Please tell me what you think of these systems

[KapsobaDum]

Hello all, I'm new in this forum. I wanna ask about this system, what is our % target profit/% stop loss?

[litiki777]

Hello Marvin & KLW/
Thanks for the graphs and explanations - I understand this scheme more today than yesterday

Marvin, could you elaborate on your decision of choosing a sector to play ?
For instance, on Spin 7 when the positions were 1213 and the sum were 2,1,1,0 - why did you choose position 1? I still cannot see how to read the curve! There must be some rules or equations to identify the selected sector based on those #.

Thanks

[klw]

Hello all, I'm new in this forum. I wanna ask about this system, what is our % target profit/% stop loss?

Hi -- Are you talking about what Marvin is doing or the curve itself which is what the thread is about ? We are all learning about the curve , the only one that can answer that is kwtq and if you have read the thread you can take an educated guess as to those figures yourself , he doesen't normally lose and stops when he has 3000 units + win.

[klw]

Hello Marvin & KLW/
Thanks for the graphs and explanations - I understand this scheme more today than yesterday

Marvin, could you elaborate on your decision of choosing a sector to play ?
For instance, on Spin 7 when the positions were 1213 and the sum were 2,1,1,0 - why did you choose position 1? I still cannot see how to read the curve! There must be some rules or equations to identify the selected sector based on those #.

Thanks

Hi -- Marvin uses a system based loosely on the curve , I will leave him to answer that for you.

The curve is simply this : you are looking for unequal distribution of hits of the curve. All curves form in a certain way and most look very similar say after 10 - 15 hits. You have more hits at the top progressing to less hits as you go down and it is recognising a curves unequal distribution where the betting opportunities lie.

An example ( and this is only repeating what kwtq has already written earlier in the thread and my own observations )

Intervals        hits
1.
2.                   1
3.                   1
4.
5.                   1
6.                   1
7.
8.
etc.

If you have a curve that starts life out with the following hit pattern then there is a very strong probability that you are about to get a lot of hit intervals in the 1 and 2 areas because remember each interval from the top down usually ( but not always ) has twice as many hits as the interval below , kwtq has mentioned this numerous times in his thread and my own analysis does the same. So you could be looking at now flat betting or at most a small progression for those 1 and 2 interval hits. Of course you have to do your homework , gain some experience in plotting curves and only then will they be of any use to you.

As regards rules or equations there are not any that I can see or use , it is very subjective and down to the individual's experience and the amount of homework they have done so the curve wont be for everybody. The more curves you plot ( thinking of even chances for a start ) the quicker you will see opportunities.

[marvin]

Hello all, I'm new in this forum. I wanna ask about this system, what is our % target profit/% stop loss?

when you already learned 4-5 curves you can stop until pitboss kicks you out. but for beginners you can stick to the 20-30

but learning just one curve is kinda harder than it looks

[marvin]

kwl, i noticed that on an almost equal distribution or on an almost flat curve, the second farthest position is effective.

say you have a curve of 1234 position normally we will bet on position 3 instead we should bet on position 2. i got this from smartlive casino data from alabaha website dated june 21 screenshot.

so its one thing that we should probably takenote

[klw]

kwl, I noticed that on an almost equal distribution or on an almost flat curve, the second farthest position is effective.

say you have a curve of 1234 position normally we will bet on position 3 instead we should bet on position 2. I got this from smartlive casino data from alabaha website dated june 21 screenshot.

so its one thing that we should probably takenote

Hi Marvin - That is interesting.I noticed you did that on your examples on the previous page. I have started analysing this on live spins but data sample is small so far and for me inconclusive for any position to be dominant but I would not disagree with you. So is betting position 2 profitable flat betting or maybe with a small progression ?



Cheers.

[litiki777]

Thank you KLW, I am still trying to digest your feedback. Could you refer back to
nolinks://nolinks.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10230.503 and use KWTQ's "A Simple game.xlsx" as reference. I would like to ask some questions about this data and hope that you or Marvin could help me further.

