The word of the day is "overcoming".............

[Mr J]

NICE!!   

[TwoCatSam]

Davey

If you object to where the post is put, just ask a mod or administrator to move it.  I thought it fit here, but perhaps I'm wrong. 

Sam

[bombus]

As VB'ers are the only ones who can rightfully claim to overcome the house edge, then the word 'overcoming' definitely belongs in the physics section.

What the rest of the roulette world needs to do is design strategies that attempt to mimic the betting style of the VB'ers........... So it's a game of catch up, but there is hope after all!

[Davey-Jones]

I don't object to the title, just a bunch of the contents. I mean, nothing pertains to physics at all. If people want to compare systems to physics that's fine. I just would rather come to the physics section to discuss physics rather than read about how great the "Signum" is. No offence meant Mr. Chips, just truth.

[berlinerbruce]

When you understand the force against you then you can overcome it. The force in roulette is 37 or 38 slots not probability. The mechanism produces random outcomes without regard to the process that does it. Physics is not the only way to overcome the randomness mechanism. It's the only way to overcome the mechanism. It's not the only way to overcome randomness. Dogmatism is not the only way to put down the quest to overcome randomness, despite the dogmatic opinion. Nice going TwoCatSam, you have managed to marginalize the VB Nazis with one word.

Really what a load of crap

your own admiction was.....The mechanism produces random outcomes without regard to the process that does it. Physics is not the only way to overcome the randomness mechanism

and reallly,,,come on ,,,,,VB nazis

i got to go,,,,,,,,

[berlinerbruce]

@ gizmo

i just read what i quoted from you,,,,,,,,

come on prove it

I can

[berlinerbruce]

I think the edge is over rated. When I design and develop a well constructed system, it creates an
advantage, such that any theoretical edge a casino is supposed to have becomes irrelevant.

[winkel]

...... I just would rather come to the physics section to discuss physics rather than read about how great the "Signum" is. No offence meant Mr. Chips, just truth.

All the physicians (VB-players) come to the systems-area to discuss VB. Would you beg them to stay at their own area as well?
I´d appreciate it.

[gizmotron]

BerlinerBruce , if any device produces a well formed and continuous form of random events, like spins in Roulette, then the process is irrelevant as long as the random results are all that is to be considered as the end product. The issue is not that physics might be perfected as a tool in order to attempt to defeat the process. The issue is that randomness itself can be defeated.

Randomness can be defeated in spite of the odds that tend to favor the effort being offered by most casinos. The house edge is only a tax for spending time placing bets. The point is to defeat randomness in a way that pays far more than that tax.

I don't intend to educate you or anyone else that asks me to prove anything to them. A beggar that also thinks he can guess where a ball will stop is too foolish to ever get respect. In fact, the entire knowledge of VB experts is out there in the main stream. Where are the headlines that such and such groups of people have successfully beaten the casinos? With full disclosure of the method where is the proof of that?

I'm keeping it to myself. You can go ahead and prove it to the world. I won't think any higher of you when you do succeed and inadvertently get banned from casinos for having an advantage. But until that day comes you can't prove a load of stuff.

[Davey-Jones]

All the physicians (VB-players) come to the systems-area to discuss VB. Would you beg them to stay at their own area as well?
I´d appreciate it.

Wow! How can that be true? Oh wait... It isn't.

[Landis]

Gizmo naively wrote, "In fact, the entire knowledge of VB experts is out there in the main stream. Where are the headlines that such and such groups of people have successfully beaten the casinos? With full disclosure of the method where is the proof of that?
?"  

Here you go.


nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf

[Landis]

I am Herb.  I just don't know the Herb password to get on.  So, here I am as Landis.  Note the Snowman like avatar. 

[berlinerbruce]

Here you go.


nolinks://nolinks.isa-guide.de/pdf/9649.pdf

ah the famous sachse

hees banned in over 200 casinos,,the latest one was in Switzerland ,,,,,,,,

that is truely the proof that was asked for ,,,maybe thats why its went quite 

he earned over 7000€ just before he went to LV for his birthday where he bumped into herb ,on his way back he went to the same casino,,guess what they said no and dont come back lol

he is very good at what he does but loves the lime light ,and they just simply dont go togehter,,,, @ gizmo,,thats why you dont here of such headlines

you can also if you want go to youtube and try to find wie man knackd ien spielbank

they had a team of VB players there to challenge the casino security and to seor prove if it could be done ,as youll see from that tv docu,,,,they more than doubled there BR and went undetected,,,,,,,this is ALL FACT

ok i hope thats cleared that up for you,,,,,,,no beggers there mate 

ok im off ,,cya

[TwoCatSam]

OK, not ready to brand this bloke a liar, but when he says this "30−50 Indianercasinos" meaning, I assume, Indian casinos in the United States--well, I get my suspicions.  I have yet to see an Indian casino with roulette.  There are none in Oklahoma and I've been to a casino in New Mexico and found none there.  Didn't visit all the casinos, but you'd think if it were legal, they would have it. 

I'd also question why this fellow would come to America and play the 00 wheel when he could visit Lanky and play the 0 wheel.  Maybe he's just that good!  Huh?

I'll ask other Americans to weigh in:  Have you seen real wheel-and-ball roulette in America?  Not card games where a particular card is #36, but real roulette.

Sam

[winkel]

From his last visit in LV he came back with a huge loss (about 40-50 tsd. Euro)
Is that now the proof, that it doesn´t work either?

He admitted, that his notation was right, but he took the wrong solutions out of it.
What´s the difference to a system?

BTW: nearly all Casinos in Europe ask him to leave before he entered it.
Those which are still open to him are not "playable".

I thought VB would work everywhere?
Isn´t that another proof, that it doesn´t work?

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[winkel]

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