6 point Divisor Plan

[simon]

Hi Lanky, I have been studying and practicing the Six Point Plan and I am confused about just one thing-- When I want to reduce my bets, do I add +6 to the Divisor and + 12 to the Target, or +6 to the Divisor and +6 to the Target?  I read and saw that to reduce bets I could add +6 to the Divisor and +12 to the Target, and/or add again in this way, but I also read and saw to add +6 to the Divisor and same to the Target, so I am confused as to which to do.  I will be betting only the E.C.s, always starting Target $30, Divisor 6, $5 bet.  Thank you for your help and thanks for the Plan.

[Lanky]

Hi Lanky, I have been studying and practicing the Six Point Plan and I am confused about just one thing-- When I want to reduce my bets, do I add +6 to the Divisor and + 12 to the Target, or +6 to the Divisor and +6 to the Target?  I read and saw that to reduce bets I could add +6 to the Divisor and +12 to the Target, and/or add again in this way, but I also read and saw to add +6 to the Divisor and same to the Target, so I am confused as to which to do.  I will be betting only the E.C.s, always starting Target $30, Divisor 6, $5 bet.  Thank you for your help and thanks for the Plan.

Hi Simon.

Well My Friend both ways are correct.

I think You are talking about a few Different Ways here My Mate.

(1)>6/6=1 unit to bet...so Yes further down the track You would/could add another 6/6 to what You have left.

(2)>6/12=2 Units to bet.....and again You would/could add another 6/12 to what have left.

The 2nd way is slightly more aggressive as Your trying to win twice as much with the same amount of Wins = 6.

In the end it will come down to how the Players Tolerance for Higher Bets is when that type of Pressure comes.


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(3) You say Your going to bet 6/30=5.

Now there is a Difference with that Mate.
But before I comment on that could You do say 10 to 20 Numbers with the Lw's alongside them and How You think it should be played.

And then I will show You the Pro's and Con's of doing it the way You show Me.

You don't have to put Your System here if You don't want to....just some made up Lw Notations will be OK Cobber.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[simon]

Hi Lanky, the reason I got confused is because early on you showed example:

Divisor Target
2      5
Bring in new divisor
6      12
New divisor/target
8       17

so that was adding 6 to divisor and 12 to target, and then later you said when adding more to target and divisor, "I always add another dvisor of 6 + 6 more to target" and showed play where this is done.  Maybe though in first example this was for 2 for 1 bets and second was for ec.s and that is why the difference?  I will be playing ec.s so do I always add equal amounts to target and divisor?

I will show 2 sessions I played on ec.s and copy how I recorded it but you must forgive me, I cannot get used to having divisor on left and target on right because here in U.S. the divisor is always on right (one half= 1/2= .5)  So please understand the target and divisor numbers are reversed, also when I round up or down, if .5 or more I round up, if less than .5 I round down.

T/D= Bet
30/6 = 5 W+5
25/5= 5 L -5/0
30/5= 6 L-6/-6
36/6=6 W+6/0
30/5=6 W+6/6
24/4=6 L -6/0
30/4=8 L-8/-8
38/5=8 L-8/-16
46/6=8 W+8/-8
38/5=8 W+8/0
30/4=8 L-8/-8
38/4=10 L-10/-18
48/5=10 W+10/-8
38/4=10 W+10/+2
28/3=9 L-9/-7
37/3=12 L-12/-19
49/4+12 W+12/-7
37/3=12 W+12/+5
25/2=13 L-13/-8
38/2= 19 W+19/+11
19/1= 19 L-19/-8
38/1= 38 L-38/-46
76/2=38 W+38/-8
38/1= 38 W+38/+30 game over

T/D= Bet
30/5=5 L-5/-5
35/6=6 W+6/+1
29/5=6 W+6/+7
23/4=6 L-6/+1
29/4=7 L-7/-6
36/5=7 L-7/-13
43/5=9 L-9/-22
52/6=9 W+9/-13
43/5=9 W+9/-4
34/4=9 W+9/+5
25/3=8 L-8/-3
33/3=11 L-11/-14
44/4=11 W+11/-3
33/3=11 W+11/+8
22/2=11 L-11/-3
33/2=17 L-17/-20
50/3=17 L-17/-37
67/3=22 L-22/-59
89/4=22 W+22/-37
67/3=22 L-22/-59
89/3=29 W+29/-30
60/2=30 W+30/0
30/1=30 W+30/30 game over