I understand how to generate the sectors, the X mark, the positions and the Intervals of Position but I have no idea how to use them:

1. Is position 1 corresponding to the sleepers, ..., position 4 is to the hot ?
2. At Spin 13, according to KWTQ, he selected position 4 which is corresponding to sector  #3, so will he bet all numbers in Sector 3 = (12,14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 27) or just the sleepers = (12, 14, 18, 22, 24, 26, 27) ? I guess if lost, he would repeat the same bet with progression until winning or he would re-evaluate the situation and play another sector.
3. I would like to hear how you and Marvin analyze the situation at same Spin 13. What sector will you select ?   

I have been applying this CURVE (first version as page 1) lately at real casinos and it DOES help my games. I cannot get 10x like KWTQ but I lose less (what a pity! ). I could improve my game by guessing when numbers in 1 move to 1+ area but dont know any strategy to tell me that. I think Marvin's strategy or G.U.T. could do but still thinking and learning about those.

Thanks again for your help.

[marvin]

Hello Marvin & KLW/
Thanks for the graphs and explanations - I understand this scheme more today than yesterday

Marvin, could you elaborate on your decision of choosing a sector to play ?
For instance, on Spin 7 when the positions were 1213 and the sum were 2,1,1,0 - why did you choose position 1? I still cannot see how to read the curve! There must be some rules or equations to identify the selected sector based on those #.

Thanks

hi, position 1 on spin 7 is the latest but -1 position that hit. try to visualize and form a curve on the highlighted positions.
my play is not the only way to use the curve.  But as far as the rules is concern, it try to check on attached image.
we  are trying to bet on positions/sectors/doz/col/EC that are near the mean score after every spin.

no wonder KWTQ is having a hard time explaining this as there are lots of way to play this concept.

[marvin]

kwl, try to mix in EC's Black Odd(BO), Black Even(BE), Red Odd(RO), Red Even(RE) and apply the same idea on the positions curve.

say we have the following spins.
on spin 7, you have a good looking curve for both positions and EC's.
positions curve says we bet on position 2 which is sector 4 and EC curve says we bet on BE.
now if position curve and EC curve matches we bet double on those BE on those sector.
in this example sector 4 has the following numbers

20   -   2 chips
4   -   2 chips
13   -   1 chip
24   -   2 chips
17   -   1 chip
8   -   2 chips
22   -   2 chips
28   -   2 chips
26   -   2 chips

so far on my 3 test sessions it gives me a very very positive result.
if position curve does not matches with EC curve you can choose either of the curves  that you want to follow or you can bet on both you can have more coverage just the way you like less volatility 

[klw]

Thank you KLW, I am still trying to digest your feedback. Could you refer back to
nolinks://nolinks.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10230.503 and use KWTQ's "A Simple game.xlsx" as reference. I would like to ask some questions about this data and hope that you or Marvin could help me further.

I understand how to generate the sectors, the X mark, the positions and the Intervals of Position but I have no idea how to use them:

1. Is position 1 corresponding to the sleepers, ..., position 4 is to the hot ?
2. At Spin 13, according to KWTQ, he selected position 4 which is corresponding to sector  #3, so will he bet all numbers in Sector 3 = (12,14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 27) or just the sleepers = (12, 14, 18, 22, 24, 26, 27) ? I guess if lost, he would repeat the same bet with progression until winning or he would re-evaluate the situation and play another sector.
3. I would like to hear how you and Marvin analyze the situation at same Spin 13. What sector will you select ?   

I have been applying this CURVE (first version as page 1) lately at real casinos and it DOES help my games. I cannot get 10x like KWTQ but I lose less (what a pity! ). I could improve my game by guessing when numbers in 1 move to 1+ area but dont know any strategy to tell me that. I think Marvin's strategy or G.U.T. could do but still thinking and learning about those.

Thanks again for your help.

Hi litiki777 -- I was away most of yesterday so playing catch up.

1. No it is more complex than that.You have to do your own analysis of the wheel that you play on , this is crucial as rng and live are different. So far Marvin's analysis favours position 3 but you will have losing sessions betting just position 3 , position is just the starting point as a base for your bet selection.

