Ok, so how do I begin?

[gizmotron]

To me, Arte hit the nail on the head. There is no evidence you can win long term with your so called theory and beside thousand of people practice everyday trying to beat the wheel and still no evidence has been shown that one could beat it on a regular basis. As said Arte hit the nail where it counts on the head while you seem to turn around the pot because your pot is probably empty of arguments. You can ban me if you want as I rarely like to speak with scammers or people who take pleasure to give false directions.

Well let's figure out what you mean. Arte is right on point to you. That means you know as much as he does. I never gave you much thought as to your opinion. You don't seem fun to make fun of. You lack that quality that Arte has. You might be easily perceived as lacking Arte's quality. Let's see now. There was no proof of the counting cards theory before that was blabbed everywhere too. My goal is to talk around my discoveries without teaching it to every person on planet earth. So thank you for running interference for me, as it helps me do what I'm actually doing.

As far as scamming goes, yes, go ahead and lead as many people away from this as you can. I get a kick out of watching people turn away from this. Most of all, that they think they are being scammed. Ha!

"Run Forest Run." - from Forest Gump

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Gizmotron

I would like to say that I always find your posts very interesting and I hope that you continue with this thread and give us some insight.
Thanks
The Spiders Kiss

[gizmotron]

Hi Gizmotron

I would like to say that I always find your posts very interesting and I hope that you continue with this thread and give us some insight.
Thanks
The Spiders Kiss

Really, thanks. Spike just handed everyone the Holy Grail. He said to practice so that you gain experience and what to do with that experience. Now work it backward. You know it's about bet selection based on guessing. I have stated that I  use reasons for bet selections. I use them because of experience. I know how to use them. That is what I'm not explaining in detail. The answer is to find reasons for bet selection guessing and to become very good at it. You do this away from the casino. That is the link between Spike & me. He practices with a real roulette wheel and I do the same thing with a real, fair RNG that I wrote myself. I have my own roulette layout and real weighted chips. I also have ruled out all systems that use triggers or rule based bets. All that is left is guessing. BTW, there is no proof that it does not work.

[Spike]

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[potatochips]

The answer is to find reasons for bet selection guessing and to become very good at it

In fact, your answer is to use the luck factor and you make believe you need to practice to convince every body else you have something. It does not take a lot of common sense to realise you prefer to bullshit your audience instead of discussing logically. Look at Mr Chips's 4selecta system (a trigger based system) you will learn quite a bit in terms of showing what works, why and when it's better to use our 'guessing ability' with discretion. I see you more as a player who's doing his first experiment and has just discovered the wheel repeats some patterns or events what many call the law of third. This is basic stuff but i admit when you surround it with an aura of mystery as you do, you get more disciples. 

[gizmotron]

In fact, your answer is to use the luck factor and you make believe you need to practice to convince every body else you have something. It does not take a lot of common sense to realise you prefer to bullshit your audience instead of discussing logically. Look at Mr Chips's 4selecta system (a trigger based system) you will learn quite a bit in terms of showing what works, why and when it's better to use our 'guessing ability' with discretion. I see you more as a player who's doing his first experiment and has just discovered the wheel repeats some patterns or events what many call the law of third. This is basic stuff but I admit when you surround it with an aura of mystery as you do, you get more disciples. 

So much for your insane bull****. You are just making it up as you try to get lucky. Sorry chump but you lose again. If you had any guts you would let a pro program that 4selecta system for real trials. Trust me. It loses enough to make it not worth using. Trigger based guessing? You don't get anything fool. I'm sharing just enough in order to watch the fools like you reject it. Some day this will be the only true way to gamble and you will be one of the fools that rejected it in public. You are the reason I'm sharing just enough. Anyone can learn how to do this. I've taught my sister in a few hours. She never played Roulette before that. She gets it right off the bat. Everything you just guessed at is wrong. I was on to Elegant Patterns and the implications of that more than 18 years ago. Nobody showed me that. I discovered it on my own. It's still BS to everyone. All you are doing is trying to lead a few people away from this. The reasons you just used, from your feeble mind, are baloney and that you have no way of proving it. You, by your own expectations, are BS.

[potatochips]

The reasons you just used, from your feeble mind, are baloney and that you have no way of proving it

Let's see what we have and make an honest comparaison:

Mr Chips has analysed one year of results (each day has been tested) and his system did not hit the road Jack. In fact, it's a clear winner.

What about yours ? Where are your stats ?  

Have you tested your system on more than 36 spins to declare it's a top winner ?  

Don't bother replying, we all know what you'll say.  

I was on to Elegant Patterns and the implications of that more than 18 years ago.

For a guy who has worked on these ideas for so mnay years (I doubt) you have not much thing to say about it except maybe practice and use illusion to give you a reason to bet.

