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[husky]

Hello. 

I'm not new on this forum, spent hours of reading your systems, ideas and results.   I play roulette for years, and only roulette of all casino games.   At first, I spent my time with my girl and friend in local casinos.   Then went online on Dublinbet which changed my perspective from fun play for money ment for that evening, to way to earn money. 

At first, Dublinbet and few other casinos of Vuetec have 10-15% bonus for every offer.   That's the main reason why I'm there.   Rare casinos have the opportunity to wager the bonus on roulette.   Dublinbet has that option.   So you deposit and just play for day or two, the bonus is cleared, and you withdraw your money. 

I spent more hours with the pen and paper, than playing.   Because, it's hard to have 15% yield on any roulette system, any other casino game, sports betting.  .  .  .   or any part of economic business.   So my goal was - how to play for a day - and not lose a euro.   Or even have the tollerance to earn a few € or lose a few €.  If you don't lose - you win 15% od starting bank.  Fabulous.

Deposit of 301 € gives us 346 (+45 €) at start, 3115 € of wagering requirement, and a 48 hour account lock for withdrawals. 

Through years I was losing, winning, tactics, systems, progressive betting, streets, corners, doubles, singles, sectors.  .  .  .   the result was:

- a lot of time spent
- progressive betting wasn't low risk
- starting play was low stakes, small winnings, small wagering
- later play was out of control, big stakes, and too small bank resulted with 0 € often

And what we all have problems - my psichology was ruined when playing for a lot of time.   Angry cause of the loss, put more money in and played stupid bets wanting to get money back which would never give good results. 

But one thing through years stayed in my head - wheel patterns.   I wrote numbers most of the played times.   Bank situation of the specific tactic was always in the excel.   Always same thing happening.   There is a saying - sometimes you win - sometimes you lose.   But on Roulette wheel, from my experience, was not that it was a saying - it is a rule. 

Take any number, any sector, any part of the table or wheel.   Play flat.   Sometimes it won't happen for spins and spins, sometimes it will happen every xx spins, sometimes it hits and hits.   When it hits and hits, a lot other things on the board are losing big.   So - we have a win or lose situation. 

Now, how do you use that? Luckily, years of studying systems helped me with that.   Forums, systems, math, statistics, numerous calculations.  .  .  .   and the result is funny.   I have a newbie-looking system, in excel, having low loss expectance, wagering friendly - and solid profit. 

Yield with 3115 € wagering requirement played wih 0,5/number bets goes up to 25%.   Thats 6230 units, with an average of 20-30 units per spin when playing.   Start is with an average of 10 units, maximum played is up to 100 units, but very rare.   Not every spin is played.   More spins are skipped than played.   Most of the time when the trigger is activated to play, less than 10 throws gives the profit. 

I came up with 20 patterns written and packed in one excel table.   Number written after every spin in the first column is implemented with the formulas in the pattern rows, so there is a trigger with every pattern.   Not easy to monitor and play all 20 even with the excel pointing at it, so I look to play when there is someone at the table - there is more time between spins. 

I believe there is a lot more than 20 patterns for the wheel's computer monitored algorithm.   I have a clue on few more, but not proven.   These 20 are proven.   But the richness of the system is that you don't have to play all 20.   You may play 1, 2, 10, 15.  .  .  .   Thing is, with 37 numbers on the wheel, I haven't found patterns for all of them.   2 don't have "partners".   The maximum is 4 patterns found for a number.   So, when you play, repeat of some number gives greater profit, some number when repeated gives more minus.   That is the reason, why I don't play all the time.   As there is a trigger for start, there is a trigger to stop the play. 

According to more non-played spins than played, there is a lot more patterns for the wheel.   I'm not able to recognise them yet.   Working on few more, but 20 is quite enough.   10 really good ones would be the optimum for play.   Yet, if they'd apper to often, the wheel wouldn't look random.   I don't believe it is, my records and results in play show something else. 

Didn't have time last days to have too much testings of the all 20 patterns.   The only I tested big was last week's one morning, 161 spins, every spin played, entered in excel.  .  .  .   it gave little more than 2000 unit profit.   That's 12 units per spin.   The bad thing with the testing was that I didn't write financial ups and downs.   It was with the imaginary bank.   Didn't seem to go down low.   But the next day, I've put in 301 €, that's 690 units with the bonus, and lost.   Had ups and down, but at the moment, 690 starting units wasn't enough.   From then, I stop all 20 when I get a good profit.   And from then, a long-term yield of 10-20% is normal.   I need more patters to play them all the time.   Or play less to have enough money in the bank and profit going with slower speed. 

