question about possible holy grail

[vandijkerwin]

Hi turbo,

read on your website the "possible holy grail" section and It looks geat. However what do you do against the horror streak of not showing a number for like 300 times (also on your website where the max is 469 in 1 mill rng)

Is it not better just to make a stoploss for that number?

thanks  

gr erwin

[hermes]

It is better to have a stoploss for every system or strategy you play because no one system is infallible. That's precaution, erwin.
Hermes

[TurboGenius]

To be honest -

I've never tested a system - then tested it with a stop/loss of any kind, and had
a different outcome in the end.

This goes for profit stop points and loss stop points.

You can dumb it down to a simple example and let's say we use a
martingale on even money bets.

If we play until a win or loss, no stop loss/win points..
then we play the same spins but with strict stopping points added in....
It ends with no difference.

Let's say you have a stop point (loss) of 5 spins.
So the 6th spin "could" have won, instead you are down from the 5 spin loss.

The same goes for stopping when you are ahead -
If you stop when up (example) 10 units, it is just as possible
that you would have continued to win that it is that you would have
stopped winning and begun to lose.

Again -

let's say you have a car with 10 gallons of gas in it - and let's say that
you can get 20 miles per gallon.
Player A drives for 200 miles, runs out of gas and sits on the side of the road.
Player B drives for 5 miles max, makes 40 trips and runs out of gas right next
to Player A's car  

You could say that Player B is better off because he was able to drive
40 trips instead of 1 trip - but in the end it makes no difference at all.

[bloomone2002]

@ Turbo, I've been testing systems for several weeks and have yet to play a system for real. This harsh reality that you so simply explained is hard to swallow, but has been nagging at me in the back of my mind, but ive been resting on the feedback of other more experience players that the opposite of what is write is true. This is my fear. So, turbo, what the heck are we all doing on here if what you say is true, then all these fallible system will not work in the long run?
Also, is their a system or method that will give us that long term profitability edge?

By the way, i've been testing your dozen repeater system, was planning now to do some more testing on DB, but now im concern about it long term prospect, because, i know its not infallible.
Bloom

[TurboGenius]

My point is that stopping when ahead or stopping when a  certain loss is reached
has never changed the math statistics long term.

(not trying to be a downer) - it is just the way the game works.

Finding a way to win for as long as possible is key of course.
You could play something that puts you in the hole within 100 spins, like an
unfortunate run with a martingale progression - or -
you could play a method where you are in profit for 100,000+ spins, etc.
Does it matter what method is used ?  The testing says no.
But there appears to be ways to lose very quickly (in $ amounts)
and ways to play and profit for a very long time.

[wiztek]

Hmm, yes i looked at this system, betting on sleepers  my only problem was keeping track of the spins  :-/  is there any lil prog or spread sheet that would help with this?  

[Boo_Ray]

simple pen and paper works, when there is a repeeter cross it and at some point you will see which numbers are missing
well I bet that turbo has some useful hints  

or maybe write down numbers from 0 to 36 and when number hits just cross it or something

[roules]

Interesting analogy there Turbo. I think the saying "no system wins long term" refers more to the fact if you put a system through thousands and thousands of continuous spins it won't hold up. Of course playing strategically for smaller amounts of spins can be profitable long term.

[Mr J]

"I think the saying "no system wins long term" refers more to the fact if you put a system through thousands and thousands of continuous spins it won't hold up." --- You will never have a decent method without losses. The GOAL is to net more than you lose divided by number of hours tracking/played (hourly net profit). Thats it, nothing else. It kills me when a method has a bad day or week and everyone panics. You need to have the BR to ride out the bad days. Ken

[hermes]

You have to have enough partial bankrolls for a few losses. If you bring to casino partial bankroll of $300, - and lose it go home, if you win go home also. Don't go to bank machine to chase the losses. Not every day is sunny day you have to count on it. Even the "infallible system" would need sometimes a "little luck" push to stay infallible.
Hermes

[geoff365]

Highs and lows. Win goals and loss limits. Take some predetemind profit and have more winning sessions than losing ones.

Lets say 3-4 hours a session, so the staking plan would revolve around the hourly rate of the profit. 4 hours work for x amount/hour.

[ChickenDinner]

Possible Holy Grail

I've tested this system for a few weeks now (about 2000 spins) and it seems to work great. I'm making about £400 per 500 spins. It's slow and very boring, yet it works!!! Even when I've not hit a number for 200+ spins, the other numbers hitting (that are added after each cycle with a progression) do carry my bank balance in the right direction. Even if 1 number went to 450 spins without hitting (very rare but possible), the other numbers hitting will avoid big draw downs.

IS
In order to get the stats before betting real money, I simply bet on both black and red and set the roulette to auto spin (11 spins) and start betting when every number has hit at least once.

What I am thinking now though is why not play 3 (or more) of the lowest hitting number on each cycle?

[JonInRI]

@Turbo, is this system (the one on your site labeled "possible holy grail" nolinks://nolinks.freewebs.com/turbogenius/possibleholygrail.htm) the same system you were using for Bago's challenge at GG?  If so what ever happened with that, did you ever go past the 4,095 spins you posted on your site? wondering

[ChickenDinner]

Forget my previous message. The possible holy grail can lead to very scary draw downs (£1500+) . Eventually you'll get 2 or 3 numbers not hitting for hundreds of spins. When this happens you will lose big time and it will take a very long time to recover. This can be good a system, and I'd imagine that it is very successful alot of the time - but beware, it will and does go very wrong eventually.

So what system did Turbo use on Bago's challenge?? (he says that it was not this)

I'm sure we'd all like to know.

CD

[ChickenDinner]

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