[Lanky]

Hi Lanky, the reason I got confused is because early on you showed example:

Divisor Target
2      5
Bring in new divisor
6      12   <<< Ok so if that was the Case then in that Example We must have been playing the 6/12 to start with ??
New divisor/target
8       17  <<or otherwise We can't get this Total.(Unless I did Something wrong )

so that was adding 6 to divisor and 12 to target, and then later you said when adding more to target and divisor, "I always add another dvisor of 6 + 6 more to target" and showed play where this is done.

Can You put the link Here Mate

  Maybe though in first example this was for 2 for 1 bets and second was for ec.s and that is why the difference? 

Ahhh Now that would explain the difference if there on Different things like the EC and the Dozens.

I will be playing ec.s so do I always add equal amounts to target and divisor?



I will show 2 sessions I played on ec.s and copy how I recorded it but you must forgive me, I cannot get used to having divisor on left and target on right because here in U.S. the divisor is always on right (one half= 1/2= .5)  So please understand the target and divisor numbers are reversed, also when I round up or down, if .5 or more I round up, if less than .5 I round down.

Ok Thats Cool I can Follow the Divisor being written back to front Mate.

The only thing is that I ALWAYS round UP not DOWN.

I will look at You sessions and get back to You Mate.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[simon]

Divisor Target
2      5
Bring in new divisor
6      12   <<< Ok so if that was the Case then in that Example We must have been playing the 6/12 to start with ??
New divisor/target
8       17  <<or otherwise We can't get this Total.(Unless I did Something wrong )

.............. ah yes that's correct.  ok so, if I am always going to start target 30 divisor 6 (to start $5 betting on ecs), then if I want to reduce my bets at some point, do I always add +30 to target and +6 to divisor?

When you added +6 to divisor and target was in your Reply 3, 11/18/07, and you started 6/6 so now I guess I understand we add same amount to target and divisor that we start out at, correct?

1)>6/6=1 unit to bet...so Yes further down the track You would/could add another 6/6 to what You have left.

(2)>6/12=2 Units to bet.....and again You would/could add another 6/12 to what have left.

The 2nd way is slightly more aggressive as Your trying to win twice as much with the same amount of Wins = 6.

........... if 6/12 is more aggressive than 6/6, then is 6/30 more aggressive than 6/12?  I cannot bet less than $5 and I want to start at $5 bets.

(I guess ending up making $30 bets after 20 spins to win the $30 is not quite right, when one winning $30 bet at beginning of game would have got the job done-- but, ofcourse you would normally need to get several winning and losing bets in to get to that end point when the final winning bet secures your win goal.)

[Lanky]

.............. ah yes that's correct.  ok so, if I am always going to start target 30 divisor 6 (to start $5 betting on ecs), then if I want to reduce my bets at some point, do I always add +30 to target and +6 to divisor?

Hang On Tiger Your going to fast for Me to reply to You in a way that Others can understand it as well.
I have something Interesting to show You in a Few Minutes My Mate.
There is a Difference by doing it in Dollar amounts and in Units as You will see.

When you added +6 to divisor and target was in your Reply 3, 11/18/07, and you started 6/6 so now I guess I understand we add same amount to target and divisor that we start out at, correct?

I think this is the Link below that Your Referring to.......and Yes that would be Correct.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg266/#msg266


........... if 6/12 is more aggressive than 6/6, then is 6/30 more aggressive than 6/12?  I cannot bet less than $5 and I want to start at $5 bets.

Hhahhahah Just be a little patient My Mate.....as I said earlier there is a Difference between doing it with Dollar amounts and Units.......Hang On Champion there are some replies coming Your way Shortly.

I won't let You down My Mate ........I promise........Lanky.

