Well, let's try again. This is on "Dealer Signature".

[TwoCatSam]

I shall not say the "B" word other than on my own testing thread but I'm sure you know what it is.


I can say G.U.T. and 4Selecta as they are acceptable.  (Well, not universally!)  So, firstly, speaking of those two--I sat for many hours in front of the computer watching spins at Bella Vegas and either entering them into Track4 or writing them on my 4Selecta chart.  (Many thousands of spins were done on other systems of mine before I knew of those two.)  If you'll permit me a bit of back slapping, I feel I learned quite a bit about how numbers fall and how they group and disperse. 

Many call this grouping "Dealer Signature".

Mentioning the "B" once more, I have also sat and watched Bet Voyager create numbers on their RNG.  Many, many hours! 

Secondly, a member of the "B" forum, has created a method of betting "hot sectors" even though an RNG has no sectors.  Through the months of June, July and August, this method has created winnings of over 2,000 Euro with a base bet of .01 and a stop-loss of 400 Euro.  It has exceeded the stop loss only once in something like 180,000 "spins".  So we must ask ourselves, if we care to, how can a system produce such profits over such a protracted period of time betting non-existent sectors?

Thus I arrive at my thesis for this drivel:  There is simply no such thing as dealer signature.  Dealer signature is merely a way of explaining the unexplainable phenomenon of numbers doing strange things.  Before Galileo, the stars were "known" to be pushed across the sky by tiny, winged angels.  Since the stars seemed to move and there was no other explanation, one of a supernatural nature provided a logical answer.

I have answered for myself a long-standing question.  I don't expect anyone to buy this answer wholesale.  I offer it as food for though and nothing more.  But please don't tell me the "B" study is flawed and does not represent reality.  There are brains on that forum that slap me all the way back to kindergarten and they believe just as I do.  Luck can never achieve a 2,000+ Euro profit betting only .01 as a base bet.  Anyway, how could an inanimate piece of software have luck?

"Luke, them branches almost hit your car during that storm!"
"Yep, my car is lucky."

Sam

[VLSroulette]

Hello dear Sam.

Glad to see you elaborating your interesting posts again.

"So we must ask ourselves, if we care to, how can a system produce such profits over such a protracted period of time betting non-existent sectors?

Over at the Spanish-speaking forum I had a debate with fellow member "Julio", he said:

Now please let me comment about something I have already posted around, I played this in manual (dealer-operated) wheels, just wonder my surprise when I played it the first time at automated wheels and the "laws" were obeyed just the same.

Right there the theory of dealer and his signature fell to pieces, and as a matter of fact, it doesn't matter that much. Perhaps randomness is condemmed to repeat itself, a especially small statistical deviation in –say- the very short term, and the truly awesome thing: RNG roulette does not have neither ball nor disc and it doesn't prevent it from showing the very same patterns.

So for this type of readings it doesn't matter the medium (roulette type), which is a whole advantage for the player.

Greetings

As you can see you are not alone on this observation.

Kind regards,
Victor

[VLSroulette]

Also, let me make an additional comment on this observation.

I believe what we are talking about in here is "sectorization" which is a different phenomenon from the true "signature" added to certain dealers, for which the premise is that certain dealers tend to develop a form of "muscle memory" which makes them throw the ball at consistent speed, in a consistent way; then the reference "launch number" has to be noted to be computed (mostly in some variations of ballistics).

So, true hardcore "dealer signature" as a concept is inaplicable to RNG roulette, as there is no muscle memory applicable to it, but the "sectorization" phenomenon which many affirm can be attributed to this "muscle memory" theory CAN be extrapolated to RNG under the hunting of disc-based patterns.

So RNG = No true dealer signature, but sectorization on the "virtual disc" is observed via pattern-hunting.

Physical wheel = dealer signature can be the responsible of sectorization, but none the less, it is more complicated than just "the dealer launched from this 3-number reference arc, the ball must drop at this other section" (it has more than that, it must account for the diamonds, etc. basically used as a part of some forms of Visual Ballistics).

Regards,
Victor

[Marven]

Physical wheel = dealer signature can be the responsible of sectorization, but none the less, it is more complicated than just "the dealer launched from this 3-number reference arc, the ball must drop at this other section" (it has more than that, it must account for the diamonds, etc. basically used as a part of some forms of Visual Ballistics).

Very true Victor.

Basically, apart from a dealer with a somewhat constant wheel/ball spinning rhythm, or what we call a "lazy dealer" (since that happens when the dealer gets "lazy" and doesn't apply the casino's instructions of varying the wheel and ball spinning speed), the other condition needed for real DS to work is a significantly tilted wheel (I.e. a wheel with a dominant drop-point/diamond)

Having a wheel with completely random drop-points re-randomizes the outcomes (thus evaporating any obtainable edge) no matter how constant the dealer's spinning force is.

[TwoCatSam]

Thanks, guys, for you input and opinions.

While I was watching all those spins I did see something I can testify about.  Ol' Victor has been right all along.  Preaching about how we should forget infinity and the law of large numbers and concentrate on finding a positive tram.  They are as real as the moon.  

Everything happens in waves.  It goes this way and it goes that way.  Bunch of reds; bunch of blacks.  Find the way to jump on the tram when it is about a fourth of the way up.  Ride a while and jump off with your winnings.  After a while graphs begin to take on a meaningful display.  Numbers will repeat a pattern today they showed you three days ago.  I could show you, but like I told R5, I'd just be whizzing against the wind.

A fellow whose name is ___________ (he can fill in the blank if he chooses) used this and the "B" to make 10,000 Euro.  He won't talk about how much he has made since then and I don't blame him.  No, not Thomas Grant.  Grant made 10,000 and he's in awe of this guy!

Sam

[Bazeegar]

Though I have not understood completely having not studied the numbers as you did, I completely believe every word you said, Sam.

[TwoCatSam]

Baz

Thank you for that! 

Sam

[Spike]

The only signature a dealer has is the one he endorses his paycheck with.

[Mr J]

Spikes gonna be making his ROUNDS on all the boards till 3am, betcha!  Ken

[TwoCatSam]

Well, it took two full buckets of cold water to bring me around, but Spike and I SEEM to be in accordance on something!

[TwoCatSam]

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