Hmmmmmm Telekinesis to win at roulette??????

[Mr J]

"if you dont agree and cant scientifically prove precognition does NOT exist, just stay out of it" >>> So my question again, if someone says it DOES exist or might exist, does THAT person have to PROVE it does in order to keep their thread up? If I start a thread saying that you can win at roulette if you eat six pieces of chicken before going to the casino (I know its a goofy example).... NO ONE should be allowed to post on my thread if they dont agree with me because they can not prove me wrong, correct?? They should "stay out of it", correct?  Ken

[Mr J]

"try 7 pieces of chicken and a bowl of strawberries" >>> You cant say that unless you can prove it. Ok wait...is it me that has to disprove you? Oh forget it, I cant keep track, I just want the same guidelines.  Ken

[Carlitos]

.......... i see.......... you want to point out another point.....everyone has the same rules.....who is going not to lett you from posting your view.....even if someones else say so in hist post..... just post whether you want within the rules......





Carlitos 

[Mr J]

"who is going not to lett you from posting your view" >>> Answer: Steve. Can you post your view even if you can not prove it? Thats my question and the opposite..... can you be the author of a thread with a view and not have to prove it? All valid questions.

I'll be fair to Steve and give him a more realistic example, forget the chicken thing. Say I want to start a thread that says....through my YEARS of playing, I have discovered you should bet on the odd numbers on odd days and the even numbers on even days.

I have NETTED thousands using this method/idea for years, its a GREAT way to play roulette! <<<<<< Now, can someone post on my thread and say "no way Ken" without proving I'm wrong?  One standard for everyone.  Ken

[Tangram]

if you dont agree and cant scientifically prove precognition does NOT exist, just stay out of it

Steve,

You can't prove scientifically that anything doesn't exist, that's absurd. Science works by induction - in other words it works by looking at things in the world and drawing conclusions based on observations. You can only draw conclusions based on what you find, not on what you don't find. Furthermore, the onus is on those who make the claims to give evidence, otherwise you make no progress because the number of ways you can find something not happening is infinite.

[Carlitos]

...if it's his or her opinion then they should be able to post it......even if they will not proove that you are wrong ( or for that matter that you will proove that you are right ) ...whats all about is....that others also read it..... and therefor there will be an larger common opinion about it to whether it has merrit to be true or not..... if in case you are right and they others are not..... it will sort out for it itself.... you can compared this with natural selection........


Everyones has an feeling to what can be true or not.....




Carlitos 

[Tangram]

Carlitos,

Whether something is true or not does not depend on the number of people who believe it. It doesn't count as evidence for or against anything. Sure, anyone can have an opinion, but it means nothing from a scientific point of view.

[Carlitos]

....Tangram i think you are missing the point...... its about some else being able to say no without prooving it...... and not about how much people needed to have for it to be true......



I know one can be on himself and find something that is true.... here in this case somelse say it is not true without prooving why.... so it will mean that others will read it too...... and will have an opinion too whether its true or not.....



May i remind iam talking about the forum as regard to this......






Carlitos

[Number Six]

This thread is a load of twaddle. In fact this whole section is nonsense.

[Mr J]

 "In fact this whole section is nonsense" >>> You bet it is.....and.... lets have the SAME definitions for everyone, thanks.  Ken

[Carlitos]

...you see.....Number Six finds this nonsense while other find it intresting ........ so one gives his opinion without prooving anything........



Great real live example of your point Ken!!




Carlitos 

[Bo0Merang]

.......... I see.......... you want to point out another point.....everyone has the same rules.....who is going not to lett you from posting your view.....even if someones else say so in hist post..... just post whether you want within the rules......





Carlitos 

i see....as well... you have absolutly right.....

[Wildcard]

To the skeptics ou there, i am sure Tk exists because i proved it to myself.

I spun a psi wheel.... ( Insert all your sarcastic laughter here ).... BIG DEAL, you might say. And that´s perfectly fine by me, as i am a tolerant person.

That´s probably the basic step for any person who´s interested in developing their abilities.

You want proof ? I can prove it to you too, all you have to do is to come and meet me, so you see a little square of paper spinning on top of a needle tip without me touching it, blowing, having no tricks, nothing, just mental power.

Nonsense, right ? Of course you wouldn´t travel half world to see this guy doing some mumbo jumbo BS "trick" to move a bit of paper, because (in your closed mind) Tk simply doesn´t exist and that´s all there is to it.

However, ANYONE can do it and can work on it. Ask people you know. Ask someone close to you for proof.

I agree, that´s too little, so what ?

Lotto balls ?  I would be happy to make a plastic bottle cap move by Tk.  That´s what i am trying to do lately. This is no hobby or obsession of mine. It´s more of a personal discovery and stretching my mental limits.

I thought people would be more open minded, at least that they honestly TRIED to understand what they are commenting upon, without bashing Tk because they can´t be bothered to read about it or even come to terms with a whole lot of people sharing experiences all over the internet.

@ Carlitos > Forget about Uri Geller, he is a scammer at his own game.

[mr.ore]

Well, when I was a little kid, I also managed to move "psi wheel". There was a "documentary" about paranormal things on  the TV, and this was one of the "proofs". You put such a paper construction on top of a pin, and then concentrate on it to move it to one side. And after some time, it really moves there. The trick is, that because it is on the top of pin, it is very sensitive, so it will probably rotate to one side and to other and so. So you are sitting and concentrating on it, and when it starts to move to your side, you can say - HEUREKA, it works. Also when you are sitting and concentrating, and it is not moving, you may decide to move it to other side, or you are just trying to move it any sady. This kind of thing is with high probability illusion of control, read nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_control.

Illusion of control is damned thing. I have played some flat betting sessions in RX, and I was able to "predict" where the corner will land with hight accuracy, thats what I was thinking. I just clicked on spin and then pressed enter to see the patterns quickly and noticed, that there are hot areas. So I was betting by feel, and after a hour or so I was still winning and winning and winning. Then I lost focus, and started to loss, then regained it and by feel that it is good continued to play and continue to win. I made even a theory, that every two random events are connected by a string of fate, and appearence of one corner means that corner on the other side will soon appear. And it worked so nice for some time

Those are all kinds of fallacy - the numbers were already predetermined by RNG, which is initialized by number of second from 1.1.1970 00:00:00 when you run RX, there is no magic, string of fate or telekinesis.

Well, I do not absolutely deny TK, I'm saying it improbable. Find how z-score test is done, go to casino and play virtual and try to measure it. This process can be measured statistically. At least, trying to do telekinesis does not harm - if it exists, it may be usefull, if it does not, nothing bad will happen.

[Mr J]

"But bear in mind that telekinesis is the ability to move objects through the power of the mind, without the use of physical force" >>> Thats fine, I can just re-word my question. 3 guys using TK to "move" the ball to one half of the wheel while another 3 guys using TK to "move" the ball to the opposite half of the wheel AND the wheel is not moving, only the ball.  Now what?  Ken

[Mr J]

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