Please tell me what you think of these systems

[Azim]

For those who want to learn this..  It's all reading material

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[klw]

klw -Yes I'm still here but I don't post much, slightly less than you looking at the stats @ only 1.141 posts per week average over 3 years



Maybe on this forum,nearly all my posts are in this thread only,you seem to have opinions on everything but what about all your posts on other forums ? Must have lots of spare time hanging round ready to post.







The main thing is that I don't have an excuse because I don't need one.

I'm retired & I don't play roulette every day, I have a varied life so I don't live & breathe roulette 24/7. I do OK. This year has been good as my roulette plays paid for a new car. I've averaged around $500 pw playing mainly at Party live dealer casino. The big bonus is the leverage that the exchange rates give.

Less than 300GBP gives the currency leverage back to +/- $500 here to OZ.

My play is on the ECs basic Marty progression with stop losses starting at mid level. I virtual V bet looking for a V win, this stops long strings of losses but doesn't stop switch back losses.  That rarely happens so overall I'll win in the 60 - 100GBP range. In a day I might only play for an hour. Sometimes I might play 2 seperate 1 hour sessions.



Great stuff for you , are you ever going to reveal it totally to the forum or is it just talk ?







As to this curve thing it should have been explained yonks ago "never been fully revealed" is against forum rules. This came up the other day on another thread where the Mod was warning a poster to show all of his method or get canned.



You keep calling it " this curve thing " or " the curve thing " , I'm guessing you don't fully understand it, would you like me to explain it fully to you ? He has revealed the curve in full what I typed was that he has not revealed fully how he applies it . People who don't understand properly are often cynical.







So kwtq has a roulette book. Now let me guess it's not free but if wanted it has to be paid for ?



The section is headed " roulette book " , all systems in it are free, all you needed to do was have a quick look. Cynical !






It's the same old story - If anyone has a successful system (kwtq even said it was dangerously successful down in good 'ol Guetemala that he used to limit his wins & cash out to go & help the poor people of the area. How noble ?) it should make bulk money & not need book sales to make a few bucks ?


Cynical again !





Have you bought the book ? If yes how much was it ? If you have it what's in it ? Obviously the curve thing hasn't been revealed so you're still in the dark ?



Cynical again !




So klw what's your current MO ? Are you playing & winning a bit or not ? "Learning stage for a year and a bit part time " I'm borrowing this from Santa Claus - HO! HO! HO! HO! HO! HO!  Soon in the New Year the Tooth Fairy is coming to visit.




Cynical again ! Are you a cynical person ausguy ? lol

Don't forget if you want me to explain " the curved thing " to you the offer still stands.I'll go slowly for you.

Cheers .....

[ausguy]

klw - Looking at your comments I'll run through them as you've posted them.

Other forums ? - I only post on 1 other forum = Sister forum CC.  Again not a high rate @ av. 1.61 per week over 2 years. I also posted on forum.net blah before VLS & CC but that's been mothballed for a very long time. All these are under the umbrella of Steve & everything, as you should be aware, is freely available for viewing, including my stats. Being retired I could be on the forums for hours every day but I'm not as my stats easily show. I have a life outside of betting & forums. Australia is a great place travel & I enjoy that all the time.

Re : EC betting - My experiences on VLS & CC over the last couple of years reveals most posters aren't too interested in EC betting. I believe that would include yourself ?      A FEW forum members (out of hundreds) have PM'd me for more detail on EC ideas over the last 2 years, non have prevailed & stuck around.

However a new/old forum guy PMd me last week (he's in Perth West. OZ) & he used a lot of my EC methods + a little of his own & he said hewas then going to play it somewhere live dealer on line.
2 days later he PMd me that he'd joined Party Casino & in 1 hrs play he'd got his 60GBP BR up to 300GBP which he's withdrawing (1.To test the payouts 2. Some extra holiday money).

He's gone on holidays for a few weeks so it's in TO BE CONTINUED mode for now.
Also of value is the 60GBP BR cost around $110 AUD & 240GBP profit coming back to him = about $430. So for 1 hrs play his starting balance was $110 & when the "cash out" funds go in his new bal. will be $540.

I don't wish to be wasting my time & effort posting my play method when there is little interest in it ? Besides it's not ROCKET SCIENCE how I bet. Just the 3 even chances (2 x 3 = H/L,O/E,R/B) bet in turn with the last bet as the trigger (same as for the next bet). A std. Marty progression with stop losses after L3 & "V" bets (nil money Virtual) waiting for a "V" win which triggers the next money bet. "V" bets stop long strings of losses but can't succeed on switch back outcomes, that is "V" win, bet loss, "V" win, bet loss, "V" win, bet loss etc.

At this stage it's then getting close to bustsville. Thankfully due to randomness this rarely happens.
Also on the higher level bets I make an insurance cover bet on zero. As I've already said it's not ROCKET SCIENCE, it's just a version of what most EC players already know/play anyway.

