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[John1234]

Hi John,

I tested this a lot yesterday and I found that I get the exact same WL ratio as with any other method of bet selection.

In my opinion the best thing to look for is to find a fairly balanced method, and use Lanky's 6 point divisor method for the betting.

All you need for that is 50% wins and 50% loses and you will profit guaranteed. These new rules you have brought in could work very well.

But the divisor plan is key I think.

Regards
Diarmaid

yes before I added the new rules my strike rate was not so good. Now it has improved a lot. And I agree the divisor plan is key and the new rules also seem to be key.

hmm the  divisor  plan  is prevent your  bankroll from bad  wawes I thing  it is  realy  good  idea

You are right. And in the last 3 shoes I played, the divisor plan did that. My highest bet was only 1.8 units and I made many mistakes because of getting distracted, which lead to some losing bets.

The bad waves are kept to a min because we are betting on both the losing and the winning sides. So 6 wins can come pretty fast. The hardest part is understanding which side you need to be betting. It can get confusing at times.





I will be explaining how I played the divisor when I get back from class.

[John1234]

I have a little bit of time so I am going to explain how I am playing the 6pt divisor and then I will recap betting with the W's and L's because that can get confusing. I suggest that you read the next post even if you think you understand the W/L part of the system. It may be better to read that post first.

6pt Divisor:

I am not exactly sure how to play the 6pt divisor. I do not think I am playing it the correct way but the way that I have been playing  has been working. I will explain the way that I am playing it.

My win goal for a shoe is between 4-6 units after commission. I play the min bet which is $5.00. So this means that my win goal is between 20-30 dollars usually after commission unless it is a hard shoe.

The max win goal is $30.00. The goal is to win the $30 dollars in 6 bets. 6 goes into 30 five times (5*6=30)so the  min bet will start at 5 dollars.

When you lose you add your current bet to the win goal. So if you lose the first bet then the target becomes 35. The new bet will be 5.8 dolls which is rounded up to 6 dollars.

If the second bet losses then you ad 6 to 35. 35+6=41. The target is still 6 wins. So the new bet will be 6.8 dollars which is rounded up to 7. I always round up to the nearest dollars until I get to the 9 dollar bet.

If you lose then you follow the same process. always adding the amount that you lost the the target win goal.


If you Win then you keep the bet at the same amount. This is an aspect of the progression that I don't think I play the correct way.

so if you start at 1 unit and you have 6 straight wins then you will not have to raise your bet at all.

Lets say that you are making a 9 dollar bet. This is a 1.8 unit bet.
1.) Lost first 5 dollar bet. Target up to 35.
2.) Lost 6 dollar bet. Target up to 41.
3.) Lost 7 dollar bet. Target up to 48.
4.) Lost 8 dollar bet. Target up to 57 now at this point I make a 9 dollar bet. 6 can go into 57 about 9.5 times. So I begin to round down at this pint.
5.) you win your 9 dollar bet. The target is now reduced. but you continue to make the 9 dollar bet until you reach your win goal.

As you make your bets keep track of the win goal. If you win (3) 9 dollar bets then the new win goal is 57-(3*9) which is 30.

If you lose the 4th 9 dollar bet then the new win goal is 39. continue to make the 9 dollar bet until you either win your six bets or the target reaches 57. If you reach 57 then you get to make one more 9 dollar bet because you are back to where you were when you made your first 9 dollar bet. If you lose this bet then your bet goes up along with your target.


Safety nets: If you suffer a lot of losses then add in the safety nets. I will not explain how this is played because there is a thread dedicated to this progression that goes into great detail about the safety nets. But basically you decide how much you are willing to bet and when you reach that number you  up the divisor. So maybe instead of trying to win 6 bets you try to win 8 bets. So your new divisor is 8.


Here is an example of my betting pattern. I always start at the table min ($5.00)

Target= 30 in 6 bets.

Bet 1: $5 dollars
Bet 2: $6 dollars target =35
bet 3; $7 dollars target= 41
bet 3: $8 dollars target= 48
bet 4: $9 dollars target = 57 (now rounding cents down)
bet 5: $11 dollars target = 68

Safety net: New divisor 8. 8 can go into 68, 8.5 times.