[gizmotron]

Let's see what we have and make an honest comparaison:

Mr Chips has analysed one year of results (each day has been tested) and his system did not hit the road Jack. In fact, it's a clear winner.

What about yours ? Where are your stats ? 

Have you tested your system on more than 36 spins to declare it's a top winner ? 

Don't bother replying, we all know what you'll say. 

For a guy who has worked on these ideas for so mnay years (I doubt) you have not much thing to say about it except maybe practice and use illusion to give you a reason to bet.

This post is a perfect example of the mindset of a person that has not considered anything that I have shown. I said you could prove it to yourself. And you could easily. I have proof of closed minded dreamers that chase impossible methods in you. Trust me, you are not the first fool to stand his ground without ever checking it out for truth. There are no words that will reach you. When the opportunity is past, you will be the super fool.

I believe the world was flat and people died for the mandate of that belief. You are a rank amateur of a Grand Inquisitor.

[potatochips]

If you had any guts you would let a pro program that 4selecta system for real trials. Trust me. It loses enough to make it not worth using. Trigger based guessing? You don't get anything fool.

You did not reply to this ? Mr Chips has analysed one year of results (each day has been tested) and his system did not hit the road Jack. In fact, it's a clear winner.

People will easily see you are a dishonnest person intellectually speaking. Have you tested Mr. Chip's 4selecta to affirm with conviction it's not worth it ?

[Mr Chips]

It loses enough to make it not worth using

Gizmotron,
 
I don't mind anyone criticising 4Selecta, as long as they are accurate and produce results, which backs up their statement.
 
As usual in your posts you are short on accuracy, proof and no verifiable results, unlike the information I have supplied for
the 4Selecta system.
 
If you want people to take an interest in what you have to say, you should stick to the facts and not make comments, that
have no verifiable factual content.
 
Mr Chips

[gizmotron]

Chips, there is no way that your three dozen system works consistently. The only thing that works is your attempt to bail out on negative outcomes. I'm an expert at tracking any complete dozen sets and how they act. Your sets don't act any different than any other complete sets. I have written programs to prove that you can't beat series in dozens. I'm not going to get into a war of words with you. I know what I know. Some day you will see that your system is not good enough and you will try something else. My opinion is correct. Yours is wrong. You can think what you want of me and my opinion. I've done the work that led me to knowing that nothing like what you have can work. So let the years go by. We will see another contraption system crash and burn and you will probably have to leave with your tail dragging in the dirt. Don't believe me? What about all the other claimers here that had systems that eventually failed. That's you chips. It's just not occurred to you yet.

[gizmotron]

The reason randomness methods work is because they are adaptive on each spin. It allows for pull backs, changing, situational adaptivity, opposite of situation bet selection options, attacking scenarios, and multi level flat betting schemes for effective MM options. I don't think I ever saw systems built by anyone that have considerations for all that on each spin. It's like watching babies walk for the first time. They don't just get up and run a marathon in their first run.

[Mr Chips]

Gizmotron,
 
Your telling us that your such an expert on randomness and that in x number of years 4Selecta will fail. Surely your expertise must lead you
to providing a good estimate when it is likely to fail. You will be doing a service to those poor souls who want to and are using 4Selecta and
inform them of a certain failure in x number of years time.
 
Surely it shouldn't take years for it to fail? You say "the only thing that works is your attempt to bail out on negative outcomes". So it does work
and then it won't work. So when it does work we can accumulate thousands of units profit and and await the expert's opinion of when it will fail
and for some reason it won't be profitable any more.
 
Stand by you people who are making a profit from 4Selecta for an announcement from the expert.
 
Mr Chips

[gizmotron]

If someone would explain in plain English how to use 4Selecta, so that any new person can understand it, then I'll build the sim that tests it. All I have so far are parts of rules I don't understand from four groups of streets combined to make up dozens. I could not tell how to place a bet or why. I'm not stupid. There was not a clear explanation on page one. I'm not going to read twenty some odd pages looking for the rules. There must be another explanation because others imply that they understand the system. So far no system tested has shown a long term win. That includes systems designed to avoid losses. If this works then you deserve a science prize and a trip to Night Time TV. I have every right to remain skeptical. I just watched the same reaction to other so called winners over the past two years. They are house of cards systems. What a laugh. If this works then it will show up some how as a casino advantage that is dealt with by all casinos. Where's that?

[potatochips]

If someone would explain in plain English how to use 4Selecta

I'd feel like telling you move your biz lazy ass and read/test/try to understand by yourself. Don't expect to be spoon-fed like a little baby. Do your homework. Everything is there in Mr. Chips's section.

[potatochips]

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