Please tell me what you think of these systems

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Once again I am behind on posts. Thanks for your patience. That is difficult question because I do not always use a progression. Many times when I see that the curve is really being stretched by a sequence I place a high one time bet on some numbers, but always place bets on the inside and try to never gain below 50 units per hit. That means total up your chips on the table add them to your past losses then estimate your win if you get a hit subtract the two to always equal not less than 50. I played yesterday for about 30 minutes and the day before for about 2 hours. A couple of days ago the curve had a series of numbers that only happen every 100 hours of playing and I dropped down 700 units but I knew that it would even out. I came back with a run of wins that was very abnormal for someone looking at me play but it was very normal for the curve. The advantage of plotting the curve as you play is you have a better idea of what is happening or more practically said you have a better understanding of how rare is this event of wins or losses and you have a better idea of when to stop. Remember it is one thing to plot a curve of what numbers are being hit but it is something else to plot your wins. The problem is that you spend so much time writing that sometimes you miss a play, I have only been playing avidly for 15 years and sometimes miss bets because of plotting. If you are the only one on the table do not place your bets until you have them all counted out before you place them on the table. Many casinos do not start the spin until the min numbers of bets are placed on the table. So I dropped down 700 units but then gained it back, plus over 1000 units and then I sat at the table and watched I then saw that the curve was right for the numbers above 30 to hit and placed a onetime bet of 20 units on each number, 32 hit and I cashed in for the day with 1700 units. The next day I only played for 30 minutes, for this topics sake I wanted to see how it would go if I started with 100 units. I will write more with examples in the next post but the curve was running like clockwork and I cashed out after 30 minutes with 1370 units.

JJH

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       I am really enjoying your posts and when I have some free time I will practice plotting some numbers and post my conclusions for you.  Thanks again and keep it comin'

Sam

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Hello,
Small pause in writing, Sorry for the delay.
I will start out slow. Remember that this and the following examples are based on the exponential curve. Before the example let me show in simple terms why there is a curve. The wheel has no memory, no inherent ability in the physical or spiritual world it is just a piece of material that has the ability to move. Let's say you are looking at red and black, 4 spins.
BBBB
BBBR
BBRR
BBRB
BRBR
BRBB
BRRB
BRRR
RRRB
RRRR
RRBB
RRBR
RBBB
RBBR
RBRB
RBRR
The curve is taken from the factorial of 4 which is 4x3x2x1= 24 different possible combinations but we are after permutations so we remove the repeats and end up with 16 different permutations. Now lets chart/graph the runs of Black first. 4,3,2,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1 as you can see you have
1's = 7
2's = 3
3's = 1
4's = 1

I will write more later.

Good Luck
JJH

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I am getting  4,3,2,2,2,1,1,3,2,1,2,1,3,2,1,1,1
But that is carrying over: ex. BBRB  BRBR  I am counting as 2,2,1  Is this right?
If so, then the curve I'm getting is:
1's=7
2's=6
3's=3
4's=1

It also looks as if you only counted 8 of the 16 quartets.  Your numbers come up to 20 total blacks, but there are 32. 

Please correct me if I'm confused here.
Thanks,
Sam

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Hey,

You are probably right...however I have plotted this out in the past and it was always half of the number above....I will look at this closer. There is a math formula to run the calculation but I did not have time to look it up. I wrote the last post in a hurry so sorry about the confusion. If you carry over one set to the next then you are really using 8 number which is 8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1 the runs that end in the color you are counting really need to be disqualified because you do not know how long they will continue...I think this is where the factorial of numbers breaks down in this example. Maybe someone can correct me or shed light on this. The point however is the validity that this curve exists and has to be taken into account when playing any system. Up till now it has not been talked about very much that I am aware of.

More Later

JJH

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Hello again,
Finally did the test i had been waiting years to do. i always wondered what would happen if i played at a live table, starting out with 1 unit chips then when i built them up to trade them in to 5 unit chips the up frpm there. i have been working for years on perfecting this sys and finally felt confident enough to give it a try.  i played for three hours building up and trading in, 25 unit chips were difficult to play with because of low house plein bets (50 unit max plein bet) so i dropped back down to 5 unit and used that. cleared 4500 units and cashed out. ok this is not just a bragging thread..... this sys is difficult to explain but ill keep trying if you want to send me some actual spins ill explain what to bet next and why. sorry for the silence i have been very busy workig at our new school.

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Here you go (glad you're back):
Grand Victoria Casino 2005
7
36
31
6
17
9
10
36
27
0
1
19
5
35
8
32
19
17
5
9
33
27
4
2
33
18
26
16
13
30
00
20
5
14
00
0
27
3
15
36
8
16
33
8
7
7
12
5
4
36
4
28
16
35
7
31
32
3
2
24
1
26
31
19
00
9
15
6
25
9
20
33
31
16
28
33
36
26
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26
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32
24
36
26
7
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87 spins

Sam

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hey sam,
thanks, give me 3 numbers then numbers one at a time. it would be more realistic that way and no one could say i was riggin my play because i new the next spin. it will take longer, but be more in depth discussion. thanks

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You bet.  Here are the first three, from Argosy Casino in Lawrenceburg, Indiana, June 23, 2005:

31
23
3

Really glad to have you back.  And thanks for thinking of us.

Sam

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Quick reply thanks,

First is to set up your paper. Yes I always take paper with me to a table. I found math paper, the kind with blue squares on it works the best. On the left side going down I number it 1 to 36 and then 0 and 00. I usually start with 300 starting cash in but because this is a new wheel I will start with 500. Numbers will repeat usually every 8 to 11 spins so starting on this 4th spin I will place a single bet on the last 3 number plus 0 and 00 this is the safest way I found for me to start out, especially starting cold like this. So in the square next to 31 I will put a 1 in the square next to 23 I will put a 2, in the square next to 3, I will put a 3, etc....

bet then is

1-0
1-00
1-23
1-31
1-3

this is personal preference at this point and no strategy with sectors.

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next spin:  25

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ok, down 5.

one more time.

2 on 0
2 on 00
2 on 23
2 on 31
2 on 3
2 on 25

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next spin:32

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Ok.....down 17,

The sector of 4 through 22 is tooooo big to play so I will go,

0-3
00-3
10-3
11-3
12-3
13-3
14-3
15-3
16-3
17-3
18-3
19-3

the idea is
30s have hit twice
20s have hit twice
single digits once
teens 0

RBRRR

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next spin:  3

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