[Lanky]

Wow Simon Your a Hot & Aggressive Playing like that.
Let Me see if I can Cool You down a Little Mate in this post,which is done in a Passive Safe way.(In Blue)

NOW before You reply to this post wait for the next one to come We both might learn something My Mate.

In the next Post now that I know Your an aggressive Player I will go there with You only it will be done in Units and NOT Dollars Mate.....That way You will see the Difference I am talking about.



OK So Your starting out with a Win Target of (30)

T/D= Bet
30/6 = 5 W+5 <> {+5} Profit>Start again

25/5= 5 L -5/0==6/(30)=5=35 lost
30/5= 6 L-6/-6==6/35=6=41 lost >Div to 7
36/6=6 W+6/0==7/41=6=47-12 back=35 >Div to 6
30/5=6 W+6/6==6/35=6=41-12 back=29-(30)=+1+5={+6} Profit>Start again
24/4=6 L -6/0==6/(30)=5=35 lost
30/4=8 L-8/-8==6/35=6=41 lost>Div to 7
38/5=8 L-8/-16==7/41=6=47 lost
46/6=8 W+8/-8==7/47=7=54-14 back=40>Div to 6
38/5=8 W+8/0==6/40=7=47-14 back=33>Div to 5
30/4=8 L-8/-8==5/33=6=39 lost
38/4=10 L-10/-18==5/39=8=47 lost>Div to 6
48/5=10 W+10/-8==6/47=8=55-16 back=39>Div to 5
38/4=10 W+10/+2==5/39=8=47-16 back=31>Div to 4
28/3=9 L-9/-7==4/31==8=39 lost
37/3=12 L-12/-19==4/39=10=49 lost>Div to 5
49/4+12 W+12/-7==5/49=10=69-20 back=49>Div to 4
37/3=12 W+12/+5==4/49==13=62-24 back=38>Div to 3
25/2=13 L-13/-8==3/38=13=51 lost
38/2= 19 W+19/+11==3/51=17=68-34 back=35 >Div to 2 <Add Safety Brake of 6/30 as below.
2/35 +
6/30
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8/65 >>Win target Now (60)
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19/1= 19 L-19/-8=8==8/65=9=74 lost
38/1= 38 L-38/-46==8/74=10=84 lost >Div to 9
76/2=38 W+38/-8==9/84=10=94-20 back=74 >Div to 8
38/1= 38 W+38/+30 game over==8/74=10=84-20=64 >Div to 7

I would now carry this over to the next session.

T/D= Bet
30/5=5 L-5/-5==7/64=10=74 lost
35/6=6 W+6/+1==7/74=11=84-22 back=62 >Div to 6
29/5=6 W+6/+7==6/62=11=73-22 back=51-(60)=+9+6={+15} Overall Profit

NOW RESTART

23/4=6 L-6/+1==6/(30)=5=35 lost
29/4=7 L-7/-6==6/35=6=41 lost>Div to 7
36/5=7 L-7/-13==7/41=6=47 lost
43/5=9 L-9/-22==7/47=7=54 lost >Div to 8
52/6=9 W+9/-13==8/54=7=61-14 back=47 >Div to 6
43/5=9 W+9/-4==6/47=8=55-16 back=39 >Div to 5
34/4=9 W+9/+5==5/39=8=47-16 back=31 >Div to 4
25/3=8 L-8/-3==4/31=8=39 lost
33/3=11 L-11/-14==4/39=10=49 lost>Div to 5
44/4=11 W+11/-3==5/49=10=59-20 back=39 >Div to 4
33/3=11 W+11/+8==4/39=10=49-20 back=29-(30)=+1+15={+16} Over all Profit

RESTART AGAIN

22/2=11 L-11/-3==6/(30)=5=35 lost
33/2=17 L-17/-20==6/35=6=41 lost>Div to 7
50/3=17 L-17/-37==7/41=6=47 lost
67/3=22 L-22/-59==7/47=7=54 lost >Div to 8
89/4=22 W+22/-37==8/54=7=61-14 back=47>Div to 7
67/3=22 L-22/-59==7/47=7=54 lost
89/3=29 W+29/-30==7/54=8=62-16 back=44>Div to 6
60/2=30 W+30/0==6/44=8=52-16 back=38 >Div to 5
30/1=30 W+30/30 game over==5/38=8=46-16 back=30-(30)=Even

And an overall Profit of {+16} For Me

Now lets look at Your Outlay over both session compared to Mine.

