John's street system.

[John Gold]

Hello George, Thanks very much for your input, I am going to take a look at it.
I remember reading a book some years ago called the future gambler and the author thought it was possible to gain a small edge by playing a one step up as you win game. So your ideas certainly sounds interesting.
I will give it a whirl and get back to you with some results.

[hermes]

You can play successfully that idea but you have to adjust the strategy! Your strategy with the sleepers don't works. Mark spins until only 4 streets are left over (sleepers). Next, wait for a first hit on those 4 sleepers, that's a trigger to bet all 4 with your progression but only for one hit, then reset. That first hit happens around 25th-30th spin and your winning hit comes before spin 37.
That is 99% winning strategy.
Cheers Hermes

[Jeromin]

You can play successfully that idea but you have to adjust the strategy! Your strategy with the sleepers don't works. Mark spins until only 4 streets are left over (sleepers). Next, wait for a first hit on those 4 sleepers, that's a trigger to bet all 4 with your progression but only for one hit, then reset. That first hit happens around 25th-30th spin and your winning hit comes before spin 37.
That is 99% winning strategy.
Cheers Hermes

Sounds right, patience is the only weapon against the house edge. One question, Hermes. If the first hit happens from the 25th spin and a second hit comes before spin 37, does that mean we need a 12 step progression? Personally I'd be more comfortable with a two stage, 5 step progression.

Jeromin

[sarif]

how do i play this im really confused reading from first post to last is there a dummys guide please help i would like to try this strategy.cheers

[hermes]

Jeromin, you will never need more than 10 step progression. The second hit comes mostly very soon. If the conditions meet at spin 25th you will be finished sooner, if at 30th you will get a hit until spin 37 anyway. Try it, it is amusing how it works.
Sarif, read it again. Repetition is the mother of wisdom.
Hermes

[Kingspin]

I played this system by just tracking until there are 4 un hit streets then bet these 4 streets and without waiting for them to hit first (trigger).   I can't see how it makes a great deal of difference waiting for the trigger.  The system either way is pretty solid. I won 10 hours of games without a bust with this method.

[Allin]

If you play flat bet its solid, Just try 3 flat bets and stop.  Quit when 25 units up and play other systems.

[SpinTester]

Hi John,

Just thought I would post to let you know am having good success with this on random. org random generated numbers, currently played 35 Sessions for a +220 profit 

I will continue testing over the next few days and hopefully get up to 250+ sessions.   If this goes OK, will test on RNG wheel.   

[SpinTester]

Hi All,

Have now completed 100 Sessions to a total profit of +660 Units 

Will continue on testing with random. org numbers. . . . .

[John Gold]

Spin Tester, out of curiosity, how excactly are you playing it.
Are you waiting for the 5 missing streets to go missing for 15+ spins each and then using the progression (my preferred way of dicing with death  )  or are you using some other alternative.
cheers and glad you are enjoying testing this idea. 

[John Gold]

Here is the way I personally test.
I use actuals from the Spielbank Wiesbaden Casino and open up the 'magic streets v 1.0' software that you will find in the downloads.
All you need to do is input the numbers. Here is an attatchment that shows you.

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So here, you can see that the 5 missing streets are 6, 8, 9, 10 and 12. They have all went missing for 15+ spins each. Now you use the progression (you can make up whatever progression you like) You will notice that you would have had a win 2 spins later on the number 36. To get the first bet takes a few spins, but after that, you will be surprised how frequently they come.
I have did a lot of testing with this variation and the highest step I have went to in a progression is 8. That is over thousands of spins.
Of course a loss is out there waiting to happen, it could come sooner rather than later. On saying that, it can be a steady earner and it is possible to build up a few bankrolls before the bust comes and that would certainly cushion the blow. Enjoy. 

[SpinTester]

Hi John,

I think I am playing the original variation of the system. . . . .

Have now played 200 Sessions, the first 160 were from random. org and the final 40 were dublinbet actuals.

My profit now stands at +1336, stats are. . . . .

