Please tell me what you think of these systems

[litiki777]

Hello KLW/ In the first version, when KWTQ used 0's hit, 1's hit... I thought I got how the curve works but then he changed to 4 sectors and positions and I lost track. How do you curve the positions or the sectors ? Do I have to curve each the positions's occurrences  as:
Position 1:
1 interval = #
2 interval = #
...
Position 2:
1 interval = #
2 interval = #
...
and evaluate the result ?

Lets assume that the positions are irrelevant, how do you suggest to use curve with the sectors ? I need to know one curve first. Thank you!

[klw]

Hello KLW/ In the first version, when KWTQ used 0's hit, 1's hit... I thought I got how the curve works but then he changed to 4 sectors and positions and I lost track. How do you curve the positions or the sectors ? Do I have to curve each the positions's occurrences  as:
Position 1:
1 interval = #
2 interval = #
...
Position 2:
1 interval = #
2 interval = #
...
and evaluate the result ?

Lets assume that the positions are irrelevant, how do you suggest to use curve with the sectors ? I need to know one curve first. Thank you!

Hi Litiki777  -- The curve is just a way of recording events, so if for example you think that recording the intervals between hits of sector appearences helps you making an informed betting decision then you should do that , and also make a curve of anything else that you think will assist you in doing the same.

The way they should be written down is as kwtq's original example and mine in post 543 , so if most of the events that you are recording happen between 1 and 15 ( lets say position intervals ) then you write 1 2 3 4 etc up to 15 down the left hand side and each time you have a " hit " you mark down a " 1 " alongside of the appropriate interval, after 10/15/20 spins or so you will see why it is called a curve.

That is how it was explained and how I have been doing it for months , you will soon see where has been filled in on the curve and where is still to be filled in on the curve . There are different ways of using the curve's information to highlight a bet but it normally takes a few spins so that the curve can develop to see where these bets are, what I don't get is how kwtq managed to get 6 bets in 9 spins ( I think ) from 1 of the sessions he showed us as the curve needs longer than that to develop and show us its bets ( if there are any ) , he maybe uses his curves in a different way to what he has shown us and if that is the case we need him to explain that.Then maybe again it comes down to that experience factor that most of us don't have.

I personally would curve the sectors and positions by interval as they can both highlight a betting opportunity, I also like to curve the position and sector repeats by intervals.

I dont know if positions are irrelevant , I just cant see any useable advantage over sectors, maybe others can.

I'm not sure why kwtq has used sectors or positions as a base for his bets, are they any more predictable than any other 9 numbers or dozens or columns etc , maybe he has gone up to a 9 number base to cut his variance down , if that is the case then why not take that further to the evens chances where variance would be even less,that is where I am currently starting out by recording curves on all these to see if betting opportunities are any clearer / more often . So for now I am putting less importance on trying to figure kwtq's system out until he comes back , if he ever does.


Cheers.

[litiki777]

jrhelp007/ Thank you for the e-book. I downloaded already and will study it.

KLW/ Thank you. After many days of reading and thinking, now I understand what a 'curve' means (still don't see the need of 'positions' though) - How slow I am!

Marvin/ I think SD will help to estimate when a sector should repeat. I will learn more about this and ask you help. Are you still using your crosspoint technique with the Curve ?
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I always play on air ball machines and the time allowed between two spins is only 60secs. I dont think my brain can process multi curves at once. KWTQ must have a brain of a math wizard. I need an android app to help me with updating the data. Does an app like that exist ? Is it allowed to use in casinos?
 

[marvin]

Marvin/ I think SD will help to estimate when a sector should repeat. I will learn more about this and ask you help. Are you still using your crosspoint technique with the Curve ?
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I always play on air ball machines and the time allowed between two spins is only 60secs. I dont think my brain can process multi curves at once. KWTQ must have a brain of a math wizard. I need an android app to help me with updating the data. Does an app like that exist ? Is it allowed to use in casinos?

nope im not using it lately, im still in the process of incorporating it with the position though.
sd for a repeat? hmmm looks interesting... because right now i am looking at it as no bet.
i used to play at alfastreet too it only give me 35sec to bet not enough time to analyze and bet until i transfer to a table/dealer roulette.

[klw]

KLW/ Thank you. After many days of reading and thinking, now I understand what a 'curve' means (still don't see the need of 'positions' though) - How slow I am!

Hi litiki777 -- You are not slow at all , you come across as someone motivated and sharp. Looks like we will have to wait kwtq's return to show us how to use positions.

SD may be a good tool for finding sector repeats , that and a curve might go a long way to help.

In 1 of his explanations kwtq had worked out that a " single red " was due to hit and picked the position that held more reds as his next bet. This was a good pointer for me so I am analysing single , double , treble hits etc on all the evens chances , there may also be an advantage in analysing all the BOL , REH categories as well that could assist us , the only thing is it's all a lot of work and I feel I am slowly losing the will to live lol. It would be much easier if he came on and explained everything to us then we could concentrate on what really matters, sigh !

Cheers.

[marvin]

kwl, expect the worst, one year before  he came back   hehehe

[litiki777]

Did he leave Guatemala or something happened to him? Hope not ! Quite a cool guy!

