STANDARD DEVIATION BEATING EUROPEAN ROULETTE WHEELS???

[cubanopro]

I have been testing with the following method and progression:

I start using the 1 1 4 progresion.  If I get a loss then I wait until the missing dozen reappears then I start tracking again.  When I am ready to bet again I use 2 2 8 until I get back to profit then I revert back to 1 1 4.  If I lose at this level I will follow the same procedure then start betting with a 3 3 12 progression until back in profit.  So far I haven't needed to go beyond this level and I usually return to profit fairly quickly.

Ross

Hi Ross! Thanks for your work! Now I have to tell you that it doesn't matter waiting for the missing dozen to fall... Remember the wheel doesn't remember anything and so it doesn't change anything at all whether you wait or not... The standard deviation doesn't change either... it will still be 68% of the time every 5 spins each dozen will still come out between 1 and 3 times, regardless of for how many spins the dozen #3 has been missing. Anyways I'm happy to see that you're as positive as I am with my system and I encourage you to keep that good energy, but I don't suggest you keep wasting your time waiting for the missing dozen to fall. This whole system is based on standard deviation, therefore you contradict yourself by waiting...

Hope my response was useful my friend!

[medo]

I don't understand the last sentence.. I would be better off overthere?? Where?

Never mind,eventually you might get it,but nothing
to be worried about,just a thought it was.

[rossco]

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you in theory however I have noticed that at times when a dozen is sleeping you are better to wait for it to hit again and then start again and so avoid what could be a costly series of losses.

[TicTacToe]

Here's an idea ...don't know if you'll get the gist of it ... hope so...

You say the SD is 68% every 5 spins

Now if we take the 5 spin groups and count them as 1 win or loss ... can we calculate a SD for this series ?


Take it from there boys ....


TTT

If this doesn't make sense then just ignore it

[medo]

Ofcourse it does.That is something very constructive,to further explore.

[Herb6]

Regarding your use of standard deviations:

You're using it backwards.  Here's why:

1. Each spin of the wheel is an independent event.  This means the dozens don't become "due to hit" just because the std is high.
2. You're limiting the number of spins you can play by standing around waiting.
3. Chasing losing numbers by measuring the std on them is a great way to accidently end up betting on a defective number.  Some numbers don't hit as often as they should for good reasons.
4. Betting more as you lose limits the amount of money you can win because the initial bets are low.


Here's how to use it correctly:

1. Forget about the dozens.  There are too many numbers in each dozen and it's unlikely that they will all remain winners over time.
2. Measure the standard deviation on the individual numbers to see if they're hitting more frequently than they should be hitting.  Use a much larger sample of spins.  
3. Bet fewer numbers.
4. Track more spins.
5. Bet more as you WIN, not more as you lose.  This way you can open with a larger bet and win more.
By betting on the "winners" you will have a greater chance of winning.  Every now and then a pocket can get a little "sticky" and you can catch a nice run.

Good luck,

Herb6

[cubanopro]

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you in theory however I have noticed that at times when a dozen is sleeping you are better to wait for it to hit again and then start again and so avoid what could be a costly series of losses.

Hi Rossco! I'm sorry man but if you want to convince me of something you have to put some facts on the table. Based on what (other than your own experience as a player) can you firmly say that it is better to wait for a sleeping dozen to come out before betting on it? I'm sorry in advance if this by any means sounds at all rude because I'm not trying to, it is simply something to think about. A statement like that doesn't make any sense at all. You will also lose a series of wins by waiting...anyways I encourage you to keep thinking on my system. That way we will probably achieve something.
Thanks for your posts man! I apreciate it!

[cubanopro]

You say the SD is 68% every 5 spins

Now if we take the 5 spin groups and count them as 1 win or loss ... can we calculate a SD for this series ?