Yes the exchange rate is "great stuff" (a cynical comment from you) but not just for me but any player that gets currency leverage from the value differences of various countries.

As to this CURVE THING I stand by what I say. If you don't know how to apply it?, then it's not complete. If it's not complete then you can't play it.
I believe that's where your are at, at this point in time ? I.E. Still trying to complete the "JIGSAW PUZZLE" ?

As to roulette book I didn't realise that's the lead in. I'll have another go at it & see what's shown. "Cynical" you say ? I think not. Too many people use words out of context these days such as "JEALOUS" when in fact in most cases they really should be saying "ENVIOUS" ?

Ok the book is free, so I concede I was wrong on that. I hope you don't regard it as a hanging offence, slip knot, gallows & all that ?

Cynical, cynical, cynical. So overused & incorrectly applied?  Don't confuse it with things like constructive criticism.

As to the CURVE THING , no I don't want you to explain it as my interest meter on it is hovering down near zero, especially as you don't know how to apply it ?

As you never answered my question to you re : "Are you playing (any game) & winning or not" ? I deem that you aren't playing/betting on anything ? At least that way you don't lose any money. You're only an "apprentice" & as you say "I'm in the learning stage for a year & a bit".  Ditto again for my Santa/Tooth Fairy HO! HO! thing.                   

[Azim]

klw - Looking at your comments I'll run through them as you've posted them.

Other forums ? - I only post on 1 other forum = Sister forum CC.  Again not a high rate @ av. 1.61 per week over 2 years. I also posted on forum.net blah before VLS & CC but that's been mothballed for a very long time. All these are under the umbrella of Steve & everything, as you should be aware, is freely available for viewing, including my stats. Being retired I could be on the forums for hours every day but I'm not as my stats easily show. I have a life outside of betting & forums. Australia is a great place travel & I enjoy that all the time.

Re : EC betting - My experiences on VLS & CC over the last couple of years reveals most posters aren't too interested in EC betting. I believe that would include yourself ?      A FEW forum members (out of hundreds) have PM'd me for more detail on EC ideas over the last 2 years, non have prevailed & stuck around.

However a new/old forum guy PMd me last week (he's in Perth West. OZ) & he used a lot of my EC methods + a little of his own & he said hewas then going to play it somewhere live dealer on line.
2 days later he PMd me that he'd joined Party Casino & in 1 hrs play he'd got his 60GBP BR up to 300GBP which he's withdrawing (1.To test the payouts 2. Some extra holiday money).

He's gone on holidays for a few weeks so it's in TO BE CONTINUED mode for now.
Also of value is the 60GBP BR cost around $110 AUD & 240GBP profit coming back to him = about $430. So for 1 hrs play his starting balance was $110 & when the "cash out" funds go in his new bal. will be $540.

I don't wish to be wasting my time & effort posting my play method when there is little interest in it ? Besides it's not ROCKET SCIENCE how I bet. Just the 3 even chances (2 x 3 = H/L,O/E,R/B) bet in turn with the last bet as the trigger (same as for the next bet). A std. Marty progression with stop losses after L3 & "V" bets (nil money Virtual) waiting for a "V" win which triggers the next money bet. "V" bets stop long strings of losses but can't succeed on switch back outcomes, that is "V" win, bet loss, "V" win, bet loss, "V" win, bet loss etc.

At this stage it's then getting close to bustsville. Thankfully due to randomness this rarely happens.
Also on the higher level bets I make an insurance cover bet on zero. As I've already said it's not ROCKET SCIENCE, it's just a version of what most EC players already know/play anyway.

Yes the exchange rate is "great stuff" (a cynical comment from you) but not just for me but any player that gets currency leverage from the value differences of various countries.

As to this CURVE THING I stand by what I say. If you don't know how to apply it?, then it's not complete. If it's not complete then you can't play it.
I believe that's where your are at, at this point in time ? I.E. Still trying to complete the "JIGSAW PUZZLE" ?

Hello again,
Finally did the test I had been waiting years to do. I always wondered what would happen if I played at a live table, starting out with 1 unit chips then when I built them up to trade them in to 5 unit chips the up frpm there. I have been working for years on perfecting this sys and finally felt confident enough to give it a try.  I played for three hours building up and trading in, 25 unit chips were difficult to play with because of low house plein bets (50 unit max plein bet) so I dropped back down to 5 unit and used that. cleared 4500 units and cashed out. ok this is not just a bragging thread..... this sys is difficult to explain but ill keep trying if you want to send me some actual spins ill explain what to bet next and why. sorry for the silence I have been very busy workig at our new school.

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As to roulette book I didn't realise that's the lead in. I'll have another go at it & see what's shown. "Cynical" you say ? I think not. Too many people use words out of context these days such as "JEALOUS" when in fact in most cases they really should be saying "ENVIOUS" ?

