing his personal safety, kwtq said so.

I questioned why he was playing for relative peanuts when he could play at a 1st World casino & earn 8 - 12 times more than down in that poorer country.
(the variance relates to what country he would play & the exchange rates). In turn he could help 800% more people down there that way ?

Over all it just doesn't add up ?
As to TRUE BELIEVER klw you should be 200% up to speed on kwtqs plays & making similar outrageous profits that he said he was/could make.

I guess it didn't happen for you klw as if it did you'd be long gone by now.

You have questioned everyone and are still questioning peoples ability to win.

REMEMBER NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME LUCK...  I HAVE PROVED TO YOU I CAN WIN 4digit figure by using 2 lower end digits..  From $60.00 To $1000+...  I have shown it to everyone. I have done it at ease.

You claim to be winning so why look around for different systems..

I think I know what KWTQ is doing with his system/method.  I am looking for some files in this thread.  As soon as I have them. I will confirm and open a new thread to discuss this...

In short this is more like GUT using statistics and real time data to analyze within 60secs.

I am not sure but I think  KWTQ has also said somewhere in his post, learn to read the curve first.. The curve is a combination of 4-5 different variances.

What he means by that is use the same data analyze it in 4-5 different ways and you will have 2 -3 variations that point to the same number's when that happens you bet the numbers.

In short, if i was looking at Even chance for example:

I have 4 reds, 3 evens and 5 high number's fall...  you look at your data from the past spins and notice how fast the other side is changing when a run like this happens...  Now where he made is money was by betting black, odd and low...  Guess what?  thats only 4-5 numbers...   11,13,15,17...  He was betting heavy on those number's and to protect his investment he would play the neighbors too.

On his original  post,  he did the same with sleepers,  he was smart to use 4-5 different strategy against same data.

If you go through some of my posts I have said the same thing:  WE CAN BE WINNING CONSISTENT BY PLAYING 4-5 DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AT THE SAME TIME.

It's humanly possible for 10-15% of the population to be able to do that....of that only 1-2% gamble on a regular basis..  That's why casino's make the money they make..

[Azim]

BTW AUSGUY,

I know of people who gamble and give their winnings to charity.

[ausguy]

klw -Yes I'm still here but I don't post much, slightly less than you looking at the stats @ only 1.141 posts per week average over 3 years.

The main thing is that I don't have an excuse because I don't need one.

I'm retired & I don't play roulette every day, I have a varied life so I don't live & breathe roulette 24/7. I do OK. This year has been good as my roulette plays paid for a new car. I've averaged around $500 pw playing mainly at Party live dealer casino. The big bonus is the leverage that the exchange rates give.

Less than 300GBP gives the currency leverage back to +/- $500 here to OZ.

My play is on the ECs basic Marty progression with stop losses starting at mid level. I virtual V bet looking for a V win, this stops long strings of losses but doesn't stop switch back losses.  That rarely happens so overall I'll win in the 60 - 100GBP range. In a day I might only play for an hour. Sometimes I might play 2 seperate 1 hour sessions.

As to this curve thing it should have been explained yonks ago "never been fully revealed" is against forum rules. This came up the other day on another thread where the Mod was warning a poster to show all of his method or get canned.

So kwtq has a roulette book. Now let me guess it's not free but if wanted it has to be paid for ?

It's the same old story - If anyone has a successful system (kwtq even said it was dangerously successful down in good 'ol Guetemala that he used to limit his wins & cash out to go & help the poor people of the area. How noble ?) it should make bulk money & not need book sales to make a few bucks ?

Have you bought the book ? If yes how much was it ? If you have it what's in it ? Obviously the curve thing hasn't been revealed so you're still in the dark ?

So klw what's your current MO ? Are you playing & winning a bit or not ? "Learning stage for a year and a bit part time " I'm borrowing this from Santa Claus - HO! HO! HO! HO! HO! HO!  Soon in the New Year the Tooth Fairy is coming to visit.

[ausguy]

Ah Azim has arrived - So you know of people who gamble and give their winnings to charity. Ok that's good - send me their names & phone numbers so I can ask them if it's true as I don't believe that what you say is fact for even 1 second ?

