6 point Divisor Plan

[simon]

Thanks 6, I'll have to mull that over.  My bet selection is actually column based, even though it's an even chance bet.  I could bet 2 columns because that's what my bet selection is actually based on (black if I have my reasons to back columns A and B, or Red if I have my reasons to back columns A and C) but I always thought betting 2 dozens to win 1 or lose 2 was a risky proposition, a wash at best and big trouble if you tried to progress a losing bet, which is why I am sort of trying to make a 2 dozen bet into an even chance bet, plus then I can use the divisor system (but I guess you can use it for 2 dozens too as you do, if you know what you're doing-- but I don't think I can count on hitting 2 dozens that many times in a row, especially playing against an 00 wheel-- I don't know, have to check my strike rate again.)

[Number Six]

Simon
I also agree that 2 dozens is not an economical bet, and in fact I was discussing this with some people recently. If you're not playing wheel sectors, then the even chances appear to be the way forward, certainly for flat betting. But I'm practising a method that has no rules and so I find the flow of dozen outcomes to be more predictable and reliable than the even chances. I can't see a way of flat betting two dozens and coming out ahead, because as you said you're risking 2 units for a 1 return. You'd need to maintain a 75% hit rate and that is not always possible, in fact it's mostly impossible. So the divisor can work well with two dozens, as long as the bet selection process itself is solid. I guess I could dig up an old practise sheet if you're interested in seeing it, and I think there may be merit, well there IS merit, in the idea of turning a 2 column bet into an EC.

[simon]

I just wanted to know whether I should start the divisor system at 6/6 or 6/30.

6/30 seemed to be a good place to start if I want to start at $5 bets which would be the minimum bet where I can play virtual roulette.  That way 1 unit= one dollar, start at 5 units and go from there and that seemed to work pretty well on my test sheets from real spins, and I can easily track exactly where I'm at dollar by dollar.

But if I wanted to start at $10 bets which is usually the minimum at the real wheels I can play at, then I didn't know whether to start at 6/60 or some other way.

I have a pretty good strike rate for my even chance bet selection-- a decent chop-- win a couple, lose a couple, with infrequent prolonged wins or losses.

[sniper]

Hello simon,

I used to play minimum $10 at the air ball table using Lanky's 6 point divisor. I start with 6/60, betting $10. If loss the count goes to 6/70, I will bet $12. If I loss again, I will increase the divisor by 1(every 2 consecutive losses, add 1 to the divisor and for every win minus 1 from the divisor).The count will now be 7/80, I will be betting $12. I fell more comfortable betting this way. The fluctuation on the bankroll will not trigger a heart attack. There are many ways to use Lanky's 6 point divisor. Test it out and find one that you are comfortable with before you play for real.The tolerance of pain for each of us is different.

Regards

sniper

[simon]

thanks sniper

[simon]

ofcourse, every time someone says they USED to do something I have to read between the lines and figure it must not have worked out on a prolonged basis, otherwise they would STILL BE DOING IT, would they not? 

(can't wait for the edit your own posts as you want when you want function to work, so I can get all my brilliant delayed thoughts into one post.)

[Moccoman]

Hi Simon,

I think when a method fails for us just once it is then abandoned forever.

Last night I played a 6/6 divisor on all three ECs using DBL as the reference and $10 increments on the Rapid at my local.

I know I made a few mistakes, for two reasons. Firstly, you only have 30 seconds to work out and place your bets on the console and secondly, you think that you can grab a few extra seconds by just listening to the croupier, but you can't because they either mumble or are very softly spoken.

Anyway, my rules were that when the target reached over 20 and the divisor was less than 6, I would try to shift 10 units to another EC that was faring better.

So if I the calculation was 4/20 and I lost 5 units making the target 25 and I had another at 3/6, I transfer 10 units to the 3/6 and adjust the divisor to suit. In my case, I ended up with 4/15 (next bet 4 units instead of 7) and 6/16 (next bet 3 units instead of 2).