Ok the book is free, so I concede I was wrong on that. I hope you don't regard it as a hanging offence, slip knot, gallows & all that ?

Cynical, cynical, cynical. So overused & incorrectly applied?  Don't confuse it with things like constructive criticism.

As to the CURVE THING , no I don't want you to explain it as my interest meter on it is hovering down near zero, especially as you don't know how to apply it ?

As you never answered my question to you re : "Are you playing (any game) & winning or not" ? I deem that you aren't playing/betting on anything ? At least that way you don't lose any money. You're only an "apprentice" & as you say "I'm in the learning stage for a year & a bit".  Ditto again for my Santa/Tooth Fairy HO! HO! thing.                   

Ausguy...  Here he is saying It's a system which is difficult to explain....  LIKE I SAID..  It's hard to explain someone how to think...  Look he is requesting spins from anyone to explain...  Go back to my thread "I want to hear feedback"..  I quoted the same thing, If you lose with my system at that time, send me the spins  and I will tell you were you went wrong...

[Azim]

Ausguy,

PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY.

In Canada,  there is a talk that the Senior's will not have any pension plans..
The Senior's  have contributed to this country, because of them, my kid's were able to get free education, we are getting free medicals..etc etc..

I am not bragging..  Look at my previous posts.. I have said this over and over..  Go to the ocean with a pail of water..  you will come out safe..  Try and take a truck and fill it up with water, by the time you try and get out, you will be stuck in the sand.  The next tide will drown you...  CASINO's are 24hr atm if used wisely...

I can talk about myself..  Touch wood I am blessed..  Yes, I have a period where I am jobless, but I have never starved in my life.  I have been gifted with skills. I don't abuse my skills.  Like I said, some of us are not out to gamble, we are out for the challenge..

Ok..  Enough said from my part..

Once again...   This is not an even chance system where you tell someone to wait 15 spins and bet the opposite using marty..  I am sorry.  I don't know who KNOW WHEN TO QUIT IS.  But I will not let someone bash him for what ever reason...

I hate to do this:

But think,  If you lost someone close to you, would you really care about anyone of us?

I hate to have said that, I hope he is in good health and nothing bad has happened?

Sorry again..  I just hate it when people accuse others without knowing the facts..

[ausguy]

Azim - 1st up why don't you leave the reply to klw rather than answer for him on that particular post?

As to kwtq, going back to May 2013 or earlier ?  kwtq was in conversation with me, not about his System but the circumstances of winning at the "Guanetelmalian?" Casino, how he sensed he may be a target for a hit, a bullet or two because he was winning too much too often. We had a few PM contacts about that aspect so obviously it won't show up in the posts.

The Central point revolved around the benefits of playing outside of where he was, EG Las Vegas. Leaving that poor country & taking his winning system/in play thinking method where he could win x8 the poor countries money (on a currency conversion basis). Plus playing elsewhere removes the local harm risk that he said his local casino wins presented.

If you visit my postings of 7 months ago you will see some reference to that.  My logic was that he leaves the Poor country, wins a good wad in the rich country & he returns to the poor country with x 8 more money & therefore can help x 8 more people. Now that was a win win situation if ever I saw one, provided he won in Vegas naturally.

For me kwtq fluctuated with his contact. With the PMs he would ask for opinions, sometimes reply, sometimes not ? Sometimes wouldn't answer questions sometimes only part answer. At the time kwtq was looking for answers. All I have seen since May is that he's "flown the coup". You say he's looking after some child illness ? I've seen people looking after cronically ill children but they don't do it 24/7 & they do/must have a little "me" time. I'll bet that if kwtq wanted to he would have a bit of time to post here occassionally, there's other factors involving mind function  here, in my view ?

When I criticise kwtq it's mainly due to his lack of communication rather than anything much about his systems/methods. I do criticise the "How To Apply Part" ?

That's my view & I won't be appologising for it.

As to pension plans (PPs) & S (Superannuation) - Most countries that have them (PPs & S) are on a downward spiral.

Due to gross fund "Managers" mismanagemant/apathy of super payees/govt. inaction, I think most people are doomed for a comfortable financial life into retirement. Mainly because their money is going backwards & inflation will take care of the rest.

[Azim]

Azim - 1st up why don't you leave the reply to klw rather than answer for him on that particular post?

As to kwtq, going back to May 2013 or earlier ?  kwtq was in conversation with me, not about his System but the circumstances of winning at the "Guanetelmalian?" Casino, how he sensed he may be a target for a hit, a bullet or two because he was winning too much too often. We had a few PM contacts about that aspect so obviously it won't show up in the posts.

The Central point revolved around the benefits of playing outside of where he was, EG Las Vegas. Leaving that poor country & taking his winning system/in play thinking method where he could win x8 the poor countries money (on a currency conversion basis). Plus playing elsewhere removes the local harm risk that he said his local casino wins presented.