My rule is always to deposit 301 €.   Lower deposit means 10% bonus, higher deposit means nothing but risking more money that is locked and risked.   I reserved 900 (300*3) for playing and for 2 months, never lost it.   More than 1000 in the bank is returned in my pocket.   In the future, I have a bank plan similar to the easy system played for the patterns.  Every pattern's expected loss is 100 on normal play, or 200 units on long term play.  With 20 patterns it means theoretically maximum minus for the game is 4000 units.  Which means that for few dozens of spins come out those 2 numbers I don't have pattern for.  Impossible.  Expected maximum is around 1000 or 2000 on looong term play at once, without stopping on stop-triggers.  Our bank gives us real maximum of 600 unit loss.  Which is very low due to amount earned while good patterns flow.

My point is that Dublinbet's roulette wheel is not random at all.   It has patterns, 20 found, 10 approx yet to be found.   Could take me months, but in those few months, I'll record these 20, have a true long-term income for every, and try to eliminate few of them, so every number would be included in 1 to 3 patterns.   Then, I could play all the time, have less risk for the bank and be able to play them any time, even with fast throwing situation. 

My problem wth the wheel, and your problem with me is - hard to test too much.   Pattern can't be tested on RX, few milion spins in few seconds.  .  .  .   Pattern can sleep for xx spins, while some other loses.   That's inevitable, but gives you doubts when you look at the table's records for few dozens of spins.   So, somebody has to sit in front of the computer and write numbers for days, not missing any.   In that 161 spin test, not every of the 20 patters had profit.   Some had few hundreds od units earned, some had a little loss. 

I even thought to recruit a student to write down numbers so I'd had a big database.  But when you leave someone alone, he can sleep for few hours and write down any number he wants for that period.  I'm a father of two kids, have a private business, so I don't have time and ways to test this system with quality.   Though I spend a lot of time writing and analysing my play on paper, it is for example when I'm waiting somewhere, sitting on the toilet, babysitting my kids.  .  .  .   but when I'm at the computer, and have time and privacy to open and play roulette without distraction, that little time I use to play for money, not sit and look.   That is the way I lost a lot money in the past.   Even my feeling told me >don't play now, not your numbers, not good concentration<, I played and lost.   Luckily, these patterns don't trigger all the time, so I have more time not to play, to analyse, and.  .  .  .   to write this. 

Good number database could help me, but so far, I enjoy playing these 20 patterns, and don't rush anywhere.   The bad thing for readers is that I'm not willing to give away the patterns I found for free because too much time I spent figuring it out, and the worst thing - situation when a lot of people play same numbers may change the way the wheel throws, because it has a input-output calculation programmed, giving approx 95-99% back.

If anyone else plays that wheel, I'm open for discussion of new patterns.   I never play table 2 on Dublinbet, and never tested these patterns.   Never play any else table on any else casino on the internet.   That's more time needed, but life's too short.   

[husky]

Yesterday deposited 310 + 15% bonus = 356,5.    Yesterday little morning and little evening play.    Today less than 20 spins played, profit nice.    The bonuses are 33.   365% cleared.    Yet 2138 € to play.   

[cheese]

Great post. Do you think Dublin cheats? I also sent you a personal message.

[Steve]

I've never heard of dublin cheating. Only casinos in parts like costa rica. Dublin is subject to strict gaming laws.

[cheese]

He said Dublin's wheel is not random. If they aren't cheating, it has to be random.

[Steve]

Nothing is ever random. But if you're talking about rng play, that's plain unpredictable and you cant benefit from it, but still not exactly random. But I assume you mean real wheels. Exactly how is it not "random" from what you have found?

[cheese]

Husky says its not random. I think he means its a biased wheel. If thats the case, with thousands of people playing it every day, and many of them bias wheel players, they would be exploiting it 24/7 and I don't think Dublin is stupid enough t let that happen.

[husky]

Hi.

It is random.  I can never guess the next number.

But when you look at my patterns, and look at the wheel, you can see when the wheel is throwing pattern-friendly, and when the pattern is sleeping.

Take a simple look at any single, double, corner, six line. . . .  You will notice 3 types of showing:

- no showing at all
- rare showing (in some reason)
- hitting it, its sector, its corner, its partner, its pattern. . . .

Anyone can see the first one.  Triggers I mentioned make the difference between second and third option.  Patterns seen on thousands of spins make the difference what numbers come along with the specific number.  By my way of seeing, table is random, but every number has the purpose of falling.

Ex.  - you see 10 last spins.  All red.  BUT, there are 10 red numbers.  Are they all low? Are they all orphelins? Are they all connected somehow? I say, if 10 numbers of red fall, none of this is possible.  Neither all same on the second criteria, neither completely different.  Than wait few hundreds of spins, till new 10 red appear.  See again what happened with them.  You'll probably see some pattern.  Then you need 10 more 10 reds to confirm or deny it.

Point is, when a red number is thrown, and 9 red are thrown before - it's purpose was to support red numbers.  My pattern is mostly not active at that moment.  None of my patterns include numbers of the same color.  But if doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that can be taken as an advantage.