From previous calculations I have found that the divisor needs to win at around 40% (from any point) to be successful, so there is a fair chance with adequate bankroll that most sessions will be ok.

Last night I made a fairly quick $200 and left the building!

And Lanky, I didn't use the pocket bet, as I did last time. And luckily for me it again showed up less than expected!

Hope this helps
Mocco

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hello simon,

I used to play minimum $10 at the air ball table using Lanky's 6 point divisor. I start with 6/60, betting $10. If loss the count goes to 6/70, I will bet $12. If I loss again, I will increase the divisor by 1(every 2 consecutive losses, add 1 to the divisor and for every win minus 1 from the divisor).The count will now be 7/80, I will be betting $12. I fell more comfortable betting this way. The fluctuation on the bankroll will not trigger a heart attack. There are many ways to use Lanky's 6 point divisor. Test it out and find one that you are comfortable with before you play for real.The tolerance of pain for each of us is different.

Regards

sniper

Hi Simon.
I play one EC using exactly this version of the Divisor and it works well ,as long as your bet selection is sound,as has been pointed out by 6 and others here.
Regards
TSK

[simon]

thank you mocco, congrats on leaving +$200, feels so good, thank you spider, maybe we can actually beat this devil's wheel on a consistent basis.

ya know if you're playing/tracking units and you got the bankroll for it, playing mini-bac would probably be better than roulette, no zeroes, better odds (would have to work it out to play in increments/units of 5.)  just a thought...

[VLSroulette]

(can't wait for the edit your own posts as you want when you want function to work, so I can get all my brilliant delayed thoughts into one post.)

Hello dear Simon,

Please check the functionality, it should be reinstated.

Regards.

[simon]

thanks victor!

[Lanky]

I just wanted to know whether I should start the divisor system at 6/6 or 6/30.

6/30 seemed to be a good place to start if I want to start at $5 bets which would be the minimum bet where I can play virtual roulette.  That way 1 unit= one dollar, start at 5 units and go from there and that seemed to work pretty well on my test sheets from real spins, and I can easily track exactly where I'm at dollar by dollar.

But if I wanted to start at $10 bets which is usually the minimum at the real wheels I can play at, then I didn't know whether to start at 6/60 or some other way.

I have a pretty good strike rate for my even chance bet selection-- a decent chop-- win a couple, lose a couple, with infrequent prolonged wins or losses.

@Simon.

My Friend its whats suits You the best that matters.

The more comfortable that You are with the way You play the better You will get at it.

Simon You a Smart Guy and I can see from Your posts that You are getting this and all You need to do is practise to see what way suits You best Mate.
Which as You can see from the other Guys Posts that they have all found a way that their happy with.

My sole objective in all of this is to try and show people how to lose Less.
If People are losing less using the Divisor then it would be fair to say that their Play has got better because of the use of the Divisor.....Then I could say I have achieved something good for others....which I know has happened in the past Mate.

Snipers story is a wonderful one and it has a happy ending as well....maybe He will share one day.

@Moccoman

And Lanky, I didn't use the pocket bet, as I did last time. And luckily for me it again showed up less than expected!

Yes Mate they come in cycles Cobber.....Like the night We played together it rained the Pocket bet and its like Money from Heaven when that happens......
I have never seen 2 people Win so much more then their starting Goal that Quick ever before Mate....and the Bloody Pocket was still hitting when We finished and while You were sipping Champagne and Me My Soda water..Lmao.
That was a good Day Mate I really Enjoyed it and between us We walked away with over $700 Profit for the day.

Good OnYa Mates.

Lanky.

[simon]

Lanky, I had a bad test run with one particular session which wiped out six other sessions gains.  I got unlucky with the bet selection, you know sometimes the wheel turns on you and just beats you up no matter what you do, so this session I only won 11 bets and lost 19.  Still I thought the divisor system could help me out a little more than it did.

Can you please tell me if I did anything wrong and how you may have played this differently?

