view at statistics

[TwoCatSam]

Gents,

I would never delete the post unless he asked me to.  I didn't not get to read the post before "tilt" became the word of the day.  I have read Ellison's book a few times and have modified his 3QA system to suit myself.

Sam

[winkel]

Hi TCS,

A thread thats called view to statistics has no right to exist, when there is no statistic.
I didn´t wwant you to "censor" any other oppinion. (If there had been one, telling my statistical view is wrong, or the math is wrong, or any conclusions are wrong. I didn´t even arrive at that state.)

I offered some statistics which of course have to refer to the known rules of statistics. (e.g. law of Third, Binomial, Gauss etc.)

When now someone starts to say I´m desribing a system, and statistics even with a new view wouldn´t help at all to argue a system (which was never my intent) than i have to see, that someone is not hunting an idea but a person.

I don´t need this, I don´t like it, where such happens is a place I don´t wanna be.

If Ellison is wrong or right doesn´t matter at all. I gave the link because it´s a new idea to think about "gamblers' fallacy". My statistics could have been helping to proof the one or the other side.

But if there is starting a personal hunt, I quit.

thats it.

br
winkel

[admin]

Hello winkel, I can setup you own section with limited replies right, this way you can easily make a repository of any of your statistics and gambling theories you may want to expose at the forum, and anybody who wants to reply and have a discussion with you regarding them, will need your approval / invite to have reply rights enabled at your own space.

It can be your little cozy place to expose without any interruptions. Would you like such a section?

I have no problem in setting it up. Forum will benefit by the ability to read the stats/gambling theories you expose and you will be able to discuss with whom you want enabled only.

Best regards.
Victor

[TwoCatSam]

winkel

I'm not sure where you are coming from on this.  Friend, I wanted to read your post, but I missed it.  All I see is the word "tilt" on my screen.

I have no desire to censor you.  I never even used the word.  I think RichardGraceFan did.  I did say that, if you asked me to, I would wipe the slate clean.  You asked that of Victor, did you not?

I read and wrote about Ellison quite some time ago.  I think he has valid points; always have.  I have memorized his 3QA system and have talked about it before.  

Are you sure the former post wasn't directed to Herb?  He's the one who said "grow up winkel" after you told him he was "thick as a brick".  

Sam

EDIT:  I have made a couple of mistakes by not reading carefully what someone has posted.  Perhaps we all should read more carefully before we type.  

[TwoCatSam]

You are thick as a brick.  <--written to Herb

did I ever tell something about a system I wanna demonstrate?
I just wanna show some statistical views.

But as I learned now, my statistical views are not wanted.

so bye to all.

at VLS please delete this whole thing.

br
winkel

edit: @ herb: now you can go to a chursche and the people there, that there is no God.

"at VLS please delete this whole thing."

winkel, did you write this or not?  

Sam

[Tucktuckster]

Sam,

You say you have modified the 3qa system to suit yourself.

Are you able to give an overview of the ideas on this. Is this as system as powerful as the claims?

[TwoCatSam]

tuckster

Ellison says to find a majority of Q or A numbers in the last five.  

I look for three A's or three Q's in the first five, with the target group (A or Q) not having a back-to-back win.  Example  any A any A A.  I now have three As out of the last five.

In spite of what he says, I use it on the single 0 wheel.  I have had limited success.  I do not subscribe to his "sit-down-and-win; get-up-and-run" theory.  Never have--probably never will.

I may try it soon at an Indian casino here in Oklahoma.

Sam

[winkel]

You are thick as a brick.  <--written to Herb

did I ever tell something about a system I wanna demonstrate?
I just wanna show some statistical views.

But as I learned now, my statistical views are not wanted.

so bye to all.

at VLS please delete this whole thing.

br
winkel

edit: @ herb: now you can go to a chursche and the people there, that there is no God.

"at VLS please delete this whole thing."

winkel, did you write this or not?  

Sam

Hi Sam,

it is as you quote.
And if I did overact i apologize to everyone.

br
winkel

[TwoCatSam]

Hey, winkel......I've done it; we've all done it.  Furgetaboutit!!

Post.........we'll talk!

Samster

[winkel]

Hi TCS

actually I'm translating articles of Ellison for a german forum.
The link I found directing to 3qa is invalid.
could you send me any details about it, that I can translate it for the Germans?

Thanks for your help

br
winkel

[winkel]

to all who sent Pm

questions which have public interest I will only answer when asked in the public.

br
winkel

[Tucktuckster]

winkel,

i for one have enjoyed your statistics and was looking forward to the point where you shared how you play with us all.

the way to beat roulette is through statistics and maths in my opinion.

someone with a sound understanding of the statistics that a RNG will generate (rouletted wheel is a random number generater - and in long term i doubt the stats are any ifferent to online) is a good person to learn things from.

i hope you continue to post data on your stats

[winkel]

There is something we have to face, making statistic and reading them:

As we understand until today there is an absolutely random when some rules (I don´t like "law") conform after a so called "tested sektion big enough" (sorry I dont´t know the the english name for it).

The other thing is: The way to test like Gauss did it:
If we have 6 possible results we have to make 6 tries. for Roulette that means 37 tries.
Most of these tries come with different but mostly near results. Some results are far away.
When we count all the found results, we will find a special distribution. This distribution is possible to be repeated.

one way for roulette is we count how many different numbers appear in 37 spins.
or expressed the other way: how many numbers didn´t appear.

for my statistics I use these abbreviations:
R = Restant = sleeper
F = Favorite = numbers appeard more than once
N = Normalos = numbers that appeared at the normal that means once in 37 spins.

Another thing is the so called Binomial Distribution.
This chart shows
- how many numbers did not appear "R"
- how many numbers did appear once "N"
- how many numbers did appear ">1" "F (alle)"
- how many numbers did appear twice "F2"
- how many numbers did appear  3times and more "F3+"
- after how many spins "coup"




put into a diagramm

[Herb]

Winkel,

I see the chart, I see the graph, but perhaps you could explain why it's useful?
How are you using the charts to win?


Regards,

Herb.

[Tucktuckster]

the sort of thing that i am thinking is that after say 24 spins, you get an average of 1 number that has hat 2 or more times and an average of around 4 or 5 that has hit 2 times.

so with 13 spins left in the cycle, and an average of 3 that hit more than 2 times, then logic says that playing when 0 or 1 number in last 24 has hit more than 2 times would be favourable if only numbers with 2 hits or more are played.

assuming you start with around 4 or 5 numbers - then the chances are that you will have 6 spins where there is an average of 6 numbers to bet and then 7 with maybe an average of 8.

where there are 0 or 1 numbers with more than 2 hits, then there are likely to be 2 more appear with more than 2 hits in this time. Where there are 0 numbers with 2 or more, then 3 numbers are more likely to happen than 1.

quite how this is turned into a system, i am not 100% sure.

Also - there seems to be the average number of numbers appear after 24/25 spins. that is numbers with 1 instance. therefore for every repeater thereafter there seems to be a new number hit that will hit just once. so it seems that if you have say 14 numbers with 1 hit and you get a couple more, then repeaters due. likewise if you have just 10 or 11 and a repeater or two hit, then maybe time to bet on unhit numbers.

pinning this into a system is the interesting bit.

winkel would appear to already have this. The question is whether he is going to share or encourage us to find it.

[Tucktuckster]

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