Not simple to analyze, told you.  Months of play or history analysing.  Not easy to decide how long do you play those numbers.  I have a clue on that too.  Dublinbet has a fixed number of a maximum pattern repeating.  What ever you play, it has an end of repeating.  That can't be random too.  But it's not a rule if it will repeat it through exact number of spins.  But it has an end, triggered by a simple rule.

For example, if the wheel threw 15 or 20 tier numbers (small series, 33-27 on the wheel) - I think that Vuetec would go bankrupt.  A looooot of players play that.  Note, free pattern (not on my list) rule, 6 times is the most maximum for those.  Sometimes has 1 intruder of other kind, so comes in 7 spins, but that counts too.  Only six most.  And than it runs out to orphelins or voisins du zero and hardly comes back to tier.  They can't let it happen.  But, if it goes hadly red, those red will be spread accros the table so no sector will win, none third will win. . . .  playing colors gives you only double money, yet, most people when a lot reds come, progress on black, losing big time.  So color showing is I think more profitable.  Sector showing is not good for them because most people play sector that hits, increase when it's coming, decrease when it's not coming.

[Steve]

To analyze bias you need to analyze a lot of spins - at least if you look for single number bias rather than sector. Plus you should at least analyze different directions separately. Many times my players and i have found biased wheels online - you'd think they'd do something about it, and they do, but usually not before the smarter players are able to benefit from it. Nevertheless, a bias alone online being great enough to beat the wheel is very rare. But if you do a thorough enough analysis, for sure you can find various types of bias that you combine with other methods for an increased overall edge. Beating roulette is about getting whatever edge you can from wherever you can, then combining it into a singular method for maximum edge and practical play.

[husky]

The 48hour withdrawal restriction ended this evening, went aggressively without stopping.    Played numbers were:

26 start
5
17
7
31
9
0
26
27
11
8
28
34
30
4
0
19
32
31
20
13
22
33
13
35
5
35
2
26
34
0
5
4
30
33
17
26
30
16
11
15
6
5
21
9
27
22
5
14
12 end (due to wagering requirement, not the system end)

And a loss is here.    My starting bank was as shown, 667 €.    Peak high was 717, peak low was 520 €.    With next 8 fallen watching while writing this, would have some more return to around 700.    And then a miss with 30 and a few euros played, following 2 triggers to stop.    I didn't miss much obviously.    Big minus at the picture for the day three is cause of the high level at midnight.   

Satisfied with a bank doubled in 48 hours, effective 2 hours of play, and approx 3-4 hours waiting for the triggers or logging in and leaving the casino after seeing negative results.   

Will carry on experimenting.    I have 3-4 patters yet to be furfilled.    Still only 2-3 numbers proven on any.    Need 4 to qualifiy as a pattern, and a week or two to confirm it.   

[Steve]

Are these spins from a particular direction? Or both directions combined?

[husky]

I don't watch that.  Either way, the result is managed by a magnet.  A computer.  Dealer and the direction of the throw mean no difference for the result.

[Steve]

Are you saying that dublinbet is cheating with magnets?

[cheese]

>>Either way, the result is managed by a magnet.  A computer.>>

You are the second experienced player I've seen accuse Dublin of using magnets. I'm starting to wonde if its true. I do OK playin on paper but have trouble when I make real bets. Something is not right there.

[husky]

Are you saying that dublinbet is cheating with magnets?

I ask you - which doesn't.  I had 3 posts till today on this forum.  One of them was on this subject, a year ago.

I played RNG casinos, and I'm sure they're programmed to give back approx.  95 to 99%.

Land casinos with electronic roulettes are also programmed, but their return falls down to 80% due to higher operating costs, lower traffic, and their survival.

You are wrong if you think the goverments are protecting us.  They take taxes from playing.  20% of the profit of the casino.  So their ass is in our bets too.

I have a official proof of that too.  I don't know for other countries, but Croatia has the "Law for games based on luck" to regulate all games such as lotto, betting, casinos etc.  The law has this part:

>>>Članak 63.

Automati za igre na sreću moraju biti tako konstruirani, odnosno podešeni, da na ukupan broj programiranih kombinacija isplaćuju igračima najmanje 80% od vrijednosti uplata za sudjelovanje u igrama na sreću u tromjesečnom razdoblju, uz bilježenje ulaza I izlaza mehaničkim brojčanicima. <<<

On English: The automatic gaming equipment must be constructed, or fixed, to on all the programmed combinations give back the players at least 80% of the pay in during the three month period, using mechanical counters to register payins and payouts.

So check out your country laws.  Internet casinos mostly open in countries where the laws of gambling are better for them.  But locals (electronic) and RNG's are the worst option to play.

This is the law.  You just can't tell me all the spins are natural phisics.  Not all of them are directed, I can't say for all of them, but the ball is sometimes doing miracles.  Jumping out of the number, skipping a sector, fast increasing or decreasing speed.  Most of the time, ball falls down from the wooden part, directly to numbers, and sits in a number as iz has no inertia.  Next time, hops aruond. . . .

If I could record those spins, I'd show you some really weird stuff.

[husky]

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