Card counting - online

[lommelaartje]

Hi!

Is it possible to use the system of card counting online, when i play against a live dealer?

Thanks

[Bo0Merang]

i think it is but depenc which  shoes orr deck  they use  automatics orr hand shufled :)and if they  let you  counting  that is question i never tryed oposite the  BJ i learn baccarat it is mor fun and MORE  losses )

[2nd12forlife]

I personally think online blackjack is rigged, go play on bodog and you'll see what I mean, dealer rarely if ever busts.  I play live blackjack around 3 days a week and I can tell somethings not right.

[Just_Gabe]

Card counting is no longer useful online, since even with live dealers they use 6 decks which makes card counting unviable.

[Ulysses]

Card counting is no longer useful online, since even with live dealers they use 6 decks which makes card counting unviable.

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[Allin]

Its possible to count, but it become not useful after Casinos countered with

1. burning cards
2. reshuffle after 3/4 decks delt.

Even if yo get 0.5% edge, to make 0.50 cents you gotta bet 100$ per hand

So $20,000 worth flat bets a day with 0.5 edge will make $100.

[Allin]

Following Article found in the internet, says no way card counting works with the recent changes
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Blackjack was predominately a game played with a single 52 card deck prior to the card counting revolution.  Early casino countermeasures included the introduction of multiple deck blackjack.  These games included two deck hand tossed games, and four, six and eight deck shoe games.  The effect of having more decks smoothed out the extremes where the count would be advantageous to one side or the other.  Today's blackjack software can be used to test the effect of this dilution.  The house advantage tells a small part of the story.  The house advantage for single deck, 3:2 blackjack is about 0.2%.  The house advantage for a six deck shoe game is around 0.6 to 0.7%.  At first glance this seems like a very small change, so it shouldn't make that big of a difference whether you play single deck or a shoe game.  The amount you win when counting cards should only decrease about 0.4%, right?  WRONG!  Look at the following simulation results.  The player advantage using a basic Hi-Lo system, 3:2 single deck with 100% penetration under current Las Vegas rules, with a 1 to 6 unit spread and a $5 unit yields:

Player Advantage: 3.476%
Hourly Win Rate: $39.99, or 8 units

Using the same rules, same penetration, and same payoff, but playing 6 decks yields:

Player Advantage: 1.563%
Hourly win rate:  $13.60

As you can see, there was a dramatic drop seen with this change alone.

The next change was the addition of the burn card.  By burning a card in single deck play, the count could be off by one.  In a multi-deck game the difference was less.  But, the casinos weren't done yet.  The next step was to change the penetration of the deck.  A little piece of plastic placed half way through the deck can make a huge difference in advantage and win rate enjoyed by the player.  For example, in a single deck game, just as above, but with 50% penetration yields the following results:

Player Advantage: 1.497%
Hourly Win Rate: $14.03.

You can see the casinos chipping away at the card counter advantage.  The casinos, being greedy as they are, also put a cut card in the six deck shoe.  It is generally at the 75% penetration point, with 1 ½ decks left in the shoe at the shuffle.  So, how much damage did this do to the card counter?

Player Advantage: 0.222%
Hourly Win Rate: $1.59

One would think they would be happy with this.  It's essentially an even game.  But No! The greedy bastards (pardon my French) just keep on changing things in an effort to eliminate card counting altogether.

The latest change is to change the payoff for a blackjack.  There are variations on a theme, but the most common change is to change to 6:5 instead of the traditional 3:2.  In other words, instead of receiving $7.50 for every $5 wagered, the player receives $6.  You will recall that the blackjack payoff is the highest of the "extras".  So the effect was very dramatic.  A single deck 3:2 game has a house advantage of 0.2%.  A 6:5 single deck game has a 1.6% casino advantage.  The effect on counting cards is equally dramatic.  Using the same conditions as before, with a 50% penetration, 6:5 single deck game yields:

Player Advantage: -0.068%
Hourly win rate: -$0.64

We have gone from an advantage of 3.476% to -0.068%.

[Allin]

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