For Those Trying to Learn to Read Random (As Per Gizmotron)

[rjeaton1]

I've been reading about trying to "read random" for awhile now.  Primarily these are posted by Gizmotron.  I have no idea as to whether or not there is legitimacy to what the results Gizmo's said can be acheived through it.  However, I'm always up for giving just about anything a try.

So, I had a tracker made for me that is in a format I found suitable (easy to read and understand) that tracks all outside even chance bets.  I had this made with the intentions of trying to "read random"...whether or not this is actually achievable is a different story....(in a profitable nature I mean...of course I/anybody can see trends...making them profitable is what I'm looking for...if it can be done)

I would imagine there are probably others who are trying this, or were looking to try it.  If you're one of them, feel free to download the tracker I had made for me at this thread:    nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/my-even-chance-tracker-has-been-finished-you-can-download-it-if-you-want-it/

[Number Six]

You can't read random. You can analyse previous data and partition it to make future decisions - which might be accurate or woefully inaccurate. Randomness can't be predicted and it is unreliable. That is why you can't read it. This technique is about identifying potentially exploitable trends and betting tactically with the flow of randomness. The direction changes suddenly and sometimes constantly. Betting successfully with it is a form of cultured strategy. Unfortunately the people who have mastered this type of play aren't likely to give you much to go on except a few enigmatic clues. Expect nothing more. I wouldn't give you the philosopher's stone either. It's a matter of knowing it exists and finding it...

[gizmotron]

These are some of the traits that can easily be seen: trends, repeats and not repeats in dozens, columns, and ECs, the over all effect of types of trends from different groups, periods of dominance, periods of chop, the longevity of trends in groups, first bet failure ratio, base line comparisons, patterns, degree of pattern accuracy and many more things like that. Now you can throw out "reading" and replace it with "observing."  Now, you have a semantically accurate description that you can use. It's now "OBSERVING RANDOMNESS" for all you politically correct robots out there.

[rjeaton1]

These are some of the traits that can easily be seen: trends, repeats and not repeats in dozens, columns, and ECs, the over all effect of types of trends from different groups, periods of dominance, periods of chop, the longevity of trends in groups, first bet failure ratio, base line comparisons, patterns, degree of pattern accuracy and many more things like that. Now you can throw out "reading" and replace it with "observing."  Now, you have a semantically accurate description that you can use. It's now "OBSERVING RANDOMNESS" for all you politically correct robots out there.

Thank you Gizmo for your input on this thread.  You've actually mentioned a few things in the quoted paragraph above I hadn't thought of.  Oh, and just for the record, (I'm saying this in case it was taken the wrong way) my first post is in no way mocking "reading random".  In fact quite the opposite.

After reading your threads and some others, I'm all for testing out and trying situation/strategy play based on "reading random" or "observing random".

In other words, I support it...I'm not putting it down.  Otherwise, I can assure you, I wouldn't have paid to have the tracker made and posted it for others to use.  I'll have results of my testing posted up here at some point.

[potatochips]

trends, repeats and not repeats in dozens, columns, and ECs, the over all effect of types of trends from different groups, periods of dominance, periods of chop, the longevity of trends in groups

Thanks god, at least you have admitted you can't read randomness regarding EC's. Something no one has done before.  

Maybe, you are not that stupid after all.

I was right from the beginning, you just pretend you can read randomness to boast your ego as the other guy... Spike. Very typical attitude when you are a loser.

I really laughed so much when Mr Chips wrote "you should stick to the facts and not make comments, that have no verifiable factual content." Something you and your buddy have never been able to show for good reasons.  

[gizmotron]

trends, repeats and not repeats in dozens, columns, and ECs, the over all effect of types of trends from different groups, periods of dominance, periods of chop, the longevity of trends in groups

Thanks god, at least you have admitted you can't read randomness regarding EC's. Something no one has done before.  

I was right from the beginning, you just pretend you can read randomness to boast your ego as the other guy... Spike. Very typical attitude when you are a loser.

You just blew your BR. I can observe all these traits in the ECs. In fact, that's where I perfected everything. My groups sizes are 12, 18, 24, 26, and thirty. I also read you. You have a twitch that bothers you. Get over it. I know what I know from years of working with it. Your pest routine will not work on me. Go ahead, save the world from Randomness. LOL

[potatochips]

I can observe all these traits in the ECs

You have always acknowledged the limits of your own knowledge regarding EC's don't keep this comedy alive any longer. We all know that you know nothing   Cut the crap ASAP or show verifiable factual content for a change.  

Prove me wrong.

Don't bother, i know you can't. 

[gizmotron]

You have always acknowledged the limits of your own knowledge regarding EC's don't keep this comedy alive any longer. We all know that you know nothing  Cut the crap ASAP.

Mr. tater Chirps? "We," that's you and a t**d in your pocket. Did you know that people are actually learning how to do this? Are you going to chastise all of them too. We need to save the world from people like you. You obviously need many things to be true in order for your arguments to stand up. You are living in an illusion of your own creation. Your set of facts are based on your own feeble understanding of Randomness and Roulette. That's your problem. You come here like some kind of fabricated expert, begging for answer, and when you don't get exactly what you want you flip out like a fool. So keep up that great job. You are acting exactly like I hoped you would act.

[Spike]

The direction changes suddenly and sometimes constantly.>>>

And sometimes it doesn't. What heading do you suppose all of this falls under?

[Just_Gabe]

I would like to learn about reading random too.  Hope you don't mind teaching us and ignore the flaming.

[Marven]

I would like to learn about reading random too.  Hope you don't mind teaching us and ignore the flaming.

