6 point Divisor Plan

[Moccoman]

That's not so bad then, Simon.

The main thing is that you are ready and can adapt when everything starts going "south". And as you have seen - it can and does.

The biggest problem is to determine when that is and bail out!

Because there are other ECs and alternative bets, you can also split off portions of the divisor to try to recover that way.

Mocco

[Natural9]

Mocco do you have such a high win target divisor is more abolut grinding than for quick high profits

[Moccoman]

That's right N9, the divisor is meant to be a grind. I do not expect to play sessions of anything less than 60-70 spins to, hopefully, reach a predetermined target.

I use the 6/6 formula with $10 as my unit.

Others, like Simon has, converts the units to dollars. So it is personal preference and bankroll as well.

For me, an expectation of winning $30 with a $100 bankroll, is way too difficult. I would expect to lose that more often than not.

Regards
Mocco

[Lanky]

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[Lanky]

Hi Simon.

OK I will do the exact same thing You did only in Units Now.
And PP = Pocket Profit/s.

L –6/6=1=7 lost
W-6/7=2=9 won-4 back=5-6={+1} PP

Restart

W-6/6=1=7 won-2 back=5-6=+1+1={+2} PP

Restart

L-6/6=1=7 lost
L-6/7=2=9 lost >Div to 7
L-7/9=2=11 lost
L-7/11=2=13 lost >Div to 8
W-8/13=2=15 won-4 back=11 >Div to 7
W-7/11=2=13 won-4 back=9 >Div to 6
W-6/9=2=11 won-4 back=7 >Div to 5
L-5/7=2=9 lost
L-5/9=2=11 lost >Div to 6
W-6/11=2=13 won-4 back=9 >Div to 5
W-5/9=2=11 won-4 back=7 >Div to 4
L-4/7=2=9 lost
L-4/9=3=12 lost >Div to 5
L-5/12=3=15 lost
L-5/15=3=18 lost >Div to 6
W-6/18=3=21 won-6 back=15 >Div to 5
L-5/15=3=18 lost
W-5/18=4=22 won-8 back=14 >Div to 4
W-4/14=4=18 won-8 back=10 >Div to 3
L-3/10=4=14 lost
L-3/14=5=19 lost >Div to 4
L-4/19=5=24 lost

I have to Stop here as I only have 20 $5 units as a Bank and Your Win target is 6 $5 units=26 $5 units


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So lets add that all up
24-6 win target=18-the {2 PP} I won earlier = a loss of 16x$5=$80

So by doing it this way You would have been $24 better off then the way You Did it.
It all adds Up at the end of the Year Simon My Mate.

And the only Two differences were I did it in Units and not Dollars.
And I refuse to give back to the Casino the Pocket Profits = (PP)

I will do a couple of  more posts for You Simon as soon as I get time with references to earlier post about the Divisor in this section that You may have not seen yet.

Then that will give You some more options to look at and consider.
I will use these exact same Lw notations of Your results that are here as well Mate.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[ozshabs]

That's right N9, the divisor is meant to be a grind. I do not expect to play sessions of anything less than 60-70 spins to, hopefully, reach a predetermined target.

I use the 6/6 formula with $10 as my unit.

Others, like Simon has, converts the units to dollars. So it is personal preference and bankroll as well.

For me, an expectation of winning $30 with a $100 bankroll, is way too difficult. I would expect to lose that more often than not.

Regards
Mocco

Hi Mocco

when you play the ECs, do you bet every spin or do you track the Lw notations and bet accordingly?

Cheers

[Moccoman]

Hi Oz,

I play every spin, except when the zero hits I wait out the next 2 spins, so that I can get back to the normal DBL.

If I had time between spins I could, or would, play the LWs, but with only 30 seconds to recalculate and place the bets, there is no time. The pressure is on and can become both confusing and stressful.

It would be much easier (and enjoyable) to be able to play at a table but the minimum bet on ECs is $25, so the bankroll needs to be much bigger.