Bet 6: $8 dollars, target= 68
Bet 7: $9 dollars, target= 76
Bet 8: $10 dollars, target=86
Bet 9: 11 dollars

safety Net and so on


So that is how I play it. Some parts of it are not true to the correct way of playing the 6pt divisor. If you would like to play the 6pt divisor the correct way then there is a good thread about it on this site.

I'll recap the betting next.

[John1234]

Now I will recap the betting with the W's and L's. I am doing this because it can get confusing at times.

First it is important to understand that there are 2 types of bets. The bets are same and different.

1.) Same: You bet for the current shoe to be the same as the previous shoe.
2.) Different:  You bet for the current shoe to be different from the previous shoe.

Determining whether to bet same or different: to determine whether to bet same or different you simply look at the most recent decision. The most recent decision will either be same as the previous shoe or different than the previous shoe. If it was the same as the last shoe then you bet for the next decision of the current shoe to be the same as the next decision of the previous shoe. However, if the most recent decision was different than the last shoe then you bet for the next decision of the current shoe to be different than the next decision of the previous shoe.

Example:

Shoe A     Shoe B
B            B (S) bet that next decision will be the same
B            B (S) Win. bet, next decision to be the same
P            P (S) win. Bet next decision to be the same
P            B (d) Lose, bet next decision to be different
B            p (d) Win, bet next decision to be different from the previous shoe
P            b (d) win same bet
P           p (s) Lose, now betting same
P            b(d) Lose, now betting different
p           b (d) win


that is an simple explanation of how you should be looking back at the previous results.


Following the W/L rule:

we will not be betting ever single decision. we will wait until we see a trend of wins or a trend of losses and then we will attempt to jump on that trend. This means that Wins will be wins and losses will be wins. It is important to understand the meaning of W and L.

W: This is a win. It means that you are winning your bets when you bet the W side and losing your bets when you bet the L side. When you bet for W you are going by the most recent decision. this means that you will still be betting for either the same or different as previous shoe.

Example of W:
Shoe 1     Shoe 2
P            P same, bet W
P            P (s) W. Same so bet same
B            B (s) W. continue to bet same.
P            P (s) W. Continue to bet same
P            B (d) L. Different. So now bet different.
B            P (d) W. Different won again so continue to bet different

So when you get a W, you are winning based off what the most result says to do.

L: An L is a loss. However, when we jump on an L trend we will be looking for the L side to win, but L will still be recorded as a Loss.

When you are playing the L side you are basically playing the opposite of what the W rule say to do. So you will be the OPPOSITE of what the most decision dictates.

Example of L. Remember, for the example I am only playing the L side. So I will be playing the opposite of what the previous decision says to do.

Shoe A     Shoe B
P             P bet opposite since you are playing L side.
P             B (d) L. (You won this bet) This is the previous outcome. it says to bet different. But you will bet same.
B             B (S) L. (You won this bet) It says to bet same but you will be different
B             P (d) L. (You won this bet) it says to bet different but you will be same
P             b (d) W. (you LOST this bet) it says to bet different but you will bet same again
P             P (s) L. (you WON this bet) it says to bet same but you will bet different
B             P (d) L. YOU WON THIS BET. You will bet same even though it says to bet different




Triggers:

There are 2 triggers that we are looking for as an entry point to jump on a trend of W's or L's.

Trigger 1: WWW or LLL. When you get 3 or more W's in a row you bet the W side until you get two L's. when you get 2 L's you stop betting until you get either 3 L's or a new trigger.
-when you get 3 or more L's in a row you bet the L side (meaning that you bet the opposite of what the most recent decision says to do). You bet until you get 2 or more W's in a row then stop until you get a third W or a new trigger. Two wins in this instance would be 2 losses.

Trigger 2: I added trigger two because trigger 1 sometimes does not occur frequent enough.

WWLW or LLWL. If you get 2W's followed by an L then a W, you bet the W side until you get 2 L's in a row
-If you get 2 L's in a row followed by a W then an L, you bet the L side (again, betting opp of what the most recent decision says to do) until two W's in a row show up (again, 2 W's are would be losses).

