Please tell me what you think of these systems

[litiki777]

Is anyone reading this post and know Excel spreadsheets can code a spreadsheet for both the American and the European roulette's?

Basically what we will need to do is to enter the first 9 to 12 numbers of the roulette numbers. Thereafter the logic code in Excel will follow the approach on this post. Basically will tell us which sector to bet?

Thank you,

John

Is there a formula or equation to tell which sector to bet based on the positions ? So far I could see only Marvin's partial scheme but cannot understand KWTQ's. BTW what happens to KWTQ? I believe he is in States now. Is he too busy wiping out Las Vegas's roulettes?

[marvin]

hey just a disclaimer, i am only tracking one curve and kwtq is tracking multiple curve. i stop or wait when  sd of the position is less than one or i dont like the curve. the solution is to track multiple curve

[klw]

Is there a formula or equation to tell which sector to bet based on the positions ? So far I could see only Marvin's partial scheme but cannot understand KWTQ's. BTW what happens to KWTQ? I believe he is in States now. Is he too busy wiping out Las Vegas's roulettes?

Hi litiki777 - Only analysis will tell you what position to bet on and I am still doing mine. As Marvin said kwtq uses other curves to make decisions, he does things like look at when a single red is due or when the first repeat is due and then looks at what position / sector best covers his intended bet, so a position is sometimes used as a base for his bet selection and sometimes as the confirmation for his bet selection. In working out positions for the sectors we only have a partial picture of what kwtq does , we really need him back to explain fully what he does. In the meantime we have a good base to work from in using the positions and there are betting opportunities there if you look , but as is always the case in roulette a simple set of rules rarely means all sessions are winners and to be able to bet and win like kwtq we need him back on here to give us the complete picture.

Cheers.

[litiki777]

hey just a disclaimer, I am only tracking one curve and kwtq is tracking multiple curve. I stop or wait when  sd of the position is less than one or I dont like the curve. the solution is to track multiple curve

I  am like a baby just born I need to understand how to use ONE curve first - Now I stuck at the last step: how to analyze the data to select a 1 of the 4 positions. How do you calculate SD to make this decision ?

[marvin]

I  am like a baby just born I need to understand how to use ONE curve first - Now I stuck at the last step: how to analyze the data to select a 1 of the 4 positions. How do you calculate SD to make this decision ?

generally you just look at the totals of each positions after each spin and you already have an idea on what is the sd of position after each spin

[jrhelp007]

Is anyone reading this post and knows Excel spreadsheets can code a spreadsheet for both the American and the European roulette's?

Basically what we will need to do is to enter the first 9 to 12 numbers of the roulette numbers. Thereafter the logic code in Excel will follow the approach on this post. Basically will tell us which sector to bet?

Thank you,

John

[litiki777]

generally you just look at the totals of each positions after each spin and you already have an idea on what is the sd of position after each spin

I see!! Thank you, professor Marvin ! I dont quite understand how SD can be used here but I kind of understand the curves's theory! My next question is why do we need to use the position as an extra layer of the sectors ?  Why dont we use sector# directly as a curve ?

BTW viewing thru your worksheets in Reply#549, you are tracking multiple curves there (with BO, BE, RO, RE). Very interesting!

[marvin]

I see!! Thank you, professor Marvin ! I dont quite understand how SD can be used here but I kind of understand the curves's theory! My next question is why do we need to use the position as an extra layer of the sectors ?  Why dont we use sector# directly as a curve ?

BTW viewing thru your worksheets in Reply#549, you are tracking multiple curves there (with BO, BE, RO, RE). Very interesting!

tracking via position is just another way of tracking when a particular sector hit
my tracking for BO RE BE RO is still a work in progresss i havent played with them live. as previously mentioned i am still using one curve

[litiki777]

To the experienced Rouletters (I do not want to call Roulette Gurus because some of you may run away  ), I am just a new born in this game and I need a lot of advises from you.

Lately I have read a few Methods, Strategies, Systems.. from this vlsroulette.com and there are some very interesting techniques out there.

I am looking for some systems that can assist me to confirm the next sector to bet in this Curve.  2 systems that I think may help are: Kimo Li and Grandpaaa.

I would like to hear from the experts what yu thinbk about these systems and what other systems you are using side by side with this Curve system or just Curve with multi curves ?

Many thanks!

[marvin]

it would be much better if we can track multiple curve. just now i was sitting for 6hrs(ofcrse with some break in between) yet i still lose 500sgd simply becase the SD of the position is below 1-1.5 . this is where the other curve should have come in.

[jrhelp007]

With all respect to time and effort investing in your posts and practice. Betting based on SD and/or a single curve will not work.

Going back to the days where  "know when to quit" discussed his method/approach in a chat room, he was losing money until such time that he started to drew and practice multiple curves. This is what he is basically doing betting based on multiple curves and you need a large bankroll to survive.

In terms of SD. SD It's not working with roulette. I uploaded to the download files section for members only a PDF called:

Wheel Frequency Analysis by John Solitude. Read page 20 through 21.

Thanks,

John

[klw]

it would be much better if we can track multiple curve. just now I was sitting for 6hrs(ofcrse with some break in between) yet I still lose 500sgd simply becase the SD of the position is below 1-1.5 . this is where the other curve should have come in.

I keep saying time and time again, I can not see where the advantage lies in using position as a base for kwtq's bet. Yes converting sectors to positions makes distribution very slightly smoother than using the sector data direct but for me the difference is marginal. You still get a position sleeping for 20 + spins , they don't streak any different to sectors,slightly less if anything so where is the advantage ? I've spent ages analyising this. My data shows position 4 hits less , but you still have sessions where 4 is dominant and betting against 4 will give you huge drawdown and swings , kwtq says position 3 hits more than the others , I can't confirm this with my data and even if it was, again it would be marginal , maybe the 3/4 factor is individual to his table and thats why it works for him, I don't know or maybe I just haven't seen where the advantage is , maybe I'm just stupid !!!

@Marvin , I'm not sure that you are using the curve as it is used by kwtq in his examples , the curve looks for betting opportunities when there is imbalance in distribution and uses the law of probabilities ( whatever that is ) to highlight a bet , you are betting after every spin. Sometimes if distribution is in balance over a session of say 40 spins then you wont get a clear bet , other times a bet can be high lighted after a few spins but I have never seen a curve yet that throws up a bet after every spin.Take a look at post 543 that is how I think a curve should be played out. It is a more methodical approach and maybe kwtq's experience would be able to recognise a bet much quicker as the distribution falls , only he can confirm / deny this . I say this because I want to save you and others hard earned money.Playing the curve this way is betting on what is " due " to come out and bets will be fewer but this is what he showed us in his original example a few years ago and recently with his " pattern breaking " position bets . Maybe you are right to go with what's " hot " who knows , this is the never ending question with roulette but then it is not using the curve as kwtq explained it originally.

The other thing is this, kwtq has 17 years experience of roulette he sees things that lesser experienced players like me don't so I'm not sure I will ever " get it " and I know one thing for sure unless he comes back on here I probably never will.


Cheers.

[marvin]

With all respect to time and effort investing in your posts and practice. Betting based on SD and/or a single curve will not work.

agree

[klw]

" With all respect to time and effort investing in your posts and practice. Betting based on SD and/or a single curve will not work."



I haven't gone into SD in enough detail to know if it works or not but disagree that 1 curve will not work , if you use the curve correctly it will probably eliminate certain events from happening and highlight events that will probably happen , this has to be a huge advantage over the expectation that all events will probably happen.


Cheers.

[klw]

sorry not very good at this posting lark.

[klw]

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