If you visit my postings of 7 months ago you will see some reference to that.  My logic was that he leaves the Poor country, wins a good wad in the rich country & he returns to the poor country with x 8 more money & therefore can help x 8 more people. Now that was a win win situation if ever I saw one, provided he won in Vegas naturally.

For me kwtq fluctuated with his contact. With the PMs he would ask for opinions, sometimes reply, sometimes not ? Sometimes wouldn't answer questions sometimes only part answer. At the time kwtq was looking for answers. All I have seen since May is that he's "flown the coup". You say he's looking after some child illness ? I've seen people looking after cronically ill children but they don't do it 24/7 & they do/must have a little "me" time. I'll bet that if kwtq wanted to he would have a bit of time to post here occassionally, there's other factors involving mind function  here, in my view ?

When I criticise kwtq it's mainly due to his lack of communication rather than anything much about his systems/methods. I do criticise the "How To Apply Part" ?

That's my view & I won't be appologising for it.

As to pension plans (PPs) & S (Superannuation) - Most countries that have them (PPs & S) are on a downward spiral.

Due to gross fund "Managers" mismanagemant/apathy of super payees/govt. inaction, I think most people are doomed for a comfortable financial life into retirement. Mainly because their money is going backwards & inflation will take care of the rest.

Ausguy,   

I will be rude this time and say it..   ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE MADE THIS WORLD GO INTO WAR FOR UNCALLED REASONS...


Here are the quotes..  What are you questioning from him?

sorry for the silence but one of our teachers at our school passed away...24 years old......ill try to be in chat if any one would like.

kwtq - Would you comment on Birdhands post #371 dated June 19 2012 where he responded to your post #370 above his dated June 15 2012.

I quote birdhands post re: part of your post " When I find time to play"

Birdhands then asks you, "How hard is it to find the time to make thousands of dollars per hour"?

By my calculations from your earnings in your #370 post you should be at least over $3 million in profit by now ?  I can only summise that not having time to play means you have a more lucrative income stream ?
Same question I was asked....

I don't recall knowing about any multi millionaires on these forums ?

Does anyone smell a PORK PIE here?   

[ausguy]

Azim - Your post is totally illogical & is attempting to inflame an argument without valid reason "  ......"IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE MADE THIS WORLD GO INTO WAR FOR UNCALLED REASONS ..." ?

As to your other raised matters ? Check out the time lines here...... The school teachers passing (always sad) was mentioned in MARCH 2011.

ONE YEARS THREE MONTHS later(= JUNE 2012) kwtq was on this forum (not away somewhere still grieving over the teachers passing) discussing outcome success of his system. The relevant thing is Birdhands post in response to kwtqs mention of how successful his system/method was at MAKING BIG MONEY BUT "TOO BUSY TO REGULARLY PLAY IT"  & Birdhands sums it up nicely in this part of his post ....."HOW HARD IS IT TO FIND THE TIME TO MAKE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER HOUR" ?

When things don't add up they usually aren't true ? Here we have kwtq doing volunteer work in a poor country with the main help item being money or in kwtq case the lack of it. Then you have the scenario of kwtq always winning down there in the poor country casino & his mention that there might be a bullet with his name on it as a reward for his success ?  A more lucrative & threat free option was available yet he chose not to take it = Las Vegas (or similar) ?
I've already mentioned this in a recent post.

Check out post #370 (as you've highlighted) & discussed by me & the relevant calculation of $3 million. You write in blue "same question I was asked" ... Did you have an answer ? If yes then what was your reply ?   
It was the $3 million refeerence that led to my PORK PIE comment. In case the meaning escapes you it's from UK London area old Cockney rhyming slang they use/used. PIE rhymes with LIE. Thus PORK PIE = LIE. Also often shortened to PORKIES... Sometimes seen in UK crime shows " Your telling us PORKIES 'ol son".

As you sometimes lecture me about reading posts, you should revisit the kwtq thread & read the relevant matters under discussion starting at +/- #370.
Study up on that facet of the posts & get up to speed on it. 

Perhaps then you may not always be looking at kwtq & his MOs through ROSE COLOURED GLASSES ?                        ...........AMEN.

[mcmonaco]

For those who want to learn this..  It's all reading material

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You see Azim,even here ppl.can't get you....sad.

[Azim]

You see Azim,even here ppl.can't get you....sad.

Never sad..  It's just a shame to see what's happening.   

[mcmonaco]

Never sad..  It's just a shame to see what's happening.   

--But don't get discouraged.....it is virtual world.

[Azim]

--But don't get discouraged.....it is virtual world.

For sure. I have seen worst...

[cheshire]

The problem with this thread is more into how much he win rather than the system itself...

[cheshire]

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