Hi TTT! Man I'm afraid you might have to elaborate a bit more on the subject... what exactly are you suggesting? I have already discussed this previously if it has something to do with changing the progression. At one point I was thinking of changing my progression and do something like :

(my normal sessions length are around 30 spins or so)

30 spins = 6 set of 5 spins.
Technically I will win 68% of every set therefore 6*0.68= 4.08 ≈ 4
Now if I calculate the third SD (99.7%) it says:
6 * 0.68 * 0.32 = 1.1426 (squared root)
1.1426 * 3= 3.4279
Mean= 4 (the number of sets I should win in theory)

Result: Every 6 sets of 5 spins 99.7% of the time I will win between ≈ 1 and 7 sets (which is impossible since there are only 6 sets in 30 spins...so I can only win 6 and not 7)
This also means that only 0.3% of the time I will win 0 set.

Knowing this I could create some kind of progression and adjust so that I only lose 0,3%...but rest assured that this will in the long run be a losing formula since 0.3% of the time will be more than enough to take away all of our bankroll.

Lol all this explanation may have been in vain since I'm not even sure this is what you were asking... (I hope that it was)

[cubanopro]

Regarding your use of standard deviations:

You're using it backwards.  Here's why:

1. Each spin of the wheel is an independent event.  This means the dozens don't become "due to hit" just because the std is high.
2. You're limiting the number of spins you can play by standing around waiting.
3. Chasing losing numbers by measuring the std on them is a great way to accidently end up betting on a defective number.  Some numbers don't hit as often as they should for good reasons.
4. Betting more as you lose limits the amount of money you can win because the initial bets are low.


Here's how to use it correctly:

1. Forget about the dozens.  There are too many numbers in each dozen and it's unlikely that they will all remain winners over time.
2. Measure the standard deviation on the individual numbers to see if they're hitting more frequently than they should be hitting.  Use a much larger sample of spins.  
3. Bet fewer numbers.
4. Track more spins.
5. Bet more as you WIN, not more as you lose.  This way you can open with a larger bet and win more.
By betting on the "winners" you will have a greater chance of winning.  Every now and then a pocket can get a little "sticky" and you can catch a nice run.

Good luck,

Herb6

Hey man first of all thanks a lot for your post! These are the kind of responses that I like to read. Everything looks interesting but before changing my method I of course would need to code this and then try it with your improvements to see the change.

On the other hand, I must say that it is not crazy to bet on numbers instead of dozens. I had already think of that but since it was going very well with dozens I kept on going. But I guess there's no harm in calculating for numbers... The bet more as I win part is the one I don't get...why would this advantage me?? How am I better off by opening with a larger bet? Also when you say : dozens have too many numbers and it's unlikely that they will remain winners over time?? What do you mean? It is a fact what I found with standard deviation... It has nothing to do with having to many numbers or not.. Regardless of the amount of numbers each dozen will fall between 1 and 3 times 68% of the time every 5 spins. Anyways tell me what you think! This is definitely some good team work we've got over here!

Thanks again for your time!  

[Jean-Claud]

Herb is a BIAS player. His advantage is comming from the phisics of the wheel

[beretta28]

ROSSCO: your comment on the sleeping dozen is ridiculous.
             Cubanopro is trying to illustrate his method with numbers and formulas:I 'd like to see yours ,confirming your stupid
             theory on sleeping dozen


Cubanopro:your goal now is ONLY to have the confirmation of your theory through tests(Excel? VB? may be not enough!)
                Is there anyone available to do that?
               
                I have only a problem with your method: every spin you play 12 numbers(the Dozen),so you have 67,56%               probability to lose .The Standard Deviation  can't modify that,mainly in the short term.
What I'm afraid is that at the end,like all systems,after thousand spins your balance will be  ZERO,less 2,70% of the total amount of money put on the table.
Probailities are stronger than STD!! I hope I'm mistaken

[MATTJONO]

SORRY FOR THE LACK OF WORDS.....BUT WHY SHARE SUCH A SYSTEM ONLINE== MAYBE  BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR CASINO. (MY OPINION);
-LOTS OF WAITING BEFORE BETTING.
-AND THE WAY THE DOZENS ARE PLACED ON THE WHEEL CAN MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR THE DEALER TO AIM AWAY FROM THE DOZEN YOUR BETTING ON. (WHICH IS WHY PLAYING AT A VERY BUSY TABLE WOULD BE BETTER UNLIKE WHAT  Cubanopro SAID DONT PLAY AT A BUSY TABLE) QUIET TABLE MAKES IT EASIER FOR DEALER TO AIM.