                                        Bets to Win      Profit
1st Spin after Qualify   Times - 72   Profit - 576
2nd Spin after Qualify   Times - 40   Profit - 160
3rd Spin after Qualify   Times - 23   Profit - 184
4th Spin after Qualify   Times - 29   Profit - 232
5th Spin after Qualify   Times - 9           Profit - 36
6th Spin after Qualify   Times - 10   Profit - 40
7th Spin after Qualify   Times - 6           Profit - 24
8th Spin after Qualify   Times - 6           Profit - 48
9th Spin after Qualify   Times - 4           Profit - 32
10th Spin after Qualify   Times - 1           Profit - 4
Totals Sessions           200                   Total Profit - 1336

I track spins until 4 street have not been seen, then bet as per progression.   Once I have a win, the betting spins are added to the bottom of my tracking list, and I then cross off from the top of the list until I have another 4 unique streets.   I then bet as per progression again, rinse and repeat.   I quite like playing this way as once the tracking has been done, you usually get quite a lot of betting opportunities.

I have also developed a different progression which takes advantage of the fact that the majority of wins come between 1 and 5 spins after you have qualified through tracking, which is;

3,4,5,6,11,17,25,37,56,84 (Per Street Bet)

24,20,16,16,16,12,8,4,4,8 would be the profit for each bet, which takes advantage of the fact I just stated above.

This progression would have given me over 6000 units profit in the same 200 sessions!!  It does however lose a total of 1000 units should you go beyond the 10th spin.   I have not used this yet, just developed the progression on my tracking spreadsheet.

I have paper tested several systems so far using both random. org numbers and actuals and can honestly say I havent yet seen one that hasnt at some point burst through the top of its progression. . . . . .  until now.   Even if I had burst once using the original progression, my profit would still be almost 1000 units!!  I have only come close to this (9th or 10th spin) a total of 5 sessions out of 200!!

I am going to continue testing, either using actuals or playing a live wheel, and will continue to post my findings    I dont think it will take me much convincing to try playing this with real money at dublinbet. . . . .

[John Gold]

Hello Spin Tester, thanks for such a detailed report. It is nice to get some feedback.
I am going to take a look at your progression, it looks interesting. A lot of the wins do come early and that looks a great way to benefit.
On a side note, they used to be a guy on the roulette forums years ago called 'ivorsmallholding' Anyway, he had developed a system for sectors and he swore by using a progression much like yours to take advantage of the early wins.
Back on topic, here is another attatchment from the same actuals I used in the example above and this shows the next bet. This time, the 5 missing streets are 2, 8, 9, 11 and 12.  You will see there was a win on the very next spin on number 24. The only downside here is that it took a further 40 or so spins for a bet. That is not normal as anyone will see if they do some testing. The bets normally come quicker than that.

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The way I look at it is like this. If you have 5 streets missing for 15+ spins and then use a 10 step progression, that takes you to 25 spins. It is a rare occurence that it will go a full 25 spins without one of those 5 missing streets hitting. Now it maybe that this has no edge whatsoever, but what I like about it is the fact that you can build up some steady wins. It has to better than just going and scattering your chips anywhere (although some will disagree) Anyway, thanks again Spin Tester and I look forward to hearing how your testing develops.

[John Gold]

Here is another quick example from a random day I chose from the Spielbank Wiesbaden Casino.

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I will list out on what spin the bet came, when the win came, and the number of spins it took to get the win.

1) spin 28 - 33 (5)
2) spin 33 - 34 (1)
3) spin 34 - 35 (1)
4) spin 68 - 69 (1)
5) spin 70 - 71 (1)
6) spin 71 - 74 (3)

Nothing there to give anyone heart failure     On my testing with the 5 missing streets waiting for 15+ spins variation,the average is about a bet every 12 spins. That may not be to everbody's liking. I like it as a good hit and run strategy. 100 spins should give you about 7 or 8 bets. Make a few units and quit with a profit. 

[SpinTester]

Hi John,

Started testing on Spielbank Wiesbaden spins, not so good so far, 2 total losses but profit would still be +888 units.

Will continue testing. . . . . .

[SpinTester]

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