Bet Dozen to Repeat

[No More Bets]

Hermes, I've tested your 'system' and it tanked BIG time. Was I surprised ?

Was I heck..

Betting on a dozen to repeat may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.

No endeavour leads so straight to futility as gambling progressions without systematic mathematical knowledge.

Feel free to disagree..

[poxet pool]

I feel to disagree No more bets.."betting on a dozen to repeat may be defined as a illogical belief"..tell that to players who look for tables to bet against a streaking doz...and bust out..helk i can go thru many session and see a doz or colmn repeat or streak within 40 spins. This phenom even occurs on RNG..Nothing illogical taking advantage of a 2 to 1 bet..Caution is due with chops as systems recognize to play on as well..But then again no more bets.. i'm not sure i can disagree with u..ur language is a mystery wrapped up in a enigma=conspiracy..

[bikemotorman]

When I play my system of
Last dozen
Last column
I will go seven or six misses in a row but I play virtual for at least half of them. 
With my method I have a good chance of doing well as long as I keep track of the LWS.

Stuart

[Jeromin]

I've been going over some Wiesbaden numbers from the list provided by Homeito in the actuals section.
I've 3500 spins printed out, with some notes. Here's a summary of the first 2,000 spins:

d: different dozen to last (chop )
s: same dozen as last ( streak )
I ignore the 0.

same dozen:

4 ( =ssss, eg  12 9s 1s 7s7s ), 2x4 ( four ss in a row ), 3, 2x6, 4x2, 2x2, 3, 2, 4, 2x2, 4, 2x9,  4, 2x7, 5, 2x3, 4, 2x9, 3, 2x6, 3, 2, 3, 2x9, 3, 2x3, 3x2, 6, 2x10, 3x2, 2x4, 3, 2x5, 3, 2, 3, 2x6, 3, 4, 2, 3x2, 2x2, 3, 2, 3, 2x2, 3, 2, 3, 4, 3,x2, 2, 4, 3, 2x3, 4x2, 2x7, 5, 2x5.

different dozen:

4 ( eg: 23, 1d, 25d, 4d, 16d ) 12, 3, 6, 5, 3, 4, 5, 3, 5, 3, 4, 6, 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 7, 5, 5, 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 4, 6, 6, 3, 4, 3, 6, 5, 8, 5, 5,  7, 6, 4, 4, 13, 3, 4, 3 (500 spins ), 8, 3, 5, 6, 5, 3, 6, 5, 5, 4, 11, 6, 3, 14, 4, 3, 3, 3, 8, 5, 3, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 5, 3, 3,  5, 3, 7, 4, 3, 3, 3, 7, 9, 7, 8, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 6, 4, 4, 4, 5, 3, 5, 8 (1,000 spins ), 6, 3, 4, 3, 3, 4, 4, 3, 4, 6, 8, 3, 3, 3, 6, 5, 5, 3, 7, 12, 4, 6, 3, 3, 5, 7, 4, 3, 9, 4, 5, 3, 3, 6, 5, 6, 6, 6, 5, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 6, 5, 5, 3, 7, 5, 6, 6, 4, 3, 4, 6,  20 (!), 3, 5, 6 (1,500 spins), 4, 7, 7, 3, 5, 3, 7, 4, 4, 3, 9, 8, 5, 3, 4, 4, 3, 3, 4, 9, 3, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 5, 5, 6, 9, (2,000 spins) 10, 3.

I'll work out the profit/loss of the progressions proposed in this thread later on.

A first conclusion is that, playing only short term does not protect one from a twelve chop sequence in the very first 25 spins.

Jeromin

[hammy]

I've been going over some Wiesbaden numbers from the list provided by Homeito in the actuals section.
I've 3500 spins printed out, with some notes. Here's a summary of the first 2,000 spins:

d: different dozen to last (chop )
s: same dozen as last ( streak )
I ignore the 0.

same dozen:

4 ( =ssss, eg  12 9s 1s 7s7s ), 2x4 ( four ss in a row ), 3, 2x6, 4x2, 2x2, 3, 2, 4, 2x2, 4, 2x9,  4, 2x7, 5, 2x3, 4, 2x9, 3, 2x6, 3, 2, 3, 2x9, 3, 2x3, 3x2, 6, 2x10, 3x2, 2x4, 3, 2x5, 3, 2, 3, 2x6, 3, 4, 2, 3x2, 2x2, 3, 2, 3, 2x2, 3, 2, 3, 4, 3,x2, 2, 4, 3, 2x3, 4x2, 2x7, 5, 2x5.