Yours =628 for +60=9.55% Profit on Turnover

Mine =373 for +16=4.2% P.O.T

Now lets look at the difference in Bets between being Very Aggressive as You have and being very Passive as I have.

Your Bets over $10 were.
4x11=44
3x12=36
1x13=13
2x17=34
2x19=38
3x22=66
1x29=29
2x30=60
3x38=114
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=21 bets over $10 For An overall risk of $434 in 21 Bets
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MY Bets over $10 were.
2x11=22
2x13=26
1x17=17
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=5 Bets over $10 For an overall risk of $65 in 5 Bets
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Another Post is coming for You Simon....After I fix some mistakes in it that I did Mate.

Lanky.

[Lanky]

Hi Simon.

OK now that I know You're an aggressive player I will take You down that Road.

You had No Problem betting $38 Bets in Your Post so Now I know that That If I give  You a some what aggressive approach and NOT put the Divisor up until You have to Bet more then 6 Units x $5 =$30.

Remember You need a Reasonable Win Rate to Play this way Mate.

Playing this way is Not for Everyone....The Players Tolerance for higher Units will be tested with the Pressure that comes by Playing this way.



First Session

W-6/(6)=1=7-2 back={+1} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)= +1+1={+2} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
W-6/11=2=13-4 back=9 >Div to 5
W-5/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 4
L-4/7=2=9 lost
L-4/9=3=12 lost
W-4/12=3=15-6 back=9 >Div to 3
W-3/9=3=12-6 back=6-(6)=Even and {+2} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+2={+3} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
W-6/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+3={+4} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to >5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+4={+5} Profit

=24 Bets=12 WINS =50% WIN RATE
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Second Session.

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
W-6/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)={+1} P

RESTART

W-6/(6)=1=7-2 back=5-(6)=+1+1={+2} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
L-6/11=2=13 lost
W-6/13=3=16-6 back=10 >Div to 5
W-5/10=2=12-4 back=8 > Div to 4
W-4/8=2=10-4 back=6-(6)=Even & a Carry over profit of {+2}

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
W-6/9=2=11-4 back=7 >Div to 5
W-5/7=2=9-4 back=5-(6)=+1+2={+3} P

RESTART

L-6/(6)=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost
L-6/9=2=11 lost
L-6/11=2=13 lost
W-6/13=3=16-6 back=10 >Div to 5
L-5/10=2=12 lost
W-5/12=3=15-6 back=9 >Div to 4
W-4/9=3=12-6 back=6-(6)=Even and a Carry over Profit of {+3}

RESTART

W-6/(6)=1=7-2 back=5-(6)=+1+3={+4} Profit

=23 Bets=11 WINS=47.8% WIN RATE.
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Summary.

Overall Bets in Both Sessions = 47 Bets for 23 Wins = 49% (Close enough)

1st Session + 5 Units
2Nd Session + 4 Units
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+ 9 Units overall x $5 = $45 Profit.
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Outlay =89 units x $5 = $445 For a Profit of 9 Units = $45 = 10% Profit on Turnover.

Highest Bet = 3 Units = $15 x 7 Times Only.

There is More then One way to skin a Rabbit Simon My Mate.

And its nearly 1.15 am here Now Mate .....I think I have earned a Rest Cobber.

Your Friend .


Lanky.

Ps Check for Mistakes (I am Tired)

[simon]

Thank you Lanky for your detailed reply.  I need to take some time to study what you wrote.

Really I am not trying to be an aggressive bettor, I have lost enough at this Devil's Wheel.  I am looking now for a conservative approach to make small and steady gains and protect my capital.  A planned stop-loss and win-goal are imperative for each session.