[klw]

kwl, expect the worst, one year before  he came back   hehehe

Lol Maybe the Guatemalan bandits have him and have told him he will be released after he reveals his system to them. I hope they are very, very patient ! Lol

[litiki777]

Is anyone reading this post and knows Excel spreadsheets can code a spreadsheet for both the American and the European roulette's?

Basically what we will need to do is to enter the first 9 to 12 numbers of the roulette numbers. Thereafter the logic code in Excel will follow the approach on this post. Basically will tell us which sector to bet?

Thank you,

John

I know that Excel macro can do that but pretty hard. I think someone with PHP or Javascript knowledge can do that easier.
1. Reference for Excel macro: nolinks://nolinks.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=6814.0 for a 'predmatrix' layout
2. Reference for Javascript: nolinks://nolinks.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=4984.0 for GUT method <-- pretty cool

[FatherTed]

Hi, Can someone please answer a few questions,

tell me if a casino will ban me if i won say £200 a day,

and what are the best casinos that will payout and what casinos should i avoid, i am looking for a list of 10 good online casinos that are trustworthy.

Regards,

teddy 

[ggeell]

Hi everyone
Newbie here
sorry for my bad english as well..Made IN Israel
I suggest you try to apply the curve that has spoken on this thread , On grandpaaa way (there was a long thread over here)
For me.. they work great together..Just switch the curve to 1\4 chance ' instead of even..etc

Good Luck

[litiki777]

I have been reading this Curve system. Just one question that  I hope someone can explain:

The curve seems to base on the assumption that the # of single hits would be 2x the # of double hits, the # of double hits would be 2x the number of thrice hits...

Is there any doc to confirm this rule ?

[klw]

I have been reading this Curve system. Just one question that  I hope someone can explain:

The curve seems to base on the assumption that the # of single hits would be 2x the # of double hits, the # of double hits would be 2x the number of thrice hits...

Is there any doc to confirm this rule ?

What do you mean by " is there a doc to confirm this "An experienced roulette player of 17 years gives you free information and you want to question it , besides you can do a rough check in 30 minutes max yourself just get a few hundred live spins and count the hits of 1's , 2's etc and you will see.

[litiki777]

KLW/ Sorry for not writing clearly. 'Doc' means 'Document'. 
I have been studying this method for a while and still dont understand how to analyze the data correctly. I thought someone could hint me how to get more readings but if this is KWTQ's own experience than there will be no other document or reference around.
I usually play for 40-50 spins per game so the data comes out quite different. I can see that 1s are more than 2s, 2s are more than 3s most of the times but not always.
An example of my 45 spin game on an airball machine is attached. BR means Black/Red curve, LH means Low/High curve, EU is the European sectors(Voisins=Up, Series 5/8=Down, Orphelins=X), T9 is the 9-number group as table layout, W9 is the 9 number group as layout on European wheel ...
Pick the BR or LH curves for example, could someone show how to analyze these data ? Thanks in advance!!

[klw]

KLW/ Sorry for not writing clearly. 'Doc' means 'Document'. 
I have been studying this method for a while and still dont understand how to analyze the data correctly. I thought someone could hint me how to get more readings but if this is KWTQ's own experience than there will be no other document or reference around.
I usually play for 40-50 spins per game so the data comes out quite different. I can see that 1s are more than 2s, 2s are more than 3s most of the times but not always.
An example of my 45 spin game on an airball machine is attached. BR means Black/Red curve, LH means Low/High curve, EU is the European sectors(Voisins=Up, Series 5/8=Down, Orphelins=X), T9 is the 9-number group as table layout, W9 is the 9 number group as layout on European wheel ...
Pick the BR or LH curves for example, could someone show how to analyze these data ? Thanks in advance!!

Hi litiki777

No need for apologies it was my fault.

Some good work here and I can see you have at least worked out how to note down the curves. You will notice that from your examples you don't have 1 perfect example of a classic curve , this would be a classic curve.

Series     Hits
1             8
2             4
3             2
4             1
5             0
6             0
7             0

Each series down has half of the series above right.

What kwtq does I believe is look for an imbalance of distribution of the curve as it develops , so for example lets take your reds from your last post , lets say the the first 5 series / attacks looks like this. You record as you go along right.

Series     Hits
1             0
2             2
3             1
4             2
5             0
6             0
7             0

So now you would know historically from recording hundreds of curves that the 1 series is BADLY under represented , do you follow ? So I would be looking to capture single reds ( so when a red appears we bet on black next spin ) until a reasonable expected balance occurs in the curve. That is how I use it. kwtq is a bit more aggressive than me from reading between the lines ( he never reveals everything ). Sometimes recording a curve will not throw up any bets at all and that is just the frustrating part of roulette distribution other times it is a great pointer.

Recording many curves at once will throw up more quality bets imho.

So to sum up , we are betting as the curve develops and opportunities arise , looking at the curve at the end of your spin sessions does nothing but tell you how it should turn out, as it is developing is where we want to looking at.

You are right to have a target number of spins per session as this gives you a consistent picture of how the curve should look like.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

[klw]

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