different dozen:

4 ( eg: 23, 1d, 25d, 4d, 16d ) 12, 3, 6, 5, 3, 4, 5, 3, 5, 3, 4, 6, 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 7, 5, 5, 3, 3, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 4, 6, 6, 3, 4, 3, 6, 5, 8, 5, 5,  7, 6, 4, 4, 13, 3, 4, 3 (500 spins ), 8, 3, 5, 6, 5, 3, 6, 5, 5, 4, 11, 6, 3, 14, 4, 3, 3, 3, 8, 5, 3, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 5, 3, 3,  5, 3, 7, 4, 3, 3, 3, 7, 9, 7, 8, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 6, 4, 4, 4, 5, 3, 5, 8 (1,000 spins ), 6, 3, 4, 3, 3, 4, 4, 3, 4, 6, 8, 3, 3, 3, 6, 5, 5, 3, 7, 12, 4, 6, 3, 3, 5, 7, 4, 3, 9, 4, 5, 3, 3, 6, 5, 6, 6, 6, 5, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 6, 5, 5, 3, 7, 5, 6, 6, 4, 3, 4, 6,  20 (!), 3, 5, 6 (1,500 spins), 4, 7, 7, 3, 5, 3, 7, 4, 4, 3, 9, 8, 5, 3, 4, 4, 3, 3, 4, 9, 3, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 5, 5, 6, 9, (2,000 spins) 10, 3.

I'll work out the profit/loss of the progressions proposed in this thread later on.

A first conclusion is that, playing only short term does not protect one from a twelve chop sequence in the very first 25 spins.

Jeromin

Jeromin,

Those numbers are crazyness, stay away from that wheel, it's busted, must be an old wagon-wheel ..

[hammy]

No More Bets,

As your name suggests, roulette is not for you ..
You seem to think roulette has something to do with mathematical knowledge ?..
You need to stay in a world of predictability, roulette is just the opposite, random, anti-random, and just luck to "guess' the next number that the ball will land on. It's called gambling, nothing to do with mathematics or logic or probabilities. Sorry to mess with your pompous philosophy, but someone needs to put you straight. Think about it for just a minute and I hope you will understand. Cheers mate !

BTW.... I don't care about your "testing spins", I have made alot of "real" money with this system and it's as realiable as any roulette system you can play. If you disagree, tell me one that is as good ?

hammy 

Hermes, I've tested your 'system' and it tanked BIG time. Was I surprised ?

Was I heck..

Betting on a dozen to repeat may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable.

No endeavour leads so straight to futility as gambling progressions without systematic mathematical knowledge.

Feel free to disagree..

[Jeromin]

Jeromin,

Those numbers are crazyness, stay away from that wheel, it's busted, must be an old wagon-wheel ..

Old wagon-wheel? Wiesbaden?? Luxury high stakes casino run by engineering obsessed Germans? Who are confident enough  about their wheels' calibration and  fairness to make the spins publicly available? I'd like to see a Vegas casino do that!
Then again, I'm a practical person. If an online "live" casino, or Dublin Bet ( truly "live", but allegedly operated by lazy ass, random busting dealers ) gives me an edge, I'll go with those. The above results did make it  quite hard getting a decent progression to work.
But then, why use that data, as it is done in this forum regularly, to test systems on RX?

[Jeromin]

For the record, I'm not interested in winning theoretical debates, only in winning games. I spend time testing systems, on paper and with real cash, so I can win on a regular basis. I'm waiting to get a reply from a bot designer, to collect data from a few online casinos, since I'm not planning on travelling to Wiesbaden any time soon. So I'm actually glad to hear the German data is not representative of what I can expect form a WilliamHill, Bet365, DB or the like.

[poxet pool]

Hi jeromin..good work u put into Wiesbaden results..Say can u see any advatange between ..say when a doz end a streak..using that as a trigger...would it be better to follow the last 2 doz or bet on the unhit doz? i.e. doz/ 1 1 1 2..bet on 1 2 or a single bet on 3?   Hammy do u like the Wiztek progression?  thank u  thank u very much....

[Jeromin]

Thanks poxet pool. On the d bets, I've tried a short progression after ddd in stages, as follows:

1 1 2 stop 3 4 6 stop 9 14 21 stop 31 47 70 stop

So basically, If I lose after dddddd ( 6d = seven spins in a row without repeated dozen, the second spin being the first chop, or "d")   I wait for the next ddd and start another progression, only this time 3 4 6 stop, etc.