YES YES WHY WOULD THEY AIM....WELL I BELIVE ITS BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.
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STICK TO OBSERVATIONS OF WHATS HAPPENING AT THE TIME------PRACTICE MAKES YOU MORE EXPERIENCED OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE WHEEL.


MATTJONO

[cubanopro]

ROSSCO: your comment on the sleeping dozen is ridiculous.
             Cubanopro is trying to illustrate his method with numbers and formulas:I 'd like to see yours ,confirming your stupid theory on sleeping dozen

Cubanopro:your goal now is ONLY to have the confirmation of your theory through tests(Excel? VB? may be not enough!)
                Is there anyone available to do that?
               
                I have only a problem with your method: every spin you play 12 numbers(the Dozen),so you have 67,56%               probability to lose .The Standard Deviation  can't modify that,mainly in the short term.
What I'm afraid is that at the end,like all systems,after thousand spins your balance will be  ZERO,less 2,70% of the total amount of money put on the table.
Probailities are stronger than STD!! I hope I'm mistaken

Hi beretta28! Thank you for your post and your interest but I think we don't need to start treating other people's ideas as being ''stupid''. Besides we're all here trying to achieve something as a group...if we start fighting between ourselves it's the casino that wins! It's US against THEM...not US against OURSELVES.. Everybody is free to suggest any theory they'd  like and it will never or at least should never be considered as stupid or irrelevant. Let's keep a good level of respect on this thread as we have done it since the beginning. Thanks!

Now concerning what you were asking me...I'm not sure this system could survive the long term... in fact that is the main reason I am still very up on my winnings...because I have only played for around 3000 spins.. I suppose that by the time I will be on my 10 000 spin I should start going downhill (or even before that...who knows?). All I really wanted to do is try to get this coded so that I would have the certainty that it doesn't work long term without having to lose any bankroll...

That's why I'm really hoping to get someone to code this... Any volunteers???  

[cubanopro]

SORRY FOR THE LACK OF WORDS.....BUT WHY SHARE SUCH A SYSTEM ONLINE== MAYBE   BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR CASINO. (MY OPINION);
-LOTS OF WAITING BEFORE BETTING.
-AND THE WAY THE DOZENS ARE PLACED ON THE WHEEL CAN MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR THE DEALER TO AIM AWAY FROM THE DOZEN YOUR BETTING ON. (WHICH IS WHY PLAYING AT A VERY BUSY TABLE WOULD BE BETTER UNLIKE WHAT  Cubanopro SAID DONT PLAY AT A BUSY TABLE) QUIET TABLE MAKES IT EASIER FOR DEALER TO AIM.

YES YES WHY WOULD THEY AIM....WELL I BELIVE ITS BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.

Hi Mattjono! Sorry to disappoint you in your big theory of conspiracy lol but I do not work for any casino and I do not have the intention to start working for one of them any time soon... Let me recap what you said...

Lots of waiting before betting.. lol when did you read that?? If you find that waiting for 2 spins is a lot of waiting well then I would not like being with you in say...a plane to cross the Atlantic ocean... Lol it takes more than 5 minutes

Cubanopro said don't play at a busy table... that's funny because I believe what I said was:
''I usually don't go on very busy nights because it's very slow when too many people playing at the same time'' ... someone asked me about the details of my playing sessions. I always say that everyone is free to play the way they want..

Last thing Mattjono... I just though of something... If I was indeed working for a casino, which one would that be??? The casino of the world?? lol how would my post be considered as any kind of advertising for any casino? I'm not even suggesting a casino in particular so how would the casino I ''supposedly work for'' benefit from my post? Anyways I wish you a good day my friend but I have to admit I had fun with your theory.
Take care!

[cubanopro]

So guys have we found someone to code this yet???

[cubanopro]

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