Playing the Rapid Roulette on all 3 ECs I try to get 9 units ($90) in front. If I can do that then I reset everything back to 6/6.

Hope that helps.

Mocco

[ozshabs]

mocco

thanks for replying. It did help.

I can imagine what you go through with 30 sec window to bet three ec's as well as doing the divisor plan. One has to be expert at multi-tasking!! Great stuff. Keep on winning, mate.

Cheersw

[simon]

At the beginning of this thread the statement was made.... "Also, you MUST win in the end! On any reasonable set of selections, you will eventually back winners whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit."

What does that mean... "whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit" ?

and what is the rationale behind the statement that you "...MUST win in the end!" ?

when you apply the safety brake and up the target and divisor, or just the divisor, all you are doing is lowering your bets with greater losses to recover, which cannot work unless for some reason you start hitting above average expectation/strike rate, in which case you could have won by flat betting if you have such a good bet selection.  confused.

[Marven]

You're right simon, if you hit a bad run, you will need that streak/concentration of wins to get you out of the hole. Otherwise, if you remain in that long concentration of losses, your bets will keep growing higher and higher. So you need a bet selection that guarantees that such a situation will never happen.

All in all, I've found flat-betting to suit my own bet selection better than anything else, I.e. provides the best risk/return ratio. Others do fine with the divisor.

[Lanky]

Hi Simon.

The aim of the Six Point Plan is to win six betting units every time the punter backs a winner, or winners, whose odds total six.

(or Sometimes More depending on what You Divisor is and what the Win target is set at the time)

OK Simon My Mate lets look at some things here and see if I can help You by way of trying to explain it.

Lets go a bit deeper and delve into the Divisor where it is mentioned in that article after a series of losses and is now at 12/72

I will play it in an aggressive type style like the Author of that Article did.
By way of subtracting the Odds of the Winning bet from the Divisor.

And I will do it His way not the way I Tweaked it to suit Me when I play other forms of gambling like Roulette or Baccarat etc

Here We go Cobber.

L-6/(12)=2=14
L-6/14=3=17
L-6/17=3=20
L-6/20=4=24
L-6/24=4=28
L-6/28=5=33
L-6/33=6=39
L-6/39=7=46
L-6/46=8=54
L-6/54=9=63

Safety Brake gets added here.
So its
6/63+
6/(12) <extra Win Target<>Actual Win target is now (24)
...........
12/75

L-12/75=7=82 Lost <<That's 11 Losses in a Row

Now We will add some winners to show You the point about Combined odds.
We Continue with the L from above

W-12/82=7=89 won at 2/1=21 Return=68
W-10/68=7=75 won at 2/1=21 Return=54
W-8/54=7=61 won at 2/1=21 return=40
W-6/40=7=47 won at 2/1=21 return=26  << You are Minus 2 Here because Your Win target is (24)

So to here We have had 11 losses and 4 wins=26.6% win rate

However for the sake of the how it was written in the article I will continue.

W-4/26=7=33 won at 2/1=21 return=12-(24) Win Target << ok now Your winning {+12} Profit

I would stop and Restart for sure and certain.

Ok lets now see what has happened.
There was 16 bets for 5 Wins=31.25% Win Rate.
But the Combined Odds of those Winners Totalled 10/1
........................................................................

Ok now lets look at the exact same thing only this time we will look at the price or the Odds of the winner being at 5/1 something like playing the Lines or Double streets like Chicken Dinner did at one time.

L-6/(12)=2=14
L-6/14=3=17
L-6/17=3=20
L-6/20=4=24
L-6/24=4=28
L-6/28=5=33
L-6/33=6=39
L-6/39=7=46
L-6/46=8=54
L-6/54=9=63

Safety Brake gets added here.
So its

6/63+
6/(12) <extra Win Target <>Actual Win target is now (24)
...........
12/75

L-12/75=7=82 Lost<<That's 11 Losses in a Row

Now We will add some winners to show You the point about Combined odds.
We Continue with the L from above

W-12/82=7=89 Won at 5/1=42 return=47
W-7/47=7=54 Won at 5/1=42 return=12-(24) win target={+12 Profit}

So now we have had 2 Wins in 13 bets=15.4% Win rate.
But the winners Odds of the bets totalled 10/1

And that is what is meant by this statement below which is from that article.