I realize now I made a mistake when the system is based around units and I converted it to dollars.  My units are $5 for now ($10 later if things go well.)  I did not plan on making 30 unit/$150 bets.  But yes 6 units $30 bets is not a problem.

I know you have addressed these issues in your post which I appreciate and need to mull over careully to follow it.  Thank you!

[simon]

OK So Your starting out with a Win Target of (30)
T/D= Bet
30/6 = 5 W+5 <> {+5} Profit>Start again

25/5= 5 L -5/0==6/(30)=5=35 lost
30/5= 6 L-6/-6==6/35=6=41 lost >Div to 7
36/6=6 W+6/0==7/41=6=47-12 back=35 >Div to 6
30/5=6 W+6/6==6/35=6=41-12 back=29-(30)=+1+5={+6} Profit>Start again

First off apparently I have misunderstood the goal of the system which I thought was to achieve the target, but apparently we stop and start again when any profit is reached, not when the target is reached, is that correct?

Secondly I am having trouble following your notes in blue, it is confusing to me when you write "12 back", etc., after you win 6.  I have to transpose what you wrote so I can follow it....

lanky:   6/(30)=5=35 lost

simon:   30/6=5 L-5/-5 (subtotal/total)
       
lanky:  6/35=6=41 lost >Div to 7

simon:  35/6=6 L-6/-11

lanky:  7/41=6=47-12 back=35 >Div to 6

simon:  41/7=6 W+6/-5

lanky:  6/35=6=41-12 back=29-(30)=+1+5={+6} profit/start again

simon:  35/6=6 W+6/+1 profit start again

........I do not follow your last line, I come out +1 not +6 (?)

I want to make sure I follow your notes correctly before studying the rest...

[Lanky]

Hi Simon.

First off apparently I have misunderstood the goal of the system which I thought was to achieve the target, but apparently we stop and start again when any profit is reached, not when the target is reached, is that correct?

Mate I just showed You a SAFER way to play it thats all.
Instead of chaseing the Win Target to the Very End....and Bet much bigger Bets EG: $38 Bets.
You can eventually reach some or most if not all of the Win Target by being SAFER EG:$15 Bets.

I am trying to show You more about Safety and Protecting what You have and adding to it more Gradually rather then get Yourself into a lot bigger bets earlier in the betting and thereby Putting Yourself at a higher risk to lose More.

Yes its important to add to Your Bank but its equally as important to protect Your Bank as well Mate.

Secondly I am having trouble following your notes in blue, it is confusing to me when you write "12 back", etc., after you win 6.  I have to transpose what you wrote so I can follow it....

OK well thats the Formula that I use.........the 12 back is really the amount Returned including the Stake.

By Me using that Formula and having it written down before the Result is known.
And then finishing off with the Return (Amount back).
It prevents Me/anyone form making so many mistakes that can be caused by multiple distractions like...

Pressure from when Higher Units have to be Bet.
Being bumped,
People speaking to Me,
People being drunk,
Waitresses serving drinks,
Looking at woman etc that can happen at any Casino at any time.

Having said all of that in the end its up to You what and how You do things with the Divisor now.
I have seen plenty of people ignore My advice about the Divisor in the past as there will be probably be just as many that do the same thing in the Future.

But its a one way street to making more mistakes then what would normally be made if they had a Formula that worked as well for Them as the way it works for Me.
After all there is years of experience packed in there.....Its not something that was thought up overnight.

Your Friend .

Lanky.

[simon]

Hi Lanky, I followed your score keeping on my sessions by checking in my own way, also saw where I got confused on the profits because you were including previous session profit, and test-played another session stopping and starting again whenever any profit was achieved.  That went well except that most of the profits were achieved by the first bet/winning bets +5 and the other sequences would go for ten spins or so and I would stop at +1 -- that is $1-- which isn't much, though definitely better than losing $.  I guess I stopped too quickly with those sequences but I was playing stop at any profit, though now I see it doesn't have to be that way, one can choose whether to stop or not, I guess it depends how much you were in the hole-- I know sometimes it feels great just to get out of the hole (and/or if 1 = 1 unit and 1 unit = x amount of $, then it could definitely be a good place to stop.)

