Please tell me what you think of these systems

[know when to quit]

finally, so that should be plus 187

I have to get the jammies on the little tyke be right back

[birdhands]

are you using the term sector to refer to more than just physical sections of the wheel?

[know when to quit]

yes, you can have a sector mean anycombination on the wheel. I am using the chronological order of numbers from one to 38 but you could arrange the numbers to represent the actual placement of the wheel. I have to get the kids to bed now but will be back on here in 1 hour I will try to show by excell the layout so far to give you a better understanding of what I am talking about I will show a picture instead of using an actual file...easier to read.

I do not usually like to start betting untill I have a better sample..say 20 numbers. It is hard to read just a few numbers. The wierd things will always happen to a wheel. I once saw 5 numbers in a row hit. and a few days before I saw three sets of repeats hit back to back.

good luck till then

[birdhands]

Unfortunately I have a 1 year old who will be waking me up in 7 hours, so off to bed for me.  It's been really interesting playing the part of the roulette wheel.  If you want to pick up where we left off just let me know; I would love to see what happens with a larger sample.  You are a true artist.  I'm not sure if what you do is even learnable; I certainly wouldn't call it a system. Thanks for your time.

Sam

[know when to quit]

Hey Birdhands,

Unfortunately you may be right about calling this not a system. Many people have asked me while I am playing how I win....I have tried to explain it but they usually just look at me like I have 3 eyes. This is learnable though. I have played for 15 plus years and just now feel confident that I have a handle on it. Sure lets pick this back up another time.....I can relate to getting just a few hours of sleep because of your little ones, hang in there.

good luck

[darrynf]

hi know when to quite,

I have a system similar to yours i think, and i bet on the inside numbers and using + or - to mark what the pattern is doing, but the numbers i cover range from 9 to 18 (never anymore then 18, otherwise i cant use a progression.

I havent played my system for long but it did well when i did and would most of the time make over 100% on the bankroll. anyway it not so straight cut, but i like the idea of waiting for sectors in terms of 0-9, 10-19,20-29, 30-36.
so that gives you 4 sectors to play, I hadnt thought of playing like this.

so you are only ever covering 10 numbers a time, so say if the 20's havent hit awhile (kind of like a sleeper) then you start the bet on those numbers ? is this correct

I dout the sleepers would get very long like this, whats the longest sleeper you have seen ?
I dont play with big bets at the moment but i can see they would be better. I'll proberly make a excell going down to see what repeats and what hits.

[darrynf]

if you look at the wheel, is it possible to make the 4 sectors of the wheel (which will be 9-10 numbers), in this way you are betting on the wheel.

this would only suit live wheels, or even make this a second system to watch the wheel.

do you understand what i mean know when to quite, you know the old saying, never bet against the wheel.

you run both systems at the same time and it may even help target certain numbers.

[know when to quit]

I just got started only 13 numbers have been spun. There is so much more to this method of play that I did not have time to explain. It is not just playing sleepers but the idea of why you play sleepers works for why you play hot numbers and when. Perhaps in another session I could explain.

23-31-3-25-32-3-36-1-23-11-7-17-15

[birdhands]

I've got the rest of the numbers any time you want to continue.

Sam

[birdhands]

KWTQ,
   Maybe this is oversimplified, but it seems like the gist of what you are doing is thoroughly tracking sleepers.  So if we track 20 spins and get this:

15 blacks, 5 reds
13 high, 7 low
16 even, 4 odd
4 1st dz, 9 2nd dz, 7 3rd dz
6 1st column, 6 2nd clm, 8 3rd clm

then we look for a red, low, odd, 1st dz, 1st or 2nd column:  bet on 1, 7, and 5

is this the basic idea?

Sam

[know when to quit]

Just got back in the house....date night, it doesn't happen often with a 2 year old and a 3 1/2 year old.

Yes I track the sleepers (sectors) and, the hot numbers, but the difference is how you track them. Refer to I think somewhere around page 5 of this thread. I also track for instance if the spins have gone a long session with out hitting on a number that has a repeat number beside it ( remember the paper I referred to at the start of the game) I start betting on them. Today was a record day for the bad.....I started tracking normally, and noticed that 12 numbers had spun without a repeat such as the law of the 3rd would suggest. It went all the way up to 21 numbers without repeating and almost wiped out my starting cash. I recovered plus 1500 units because after the streak was broken the wheel hit 7 repeats in a row. After a long streak of losses I wanted to recover my losses. I had tracked what was normal losses and wins for me and knew that I was due for a streak of wins. So I cash in for 5 unit chips and placed high bets on the numbers that had already shown and had a long streak of wins. Usually people will back out and go home defeated after a heavy loss but I have found that if you stick it out and track your wins an losses it will come around, if you play wisely you can recoup your losses plus. Tracking how far apart the repeats were allowed me to not build up a huge table bet, or better said once a number repeated I didn't bet on that number the following spin. One thing I have found helpful is the art or letting a spin go by without betting when sectors with the same number of no hits are up. For instance. I had a sector on my card that showed a section of 5 numbers which represented sleepers I think it was 7-11 and another section of sleepers 27-31. I didn't want to bet on ten numbers plus the 0's so I waited 3 spins. When the number hit in the first sector I started playing the second sector and it hit the next spin. Many times I will see what columns have hit and if the center has not hit in a while I and neither has that sector I will place a surround bet on that number. That happened twice in one game about a year ago and the number five showed with five units on plein and five all around. I asked if I could take a picture but they wouldn't allow it. I know this sounds complicated but I found the only way to win is to apply as many different ways at the same time of the same system I use.

[harrican]

Hi Know When to Quit,

I have read this thread and find it very interesting Keep up the good work. 

From what I read of your lastest post, are you trying to say that we need to apply different systems/methods and change accordingly when the opportunity arises?

ie.   We need to see when to play sleepers or repeats and react accordingly?

Also. .  can I ask what is "plein" ?

[know when to quit]

Hello,

without a doubt your right. I look at playing roulette as a dance not a system.

Plein is a bet on a single number or 0 00.

have a great dance.

[know when to quit]

This method to me has been problematic untill recently. With some accuracy you can tell if numbers will fall on sleepers or hot numbers but what about numbers in between. If you chart the the way I mentioned before it becomes vaguely accurate to see hot and cold numbers or should I say numbers at the front and bottom of the list but as you know roulette is not just hot and cold. You have many numbers that have been hit one two or three times less than the hottest numbers, depending on how long each session is for you. Something occured to me on how to plot them so I tried it. The results were scary. Three days ago I went to the local casino and made 5005 units in 2 1/2 hours of play not using a progression, the next day I played for 2 hours and made 6375 units. Today I want for 45 minutes and made 3000 plus units.... I forget the exact amount over 3000. The problem became evident of the commotion it caused. I could of played longer but I was getting scared they would kick me out. I will go back next week and see what happensThe problem with this method of play for me has always been to accurately forcast. I know that you can not judge any system/method by a few hours of spins but I was shocked at the accuracy. I look forward explaining how to play this when I have tested it a few more times. I am not trying to brag just fill you in on what is happening with this system....or what ever you call it. I started with a bank roll of 200 and built it up using 25 and 30 unit no progression bets to over 3000, 5000 and 6000.

[harrican]

Sounds interesting, looking forward to your method !!

[harrican]

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