Also, you MUST win in the end! On any reasonable set of selections, you will eventually back winners whose combined total odds will wipe out the divisor and produce the desired profit.

And we did not even go to the end at both times to get to the Combined odds as the Author suggested.

We did not need to....We were already winning Mate.

Simon when I win or Break even I restart again Mate.


However everybody is different and they will play the Divisor differently then another person does.

And If You decide to play it You will find a way that suits You as well.

Here are some more links for You to look over My Mate.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg24316/#msg24316


nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg41318/#msg41318


nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/msg65496/#msg65496


They may give You some ideas or they may simply spark something off in You that would make You improve the Divisor even more.
Who Knows Mate....Its happened before...there have been heaps of tweaks to the Divisor to suit other players way of betting since it was invented back in the 1930's.

And You may just be one of those people that may do something that helps others even more.

I hope I have been of some help to You My Friend.

Lanky.

[simon]

I don't understand what "..the Combined Odds of those Winners Totalled 10/1.." means.  What does ten slash one mean exactly?

yesterday I tried playing for real.  I brought $500 and put $100 into the virtual roulette machine which is a very fast double zeroe wheel.  you would not believe what my first 4 spins were.  all zeroes one right after another (0 or 00).  I said "WTF?!"  the 2 other guys there laughed.  later one of them finally won on a hit on the zeroes which kept coming a little too much.  things weren't going well and I was down almost $100 and told myself I was leaving this machine and going to the other one as soon as/if I got my money back.  I fought my way out of that machine, did get my $100 back without having to put any more in and went to another machine.  I put $100 in the next machine and made $50 after not too long and decided to leave, because I needed to organize a few things a little better before I continued, and I had some time constraints.  between my bet selection and the divisor and the speed of the spins I was losing track of the divisor calculations.  but this is no problem, I like that the virtual roulette machine goes quicker than real roulette.  I just needed to organize my play sheet a little better for my particular betting, etc. which I have done and and I am ready to go back and give it another go and keep track of the divisor better this time.  It is a little tricky because with my particular bet selections I often bet on more than one even chance at the same time so I have to run a few divisor calculations at once.  Later....

[Moccoman]

Good luck with that, Simon.

You will now realise that you really have to be on your game when the results are coming thick and fast.

And, of course, distractions need to be kept to an absolute minimum.

Also, I always play the "safety brake" by increasing the divisor but not the target, as I believe I'm in a hole and need to get out with as little pain as possible.

Mocco

[Lanky]

Hi Simon.

I don't understand what "..the Combined Odds of those Winners Totalled 10/1.." means.  What does ten slash one mean exactly?

Mate you may understand it better if I put it this way.

2/1= 2 to 1 <>its the same odds as if You were betting on either a Single Dozen or a Single Column.

If You were to have a unit on a winning Dozen for example.
Your outlay would be 1 and Your return would be 3 So you would Win 2 units.
So now if I say it this way (You have Won 2 units for every 1 Unit you bet)
You would have got 2/1 in Odds.

Now in that Example that I did You had 5 winners x 2 (Or 2/1)=10 <> or its (10/1) in total odds of the winners.

I hope that has explained things for You better Mate.

Lanky.

[simon]

well I hate to rain on this parade, especially after all your great input Lanky which I really appreciate, but I read some articles that convinced me that any kind of progression or money management system is useless, and basically the bottom line is if you can't beat something by flat betting you aint gonna beat it any other way.

there are several articles about this that can be read at bjmath.com/bjmath/progress/progress.htm

if you don't want to be discouraged, don't read them.

the article just called "Progression Betting" by Mike Lea explains things quite well (unfortunately.)

[simon]

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