[GARNabby]

Hi John,

All you need for that is 50% wins and 50% loses and you will profit guaranteed.

But the divisor plan is key I think.

Regards
Diarmaid

Diarmaid,

Wrong again.  (Not even a false proof offered.)

Mostly, I think you forgot to consider the commission on winning banker-bets; and that the player-odds are rarely up to 50-50.

Perhaps you should have stayed with roulette afterall, where your "imaginings" could play more of a role?

[John1234]

I played 3 sessions tonight. Session 1 +6 units
                                     Session 2+ +3 units
                                    Session 3+ 4 units

total units+ 13

Session 2 went slow so I added another trigger for when to bet.
Session 3: I stopped with about 10-12 more decisions to go.

I will explain how I play the 6pt divisor tom.


My strike rate increased which seems like a result of following the positive or negative trend.

Just played 2 more sessions.

Session 1: +6 units--stopped playing around the 23rd decision
Session 2: +6 units--stopped playing around 35th decision

Both sessions had a 2 unit drawdown.
My highest bet was $7 dollars which is equal to 1.4 units.


total units won= +25 units.

[John1234]

From now on my goal will be to make 4-6 units per day. I will post my results at the end of each week. I probably will not get to play everyday because I should be getting busy this weekend, but I will try to play early in the morning before classes.

My goal is to save up to get a bot coded for this system if that is even possible. That way I won't have to deal with the the time issue.

[Diarmaid]

From now on my goal will be to make 4-6 units per day. I will post my results at the end of each week. I probably will not get to play everyday because I should be getting busy this weekend, but I will try to play early in the morning before classes.

My goal is to save up to get a bot coded for this system if that is even possible. That way I won't have to deal with the the time issue.

Good luck john, very modest goals, although 6 units can be €6,000 eventually if you are consistant.

I'm sure you will succeed.


All the best,
Diarmaid

[John1234]

Good luck john, very modest goals, although 6 units can be €6,000 eventually if you are consistant.

I'm sure you will succeed.


All the best,
Diarmaid

Thank you, I hope I do. I know that 6 units is modest but I plan to slowly work my way up to 100 dollar bets.

[Diarmaid]

Thank you, I hope I do. I know that 6 units is modest but I plan to slowly work my way up to 100 dollar bets.

$1,000  bets you mean....  

IMAGINE,  


I have seen lads place $2000 bets on Party Casino,  CRAAAAAZZY

[Bo0Merang]

$1,000  bets you mean....  

IMAGINE,  


I have seen lads place $2000 bets on Party Casino,  CRAAAAAZZY

eyyy  D.  what is  wrong   put 2.g   on  bet  it is   obvious  that  when  u  want  win   money  then  you  have  to  put   bigger  bet  just  depenc  when and   how  much .... what is   a  hell  sometime  problem  when and   how  much grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[John1234]

$1,000  bets you mean....  

IMAGINE,  


I have seen lads place $2000 bets on Party Casino,  CRAAAAAZZY

yea that is crazy. The first time I played baccarat at a live casino I sat next to an Asian guy who was making $2000-$4000 bets. He must have had over 15,000 dollars sitting next to him. and then I was next to him with only like $200 dollars and betting the table min. I felt poor.

[Trung]

yea that is crazy. The first time I played baccarat at a live casino I sat next to an Asian guy who was making $2000-$4000 bets. He must have had over 15,000 dollars sitting next to him. and then I was next to him with only like $200 dollars and betting the table min. I felt poor.

who was the winner, John? lol

[John1234]

he was the winner...he was winning just about every bet he made. I lost a bet and won a bet then just stopped to watch him...The pit boss knew him by name too.

[Natural9]

John how are  you doing with your system and can you tell me how many times you win seven in a row when you play it and how often i have a mm based around it

[John1234]

using the W/L method it is very easy to win 7 times in a row. It actually happens often but I am not sure  how often, I don't track the statistics. I would say that it usually wins between 3-4 in a row average.

I have not been playing lately, I have been busy writing a huge paper for my political science class. Would you be wiling to share the mm that you are talking about?

[John1234]

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