Everything you need to get started teaching yourself is in this section, what are you still waiting for?

Here, I'll give you some of Gizmotron's posts which I've been compiling in Question/Answer form for my own use. It contains all you need to get started.

You will need a lot of practice and the ability to teach yourself from your own experience. If you can't do that or don't have the patience to do it, then forget about roulette. There is no mindless mechanical way to win.

Regards,
Marven

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Q: "What to study?"

A:  Patterns
    Trends
    Dominances
    The global effect of trends
    Cluster analysis

Q: "What would the first step be if I wanted to learn to read randomness? Is there a process that can aid someone learn these skills?"

A: Yes, use a chart to see past spins. Use at least six different full groupings. R-B, O-E, L-H, d1-d2-d3, c1-c2-c3. Do it in a way so you can see what is currently happening.
Learn what the nature of series for singles and doubles teaches you for each of these groupings. While looking at many ways to base your observations of the characteristics you should always keep track of a base line that follows distribution statistics. There exists a normal base line for each group. You can then use that to see dominances. They don't have to be symmetrical in order to be useful.
If you don't understand that then spend months learning binomial distribution, series, and probability. Learn how it applies to a short session of 100 spins and a longer session of 300 spins. 1,000,000 spins are irrelevant other than giving you a base line.
That's step one.

Q: "What would you recommend I concentrate on: 1:1 payouts or 2:1 payouts?"   

A: I don't even bother looking at the ECs. I track nine dozens. Three are based on the wheel layout, six are based on the table layout. I also play the six double streets sometimes. You need a very low costing bet that treads water just to pass through the times when it is not showing an attack time. It's like the 21 players that wait until there is an advantage for them to increase their bets. It's a confirmed advantage in Black Jack.  Did you know that if you are pretty sure what dozen is acting like it won't hit, the other two dozens in the similar group become an EC that pay two to one? All you have to do is hunt for sleeping dozens and you have a higher paying EC in the other two.
Obviously it would pay you to track more than nine dozens. I think I will add three more and make it an even dozen based on four sets rather than three. I'll now break the wheel into three slices of a pie. All you do is commit your non table based groups to memory.


Gizmotron's "Game Management":

Perhaps a few of you have noticed that I tend to support Spike with his educated guessing claims. Actually, lately it has been discovered that I'm almost 180 degrees different than his method while still agreeing with his basic plan. I'm a trend and pattern player that searches for reasons to place bets and then relies on a thing I'm actually doing that ends up being educated testing.

I test the waters as I go. I'm literally asking myself "how's it going?" Have you ever had times where you just win a bunch of bets in long streaks? What do you do with that? Were you ever way down before it happened and have not gotten back to even after it happened. Many people will tell you that this all leads to the discussion on expectations. But I say it leads to something far more important. "Game Management" is far more important than MM. If you do game management right the money you want will follow. You need to find ways to wait and search while waiting to discover those stretches that tend to win strongly.

I go about searching by playing different reasons to bet, by trying them out on paper and/or in my head. I'm just grinding away trying one half of one type and opposite itself as the alternate choice. Whenever you find a dominant system or method working it's like seeing swarms of trends or patterns of swarms in the data stream. Only it's a trend of something working. So you bet on it to continue.

You must have a method that also works to wait with while you are waiting to see working moments. You can test for one of those also. Roulette randomness is a moving target that continually swings in and out of working or not working in deferent degrees of intensity.

So the thread title is at the heart of what I'm doing. I must be thinking and searching as a moving target also. That's the only way to rapidly find what is working. So I'm saying that you need to be a game management expert and play lose and moving without getting trapped by wishful thinking.

I do this by tracking the statistical values for singles, doubles, and triples and how that relates to several choices of bets that would fit that data at that time. Roulette randomness flows between fitting and not fitting methods at different degrees of strength. There are no fixed systems that pin down randomness and hold it still as an unmovable object. That explains educated testing. I never explained it at GG. I tried to but it caused the crickets to sound off. (Nobody considered it of value.)

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Here is an invaluable hint: Don't bet the dozens unless the state of advantage is working in them while you bet. In other words don't bet 12 or 24 numbers per bet unless they are in a favorable state. That's why I track nine different dozens, that nine make up three sets. They still dominate as unfavorable most of the time. But when it's working it's like winning almost all bets. There must be a stand off bet or no bet method in order to wait to win. Of course those that think you can't wait for an advantage have probably not spent much time doing it. It makes no sense to bet the dozens when they are in a state of chaos.

Now there is Spike and his secret method for randomness. He has worked out a method for short term tracking and chaos. The only thing I can think of is that if it is not consistent then it must jump away from consistent results. That has to be a kind of consistency in itself. Perhaps it's possible to make a method from it not being dominate in one direction.

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Marven
A big thank you.This post has benefited us all not just Just_Gabe.
The interest in the way of playing that you and Giz describe is picking up momentum within this forum and I for one have started to see the things that you both are describing.
I thank you both in fact for opening our eyes.
The Spiders Kiss

[Lanky]

Marven.

Thanks for taking the time to do that post for the Forum Mate.

Lanky.

[Just_Gabe]

Thank you very much Marven! I hope you can give us some more insight about what to read, look for and study

I can see Giz's posts have helped you right?

[gizmotron]

That avatar for The Spiders Kiss is funny. Someone else here has an animated avatar, it's banging his head with bloody fingers on the computers keyboard. I think it's Madupz4. My avatar is a 3-D movie that shows that thing turning, rising to the left, and then departing up to the right. I think it would take a lot of bandwidth to turn it into an animated avatar. It was my first attempt at animated 3-D.

[gizmotron]

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