What I would like to ask you is, since I will be tracking in dollars rather than units because I find that easier, ok so target 30 divisor 6 seems good to start at $5 bets, but what if I want to start at $10 bets?  I could do target 60 divisor 6, but that seems radically different than 30/6.  Or do I have to convert to units, like 12/6, start bet at 2 and convert the 2 to two $5 units.  What would you advise as the best target and divisor starting blocks for a conservative go at the ECs for $5 bets and for $10 bets?  Must the divisor always start at 6?  thanks so much for your advice.

[Lanky]

Hi Simon.

Yes Mate The Divisor can be what You want it to be.
I have shown 4,6,12,18,36 Divisors over the years.

But if You change things it won't be the 6 Point Divisor anymore.
That said its still Your choice what You want to do.....I am only telling You what I can do...
Your choice may be completely different.
Like when You plowed straight through the 2 safety brake in Your examples to Me.....I would never do that.

Now the reason Your saying that its only +$1 if You miss on the 1st bet is because You have changed the 6 Point Divisor's formula.
EG:= 6/6= X 1 the Divisor.................To 6/30=X 5 times the Divisor.

That's why Your 2nd bet when it wins is giving You a $1 Profit
EG:
6/($30)=5=35 lost
6/$35=6=$41 Won -$12 back=$29-($30 win target)= {+$1} Profit.=That's a 9% Win profit on outlay

Now in Units.

6/(6)=1=7 lost
6/7=2=9 won -4 back=5-(6 win target)={+1} Profit << Now that 1 could be any size Unit.
But in this case it will always be 33% Win profit on Outlay.

Anyway in the end You will do it which ever way You want to do it.

All I suggest is that You Practise a heck of a lot first so that it becomes second nature to You Mate.

I hope that I have answered Your Questions for You Cobber....I wish You all the very best My Mate

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[simon]

ugh I am lost again.  Should I start the Target and Divisor at 6/6 or at 6/30?

I want to bet on the even chances only.  I am not going to blow through safety brakes.  I want to play conservatively, not aggressively.  I want to start the betting at $5 or at $10.  I just want to know, what do you recommend as the starting Target and Divisor for this kind of play?

I would prefer to track in dollar amounts but if that doesn't work I will track in units.  But it's the same thing if 1 unit = $1.  If I want to track in dollars and I want to start at $5, is 6/30 a good place to start so that the first bet can be 5 meaning 5 dollars?  And if so, then what should the target and divisor be if I want the first bet to start at 10 meaning $10?

[Number Six]

Simon,
I'm a fan of divisors and have been using them, in some form, for around a year.
The thing about them is that they're highly configurable and you can suit them entirely to your style of play of method. I currently play two dozens or columns and use a 10 point divisor, with a target of 10. The thing is, the divisor is just as useless as any conventional progression unless you're getting regular wins. If there are large gaps between hits, you've got no chance. The bets will mount up and eat your BR just like a martingale. You simply have to have regular winning streaks of at least four or five hits to make the divisor work. Chops are also okay, as you're still winning just as many bets as you're losing, yet your BR is actually increasing. However, in that situation you actually remain on the brink, because at any moment it could all go pear shaped. I can get an overall hit rate on two dozens of as low as 55%, yet still come out ahead in the session because the winning streaks are long and the losses isolated in singles and doubles, which is no big deal.

With the 10 pointer, I lower after every win and increase after every two losses. If the sessions is difficult, I will reset the divisor after every new BR high, to control the rate at which the bets increase. The 10 pointer can be excellent and I think is actually better than using a 6 pointer. Mostly I can keep the maximum bet units at 2 (on each dozen). Of course, it works most of the time because I can hit regular winning streaks that last for 7, 8, 9 or sometimes 10+ spins. That is more than enough to hit my 10 unit target.

This is just my 42 rupees worth, and remember you can reset the divsor or introduce the safety at any time.

[Number Six]

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