Is there a good rule as to when you are supposed to apply the safety brake other than when the divisor becomes less than 3? (because that didn't happen.)

Should the starting target and divisor amounts be added to the running target and divisor amounts when the bet becomes a certain mulitple of the starting bet? (such as, five times multiple, if starting bet is 5, apply safety brake when bet becomes 25) (which it didn't)   

Thank you for your advice.

I will type this the way I write it down when I test/play.  How to read how I record the divisor system:

"30/6= 5" means 30 (target) divided by 6 (divisor) = 5 ($5, or five $1 units-- the bet), followed by "-5" means bet lost this amount ("+5" would mean the bet won) and then the final "/-5" is the running subtotal.

Here's how it went....

30/6=5 -5/-5
35/6=6 +6/+1

30/6=5 +5/+5

30/6=5 -5/-5
35/6 -6/-11
41/7=6 -6/-17
47/7=7 -7/-24
54/8=7 +7/-17
47/7=7 +7/-10
40/6=7 +7/-3
33/5=7 -7/-10
40/5=8 -8/-18
48/6=8 +8/-10
40/5=8 +8/-2
32/4=8 -8/-10
40/4=10 -10/-20
50/5=10 -10/-30
60/5=12 -12/-42
72/6=12 +12/-30
60/5=12 -12/-42
72/5=15 +15/-27
57/4=15 +15/-12
42/3=14 -14/-26
56/3=19 -19/-45
75/4=19 -19/-64
94/4=24
safety brake applied
94+30= 124 new target
4+6 =10 new divisor
124/10=12 -12/-76
136/11=13 +13/-63
123/10=13 -13/-76
136/10=14 -14/-90
150/11=14 -14/-104 (stop loss at -$100.. which unfortunately wiped out the gains of six other sessions that went well.)

[Moccoman]

Hi Simon,

Sorry to hear that you lost.

The way I play is to press on after I get some wins and get down past the 6/30 barrier. To my way of thinking, there is little point in having a target of winning $30 and resetting after winning only $1. Unless the bets start getting too big, I normally try to get down to a divisor of 2 before resetting.

Also, when I apply the safety brake, it's because things aren't going right so all I want to do is "get out alive" as it were. Therefore, I don't increase the target at all, just the divisor. Sometimes. depending on how big the hole is, I will even decrease the original target by half. With limited bankroll/stop loss, in this case $100 I would employ the reduction in target when $50 has been lost.

In any case, the divisor, as I have previously stated, needs about 40% success to work. So winning 11/30 is only 36.66% so nothing may save the day.

The way I would have played your session is:

30/6=5 -5/-5
35/6=6 +6/+1
29/5=6 +6/+7
23/4=6 -6/+1
29/4=8 -8/-7
37/5=8 -8/-15
45/5=9 -9/-24
54/6=9 +9/-15
45/5=9 +9/-6
36/4=9 +9/+3
27/3=9 -9/-6
36/3=12 -12/-18
48/4=12 +12/-6
36/3=12 +12/+6
24/2 things are going good to here winning 7/14 so now add 30/6 and reset to:
54/8=7 -7/-1
61/8=8 -8/-9
69/9=8 -8/-17
77/9=9 -9/-26
86/10=9 +9/-17
77/9=9 -9/-26
86/9=10 +10/-16
76/8=10 +10/-6
66/7=10 -10/-16
76/7=11 -11/-27
87/8=11 -11/-38
98/8=13 -13/-51 half of bankroll/stop gap now lost so cancel second target of 30
81/9=9 +9/-42
72/8=9 -9/-51
81/8=11 -11/-62
92/9=11 -11/-73 so only 4 wins from the last 16 spins

Even though it would be really hard to win from here, at least you could afford 2 more losses.

Regards
Mocco

[simon]

thank you moccoman! I shall study what you wrote.  fortunately this was just a testing of the divisor system on my real spin data, so I can ready myself for the real thing which I would like to do soon.  thanks.

[simon]

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