Hmmmmmm Telekinesis to win at roulette??????

[Steve]

No problem, and thats your opinion. But dont ostracize people for believing in it an wanting to research.

[simon]

there is no such thing as telekinesis and anyone who thinks so has seen "Ghost" too many times and hasn't seen Chris Angel enough, that guy can do anything in front of anyone but ofcourse it's all tricks, smoke and mirrors.  but even if someone thinks it's possible to effect very slight movements in very light small objects, I don't think that would do much good against a heavy, fast moving roulette wheel with a ball flying around it.  the idea of pre-cognition is interesting (but then too bad/how come the thousands of people who died in the World Trade Center couldn't pre-cog their deaths and stay out of the building?)  anyway I think it would be good if these two subjects (tk and pre-cog) were split up because  I don't know how many people are going to go for the telekinesis thing or think they can effect a roulette wheel and ball, but there have been many studies done on "remote viewing" and all this kind of thing, maybe we can develop our pre-cog skills if there is such a thing, it's probably the only way you'll beat roulette.

[Davey-Jones]

Okay... Let's assume for a minute that TK does exist. The primary question is how? What causes objects to move? Forces cause the objects to move. What kind of forces are there? Contact force and, action-at-a-distance force.

Contact Forces                                  Action-at-a-Distance Forces
Frictional Force                                        Gravitational Force
Tension Force                                             Electrical Force
Normal Force                                              Magnetic Force
Air Resistance Force
Applied Force
Spring Force


Considering it is TK we are dealing with then contact forces are ruled out. As far as I can see it, electrical forces is the only likely force behind TK as it can apply to all objects not just magnetic ones. Also because the brain uses electricity to funtion. Now if TK were possible, then how exactly could someone move an object without the electrical force/charge being felt or sense by another person or object?
I mean, using simple electricity to move an object would create a feild that is sensed by a persons nerves. Static electricity demonstrates this quite easily. You can move a very light object with Static Electricity but you can also sense the electric field very easily before the discharge of energy.
How could this work in a casino with a significant distance from the ball that is constantly moving closer and farther in each revolution and without affecting other objects, electronics, or people?
And another question would be if the brain is capable of emitting that kind of energy, then why don't people fry their own brains while they are significantly stressed? I mean, dreams are a freaking horror show unlike any other, yet we still wake up feeling emotionally shaken at the worst of times, and experiencing no physical pain unless we have physically harmed ourselves.

Sure anything is possible, but really... Is it?

[Steve]

Sure anything is possible. It's more a question of is it likely.

I believe Telekinesis is real, but it is extremely, extremely rare. There are documented studies with clearly positive results, in particular in russia. But i have not seen anything new for some time. I'm not talking about magicians and trickery - thats another ball game.

We know gravity works, but dont understand how or why. If we did, it would certainly help to unlock how it may be controlled, and how the energy from thought/emotion can move or influence objects. If you are after a practical way to establish whether or not thought can influence an object without physical contact, see my earlier thread on RF about the rice experiment. It is widely replicated - very widely replicated. But it is dismissed because people dont see any logic in it. But not being able to understand something doesnt mean it's not real.

I personally think precognition is better to focus on. This is the reason for nolinks.genuinewinner.com/precog.html

I sincerely believe it is absolutely real. i dont know how it works. for now it is educated guesses, like how we attempt to describe gravity. I have seen papers from studies in this field which have been relayed by colleagues. see if you can find information about the majority vote method - this is what has produced clearly positive results. I have already done this with over 200 people now and just need to tally the results. At this stage i have no idea how it went, but regardless it wont be the last trial.

[bombus]

People just don't know what they don't know... period

There was this guy, I forget his name, but he was talking about mustard seeds and faith and stuff. And there was all this talk about moving mountains and nothing is impossible... well that sounds like the holy friggin grail to me.

[Davey-Jones]

How to do telekinesis / psychokinesis tutorial guide

I especially like the part about ignoring negative comments and opinions.

[Davey-Jones]

Another great one!

Fork bends with mind power! Amazing!!!

[cheese]

I think it's a pointless section and the subjects should be discussed elsewhere>>>

There have been many instances of precognition, especially in war time.  There are countless mothers who report knowing their son was dead, and a few hours later they find out it was true.  I think its something worth investigating.

[Davey-Jones]

Are you a shill?

[Davey-Jones]

By the way... I'm pretty sure there are a lot more mothers who reported their son(s) to be dead only to be wrong. Worried mothers is hardly an arguement for precognition. I'm sure that just as many people who win jackpots knew they were going to win that night, just like those who lost it all "Really thought tonight was the night for me." Quit posting lame speculation as though it were fact. Real statistics make a difference, at least to those of us who aren't shills.

[cheese]

Are you a shill?>>>


Nope, today I'm an aged chedder.      

[bombus]

today I'm an aged chedder.

Well that's just GRATE!..... hehehe!

[Jish]

Another great one!

lol.

[Steve]

If someone doesnt believe in the potential of this kind of research, sure say what you think, but dont hang around ostracizing others that do believe in it and want to work on it. No opinions or research will be suppressed, and ostracizing of members or their beliefs will not be tolerated. Eventually all truth comes out one way or another, but it doesnt happen with a closed mind.

[Davey-Jones]

You know Steve, that comment is probably the most ignorant thing you have said so far. You are just as bad in assuming that none of the skeptics have even bothered looking into this for themselves. Why don't YOU stop ostracizing those who have in fact looked into this and found nothing significant that could apply to roulette.

The fact of the matter is this. The overwhelming majority of proof for TK is suspect. The overwhelming majority of TK videos and demos can be attributed to simple trickery. Is this to say TK doesn't exist? No, but there isn't much to say it does either. There are some that fall within the realm of unknown, but they are very few. Even those who say that they are able to use TK generally only move Psi Wheels, and still have difficultly doing it consistantly after many many months/years of training. How would one expect to control a roulette ball? Even if it could create an edge, it takes WAY less time to learn DS, VB or to collect data on defective wheels. All I am saying is the persuing of TK as a method to beat roulette will be a rather uphill battle that will likely yeild no consistant advantage.

[Davey-Jones]

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