2. I think he would normally bet all the numbers in a sector but he would have to confirm this. He also adds extra chips for betting situations that he likes, this is what he posted #506

" This will take some time to explain because I never just watch only one point. I do a lot of comparisons. This allows me to sort out numbers to place bets on not just entire sectors. "

Again the repeating and progression and re-evaluating is only something he can answer , whenever I ask questions to go into further detail he seems to skip over them and not answer most of the time. This has happened quite a few times through out the thread. That is his choice of course he has his reasons , it could just be lack of time or some other reason and is 1 of the reasons why this thread has run for 4 years now, it gets frustrating and all you can do is your own homework until he comes back to us but I wait patiently because I think he has something that I want to learn.

3. I still don't have a solid strategy yet so my own analysis would not be of any use. Marvin seems to be further down the analysis path of those who post at least.

Good to hear it's helping your game. kwtq has 17 years experience of this game , I hope I don't have to wait another 16 years to get to where he is lol.

[klw]

kwl, try to mix in EC's Black Odd(BO), Black Even(BE), Red Odd(RO), Red Even(RE) and apply the same idea on the positions curve.

say we have the following spins.
on spin 7, you have a good looking curve for both positions and EC's.
positions curve says we bet on position 2 which is sector 4 and EC curve says we bet on BE.
now if position curve and EC curve matches we bet double on those BE on those sector.
in this example sector 4 has the following numbers

20   -   2 chips
4   -   2 chips
13   -   1 chip
24   -   2 chips
17   -   1 chip
8   -   2 chips
22   -   2 chips
28   -   2 chips
26   -   2 chips

so far on my 3 test sessions it gives me a very very positive result.
if position curve does not matches with EC curve you can choose either of the curves  that you want to follow or you can bet on both you can have more coverage just the way you like less volatility 

Hi Marvin -- Thank you so much for that,it looks really interesting I will take a look in more detail. I wish I had your time for analysis.

Regarding the bell curve , I can see you are measuring standard deviation but of what ? Is it s/d of positions and can you give an example of how you would use that information ?


Cheers.

[litiki777]

@KLW: I cannot wait for 16 years to understand this curve. I will be 80 then and dont know if I will still be able to control my trembling fingers to touch the right numbers on the screen.

@Marvin: your explanation is too high for me. Any reference that you can suggest to read ? I know that this strategy is hard to understand because if it is not, Roulette will be abandoned in all Casinos already -- You seem to understand this strategy very well. Would you like to open a new thread and show us what you discover in Roulette ? Let me study your reply tonight.

[marvin]

Hi Marvin -- Thank you so much for that,it looks really interesting I will take a look in more detail. I wish I had your time for analysis.

Regarding the bell curve , I can see you are measuring standard deviation but of what ? Is it s/d of positions and can you give an example of how you would use that information ?


Cheers.

Hi klw, yes its the s/d of the positions that recently hit, more like we will follow the last 2 positions that hit. and ofcrse we cannot always follow the last 2 its not as simple as that, thats why i mentioned before that if you have the following positions 1234, instead of betting 3 & 4 positions, its better to bet on 234. that would be less volatility for you. but for me as ive mentioned before i will bet on 2.

as we all know, it is better to bet on hot numbers rather than on cold numbers.

PS.
the total number of each position won't matter.  hmmm would it might be what KWTQ is referring about intervals? idont know 

[marvin]

@KLW: I cannot wait for 16 years to understand this curve. I will be 80 then and dont know if I will still be able to control my trembling fingers to touch the right numbers on the screen.

@Marvin: your explanation is too high for me. Any reference that you can suggest to read ? I know that this strategy is hard to understand because if it is not, Roulette will be abandoned in all Casinos already -- You seem to understand this strategy very well. Would you like to open a new thread and show us what you discover in Roulette ? Let me study your reply tonight.

Not really, as I only know one curve(not even an expert), and still have to stand up and walk away when I can see that the curve is getting weird.

although I have to admit that ive already made 2K on 2 sat**days using this concept on a 150BR.
which is just enough to cover my losses on sic bo and craps 

[marvin]

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