The only loss in 3500 spins occurred just before the first 1,000 spins. You can see it: the sequence 7,9,7,8.  There were a few close calls, not losing the whole bankroll by one spin. This system avoids long sequences, so it does not go bust  6/7 times every couple thousand spins, and once it stops it does not matter how long the chop sequence is  ( there's a 21 chop sequence  later on  )
Unfortunately, the progression's so long ( bankroll 209 units ) that it ends up wiping out all winnings. Then again, it only occur once in 3,500 spins. It'd be interesting to test it for 10,000, but that's a job for RX.  Also the progression can be lowered so not every step yields a profit ( eg: 1 1 1  stop 2 3 4 stop etc. )

Other sequences:

1 stop 1 stop etc. after ddd:
goes to 11th step ( 6,5,8,5,5,7,6,4,4,13,3) just before 500 spin mark, afterwards, a few times to 7th step.

1 2 stop etc, after ddd:
goes bust 5 times in 2k ( too many 5xd sequences )

1 2 stop at dddd:
goes bust 4 times at 3500 mark ( my first attempt, led me to start at ddd)

Another option is a very short progression after ddd: 1 1 2 stop. hopefully the W makes up for the L.
In the first 2k:
3,5: +2
4:+1
>=6 : -4

3,5: 102x2=204
4: 38x1=38
>=6: 54x(-4): -216
204+38-216= +26 units

less than 1 unit per 50 spins!

[hammy]

Hi jeromin..good work u put into Wiesbaden results..Say can u see any advatange between ..say when a doz end a streak..using that as a trigger...would it be better to follow the last 2 doz or bet on the unhit doz? I.e. doz/ 1 1 1 2..bet on 1 2 or a single bet on 3?   Hammy do u like the Wiztek progression?  thank u  thank u very much....

poxet,

the Wiztek: 1-1-2-3-4-6-8-13-20-30-45-68 (12 step - 201 units) progression is fine for betting every spin without waiting for 4 or 5 chops before betting. You make less per hit than my 3-4-6-9-14-21-32-48-72 but you will get more hits because you are playing every spin. My system waits at least 3 chops before betting, but I only play for 5 hits then quit. Either way is probably good.

[Jeromin]

The SS part shows more promise. 2s are very common ( 111) compared to 3s (23) and 4s ( 11). There's also a sharp drop after 4s: only two 5s and one 6s. So a progression 1 2 6, profiting only in the first step, reduces the risk to 18 units. Since the 5s & 6s are not close by ( in this small sample ), it is possible to double the initial progression to 2 4 12  ( or even triple it ) to recover quickly.
Flat betting for 2s gives 111x1 -[(23+12+2+1)x(-2)]= 35 units. very little for 2,000 spins.
But the 2s are in long sequences, so a positive progression +1 +2 +4 +4 etc gives over 100 units.

this is how the 2s are grouped:

4,6,2,1,2,9,7,3,9,6,1,9,3,10,4,5,1,6,1,2,1,2,1,1,3,7,5.

so a group of 6 ss  will give: +1 +2 +4 +4+4+4 -8 = +11.
only groupings of 1 (-1), 2 ( -5) and 3 ( -1) give negative results. 

[hermes]

On the 3,500 spins example by Jeromin you can see we would lose only once on the 20 chops! Everything else would be won if we bet the dozens and columns simultaneously but if we could wait for 5 chops what comes very often on dozen or column we would win all 3,500 spins. If the 20 chops were on dozen I bet you the column was doing some streaks for our salvation (SOS).
Hermes

[Jeromin]

On the 3,500 spins example by Jeromin you can see we would lose only once on the 20 chops! Everything else would be won if we bet the dozens and columns simultaneously but if we could wait for 5 chops what comes very often on dozen or column we would win all 3,500 spins. If the 20 chops were on dozen I bet you the column was doing some streaks for our salvation (SOS).
Hermes

Well,  lose once  in the first 2,000 spins. I think there's at least one more later on, will have to check. The odds of a 20 chop dozen series simultaneously with a 15 chop column must be, one in many tens of thousand. In fact, Jimenez had an interesting system based on simultaneous column dozen chops. I tested a couple of thousand spins last summer, there were less than ten cases of five or more double chops. Maximum was 8 once.

[Rheti]

Nice system...

checked some spins (251) live casino.. will check more..

Here the results:

                                 
   Kolomlabels                              
   1   2   3   4   5   6   8   9   11   13                 Eindtotaal
Som 24   12   16   11   7   4   1   2    1    1                 79
                                 
   30%   15%   20%   14%   9%   5%   1%   3%   1%   1%   

[Rheti]

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