Your all over the forum Azim. I came across an older post of yours a few days ago where you were talking very positive about autowheel betting & if I recall other posts before that where you took issue with my view that it's not RNG but fair random spins ? Also & only briefly I think I saw another post of yours where you were very negative about autowheel play. What happened, get burned ? I laughed to myself & said "looks like the leopard has changed his spots".

I've said my piece on kwtq 7 months ago so revisit it there as it's still an unanswered "too hard file" question "

All I'll add, is in my view kwtq lacks credibility. He or non of his dedicated followers can adequately explain a 6 months & lengthening no show ?

Azim if I had the "secret weapon" that wins big with ease off a relatively small BR, then I wouldn't be on the forum but travelling the world making millions & living the playboy lifestyle that us "POOR CUZ" gamblers can only dream of ?     With you it's rather difficult to seperate fact from fiction.

[Azim]

Ah Azim has arrived - So you know of people who gamble and give their winnings to charity. Ok that's good - send me their names & phone numbers so I can ask them if it's true as I don't believe that what you say is fact for even 1 second ?
Look up the NickName->  Robinhood of poker..

Your all over the forum Azim. I came across an older post of yours a few days ago where you were talking very positive about autowheel betting & if I recall other posts before that where you took issue with my view that it's not RNG but fair random spins ? Also & only briefly I think I saw another post of yours where you were very negative about autowheel play. What happened, get burned ? I laughed to myself & said "looks like the leopard has changed his spots".

I haven't changed my color at all-> I have said...  Considering we gamble a lot online.. we see more of the abnormalities on a regular basis.

I've said my piece on kwtq 7 months ago so revisit it there as it's still an unanswered "too hard file" question "

All I'll add, is in my view kwtq lacks credibility. He or non of his dedicated followers can adequately explain a 6 months & lengthening no show ?

He has said in his posts...read before you accuse someone..  He had a new born or a kid that needed his attention... He had to be in the hospital due to his/ someone close to him....

Once again...  you don't read everything  and draw your conclusions...




Azim if I had the "secret weapon" that wins big with ease off a relatively small BR, then I wouldn't be on the forum but travelling the world making millions & living the playboy lifestyle that us "POOR CUZ" gamblers can only dream of ?     With you it's rather difficult to seperate fact from fiction.

Goes both ways-> I don't know you and you don't know me...  I was born in  a family where both sides of the family gambled.  I was taught how to gamble by my parents.
NOT EVERYONE IS OUT TO GAMBLE...  SOME OF US ARE OUT FOR THE CHALLENGE ...

Anyways...  here I will challenge you to this....   Write down 200 spins in a file...  Zip it and password protect it..give us the password after I have made my 100 or lost my 60..  Give me the first 7 number's from that file...  I will go spin by spin and tell you what I will bet on the next spin ..  You give me the number after I tell you, I can assure you with a bankroll of $60.00 and 0.10 cent minimum bet->50.00 Maximum bet. I will turn the 60->160 before 200 spins...I am sure everyone will agree that that's a decent life to live on...   

I THINK THE LAST POST WHEN I SHOWED MY WINNINGS  I TOLD YOU  I WAS DOING IT TO PROVE IT TO YOU,  IT WAS A CHALLENGE I WAS UP FOR IT,  I CAN DO IT IF I WANTED TOOOOOO...

BTW,  I don't care how you get the 200 spins...  RNG ... LIVE DEALER...even better...    (Pardon me for this..  I know you are old..  I do respect older people in my life) COME UP WITH THEM YOURSELF...

There was a point in my life a few months back I was looking for a job,  I wasn't out to scam anyone on this or the other forum. Got accused of trying to scam..

Well here is what I will Add:  AZIM-> means The great one..  I was here on this 2 forums and a few others to look at systems... ..  Anyway, Once again..  go read the topic where I have said "I want to hear  your feedback"..  I said if I am not mistaken..  IT WILL BE YOUR OWN GREED THAT WILL MAKE YOU LOSE MONEY...  or something along those line...

Anyways if you are up for the challenge let me know.

[Azim]

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