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Please review the comments or the little red tags in the cells. They explain some reasoning of how the game is played out. I know this is simple but any questions so far?

KWTQ

[klw]

Hi kwtq -- I have reviewed the little red tags many times and it is still not clear to me, is it possible that you can do an example and for the current spin show what position you would enter ( please show it as a position 4 ) and then show us where positions 1,2 and 3 would be for reference so I can tie it in all together ? This should then be simple enough even for me to follow.

Many thanks ...............

[marvin]

you dont have to count a position x.
ok lets change the sectors to a,b,c & d for discussion purposes, to avoid confusion and greater visualization.
first 3 spins are  a,b, & c so write it this way

a  < position 1
b  < position 2
c  < position 3

next spin is sector b
you mark x on b

a   
b   x
c   

and write the sector

a   
b   x
c   
b   

write the position.

a      
b   x   
c      
b      2

after the last spin the position will look like this.

a   < position 1   
b   x   
c   < position 2   2
b   < position 3   

here comes new spin, which is still sector b
we mark x on previous b

a      
b   x   
c      2
b   x   
b      

and write the position number of the past occurance to the latest spin which is 3
and it will look like this.

a      
b   x   
c      2
b   x   
b      3

the latest positions will be this

a   < position 1   
b   x   
c   < position 2   2
b   x   
b   < position 3   3

next spin is d
we write d and the positions will look like this

a   < position 1   
b   x   
c   < position 2   2
b   x   
b   < position 3   3
d   < position 4   

next spin is d
mark x on the last d and write the position of the past in the latest
and it will look like this

a      
b   x   
c      2
b   x   
b      3
d   x   
d      4


hope this helps.

[klw]

Thank you very much Marvin for your reply, it's very helpful.

[klw]

Hi kwtq -- A question --- you expect the position curve to have equal distribution in hits e.g 25 % each of the overall total ?

[know when to quit]

KLW,

Been very busy and have not had a chance to catch up on this thread. In short yes, the sectors tally should be a flat graph although I have yet to see it even if you start counting after all sectors have shown. 2's and 3's are usually in the lead then 1's and finally 4's. But, it could be the bias of the wheel where I play ( doubt it though). I am hoping someone else can correct this by their experience in actual spins. I try to keep a close eye on the spacing and back to back hits of the positions. This is the key to my play. I will take time later to explain this but for now to give you something to think on. let's take 3's position and use this as the basis of the curve. Remember back to back sectors will happen twice as common as 3 times back to back and 3 times back to back sectors will happen twice as often as four etc...etc... the normal spacing is 5 but do not get caught up in "because it has not happened in a while it will happen now", unless you cross your data with other curves. More later.........

KWTQ

[know when to quit]

Marvin on the spins below do you know when the dealer change happened.

I got some numbers from from alfastreet(european) here in local casino.
I did some graphing, can you please check and confirm if I am doing it correctly?


spin   #   sector   x's   position
            
1   9   3   x   
2   20   3   x   1
3   28   4   x   
4   29   4   x   2
5   27   2   x   
6   33   3   x   1
7   24   3   x   3
8   22   4   x   1
9   23   2   x   1
10   31   3   x   1
11   25   1   x   
12   6   2   x   2
13   17   1   x   3
14   14   3   x   2
15   13   2   x   2
16   29   4   x   1
17   13   2   x   3
18   9   3   x   2
19   27   2   x   3
20   28   4   x   2
21   15   1   x   1
22   12   4   x   3
23   8   2   x   2
24   28   4   x   3
25   19   1      2
26   9   3   x   1
27   33   3      4
28   0   x   x   x
29   29   4   x   2
30   26   4   x   4
31   26   4      4
32   13   2   x   1
33   10   2   x   4
34   6   2   x   4
35   13   2      4
36   0   x   x   x



if I got this correctly then WOOOOWWWW!!!!  finally after 1.5yrs I can really see that I can see "the curve"
if we are only to bet on positions 2 & 3 + green.

thanks you very much for your patience KWTQ


below is the remaining 48spins to those who wanted to continue.
read as left to right then next line.

30   17   33   27   16   15
27   15   1   31   7   30
22   4   6   19   35   31
15   0   20   34   21   1
3   13   32   12   33   16
2   25   27   20   4   36
24   10   17   30   4   20
31   5   8   23   12   0

[marvin]

Marvin on the spins below do you know when the dealer change happened.

hi,

theres no dealer change for this as this is an airball roulette.
ill be in casino tonight ill try to get some numbers on rapid table, it has a dealer

[klw]

KLW,

Been very busy and have not had a chance to catch up on this thread. In short yes, the sectors tally should be a flat graph although I have yet to see it even if you start counting after all sectors have shown. 2's and 3's are usually in the lead then 1's and finally 4's. But, it could be the bias of the wheel where I play ( doubt it though). I am hoping someone else can correct this by their experience in actual spins. I try to keep a close eye on the spacing and back to back hits of the positions. This is the key to my play. I will take time later to explain this but for now to give you something to think on. let's take 3's position and use this as the basis of the curve. Remember back to back sectors will happen twice as common as 3 times back to back and 3 times back to back sectors will happen twice as often as four etc...etc... the normal spacing is 5 but do not get caught up in "because it has not happened in a while it will happen now", unless you cross your data with other curves. More later.........

KWTQ

I have some data on sections hits curve and hits on spins 1,2 and 3 are the most common as you would expect with any expo. curve , I have yet to start plotting any positions curves and am about to start doing that now. I also have some curve data of intervals between back to back section hits so that's going to be a big help I'm sure. I get the feeling that you also plot the curve of the intervals between position hits right ? because I can see that information would be very helpful so I will start that as well today.

Interesting stuff and looking forward to your next posts on how you play.

[know when to quit]

Klw,

please post your spins and I will give you play by play. Or if you want set up a time in the chat room and you can give me the spins one by one and we will see how it goes.

[know when to quit]

Hi klw,

What red tags do you have questions about and I will try to answer them?

[klw]

Hi kwtq .....  I understand all the red tags now after marven's kind explanation of how the positions are calculated.

That is a great idea about posting spins or chat room , it's the weekend now and I will be busy until tomorrow afternoon, maybe try and sort something out then ?

[know when to quit]

Great doesn't sound like there are any questions.

[kes]

Hi, i am still not very sure how u derive "the position of hit" in your excel sheet. And also in what situation will you place your bet?

I am new to this thread and forum and hope that you can guide me along. I am playing online roulette whereby the dealers are live and hope that you can advice me what to do. Thanks

Below are one example of the result.

10
21
34
2
19
34
9
26
1
6
24
0
35
13
16
36
25
3
34

[klw]

Hi kwtq -- this is the message typed on May 8th by Steve when I searched for where the chat room is on the forum :-

" I'll reinstall chat room soon "

So not sure if it's even available right now.

I have lots of questions to ask you , I would prefer a chat room if possible it's much quicker as there are often long periods between posts, are you on skype ? If so could you add me , my skype I.D. is        wlk12358    if not then we can do it through the forum.

[klw]

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