The 4Selecta system

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I am having a devil of a time with this system.  I've got it down to a science as far as the notations, but I went down 98u in 104 spins today and quit there.

Have you ever tried this on any wheel except Spielbank?  Do you believe certain systems will only work on certain wheels?

I will keep on trying.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I am going to input my 104 numbers from todays session.  Wild Jack 8.9.8

26
0
29
13
19
16
22
24
14
34
13
35
17
30
35
30
33
6
35
28
21
16
36
4
3
30
11
25
23
18
21
30
19
16
2
24
12
9
5
33
14
6
21
8
10
24
29
18
26
14
8
35
4
32
6
26
13
15
27
31
33
15
21
36
13
8
21
31
24
36
12
23
19
21
33
23
12
27
34
1
16
21
26
1
6
3
9
11
13
1
15
13
26
26
17
32
23
26
26
22
32
19
22
23

I have double checked these numbers for accuracy.  Would you please run them see if you get a loss of around 98u?

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
The Wild Jack wheel shouldn't be a problem. If you can produce some more spins then we can see if the results are in line with Spielbank.
 
I realise now that I should clarify the rules on the availability of numbers and I apologise for any confusion. At the start of a session the first section is worked out and that gives us our first number.
 
26
0
29
13
---
19
16
22
---
 
There is no problem so far as the first section is a C section and we want the same again for the next section. We have the number 13 available so we can place our first bet.
   
We now have two numbers available 13 and 22.
 
24
14
34
   
For this third section we also want a C section next but we would need an L Group number and there are none available. It appears therefore to be a no bet, but those available numbers 13 and 22 would qualify for a MG section and therefore a bet is placed in the expectation of a M Group number coming in.
 
13
 
Did you have this down as a no bet?
 

[Mr Chips]

I have revised the explanation of this system  on page 1 headed ' GROUP SECTIONS' in the hope that it will be understood by the majority of people here as I realise the difficulty you have had in understanding any of it.
 
I really do consider this system as something special based on the results of  the testing I have done so far. It really needs a number of other people to test it as well, different spins than Spielbank and then to confirm my assessment of the system or disagree and produce their results.
 
Mr Chips

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

Yes, I've been doing it wrong since the get-go.  Frankly, I think it's me, not you.  I've had this question all along, but I did not want to ask as I asked it once and that should have been enough.

I will rework those numbers.

You know, I might not have even asked the question.  This has been very confusing.  Here it is:

If you can have a

CG
LG
LG...........and that be an L section

Why can't you have an

LG
LG
CG.......and that also be an L section.  You see, I'm operating under the "knowledge" that you omit all repeaters until you have a non-repeater.

LG......omit
LG
CG
LG.....no an LG section.

Which is right?

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Did you have this down as a no bet?...you wrote

Yes, I would have, but those first numbers were the ones on the marquee before I actually was playing.  When I log on, there are 12 numbers showing and I quickly write them down.  My first actual bet was on the number 6 which is 18 number down.

30
33
then
6

I was wanting Complete Section so I bet HIGH group.

Sam
 

[TwoCatSam]

In your very first post you wrote:

12 LG
5 MG
20 LG
----
Two LG and one MG qualify.

13 MG
7 HG
9 HG.........two HG in a row and it still qualifies.
----
26 HG
6 MG
32 MG
----
4 MG
15 MG
21 LG
31 MG
----
Here there are two MG then LG and finally MG. There can only be one representative from each Group, therefore 4 MG and 15 MG count as one representative from the M Group.

The confusing parts are in red, of course.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
I will try and nail down these last few problems.
 
CG
LG
LG is an LG section
---
LG
LG
CG cannot be an LG section. The first LG has to be ignored and then you are left with an incomplete section. There must be a third Group number to complete the section.
 
LG
LG
CG
LG is an LG section. The first LG is ignored and then you have 2 x LG and 1 CG.
 
I hope it's clear now that the number in the very first section of a session is noted in the Table and the numbers available area on the sheet. The next section there will be a bet.
 
If for example you had :
 
7
6
34
---
The first available number is 34 and this HG number is wanted again for the next section.
 
13
2
 
This second section is not going to be an HG section because 13 and 2 are not HG numbers. A bet will therefore be placed on 34 in the expectation of making a C section.
 
Come back to me if something is not clear.
 
I was just doing a bit of book keeping to see how the profit and loss is on this system so far. Not bad, just over 50 sessions :
 
3768 won
  603 loss
-----
3165 units profit
 
I just saw your last post as I was typing this out. Does the above solve the problem. I won't refer any more to one representative Group as it adds to the confusion, just simply say if there are four LG at the start of a section ignore the first three and you are left with one LG and then you need two more Groups to complete the section. Simple as E = MCSQUARED
 
Mr Chips
 

 

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I feel we are having a failure to communicate.

I need a name.  I agree with the name "group" and "section" and "chart" but I have found no name for that place where you list the available numbers.  For this post, I am going to refer to that as the "hat" as we have all heard of numbers in a hat.  (bj says he'd rather pull numbers from a hat, but that's a different story.)

We are starting our trot.  I view the first three numbers and find it is a C section, a complete section having LG, MG, and HG.  The third number, the HG is 36.  Now I place a 1 under CG on the chart and I toss the number 36 in the hat under the heading LG as it is from the L group.  At this point I would love for my next section to be a C.  I am looking for a C because C is in the lead as there are no others.  If my next two numbers create the possibility or potential for a C section and the first two Groups are L and M, I can bet the number 36 hoping to form the complete section.  Is this right?

QUESTIONS:

1.  If you have a leader in the chart, say a 6 with the others far behind, then you can only bet the section that is the leader? And if it is only 1 ahead, 5 to 4, it is the bet.  Correct?
2.  If the section is a dotted (.) section and is tied with another section, and you can't bet the dotted section, then you refer back to the last active section and bet it if you can.  If not go to the third and it must be bettable.  Is all that correct?


Sam

Perhaps I need to run a hundred numbers and list exactly how and why I'm betting, which numbers are listed in the chart and which are in the hat and under what heading.  Would that help?

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

OK, I'm just not understanding.  I quote from reply #1, date 29 July 8:

"The first Section starts :

9
30
34
----

At the start of a session we note the last number in the section in this case 34 and place a 1 to denote it was an HG section.

LG MG HG  C
          1

The next Section  is :

12
5

We need a third number to complete the section. The previous result was an HG and therefore ideally we would like an HG number to come in to give us another HG result in the Table and as the only  number available is 34 we would want the same number to come in.

Unfortunately 12, 5, 34 would not produce an HG section, it would however make a C section and a bet can therefore be placed on 34."

Here is where I am really hung!  You only have a 1 in the Table and a 34 in the hat.  I am working under the assumption that your only possible bet would be if you could make an HG Section and you would want the number 34 to do that.  How can you bet for a complete Section when you have nothing listed in the table under CG?

Sam
 
 

[Mr Chips]

Sam,

The first part of your post perfect, absolutely correct.
 
Questions
---------
1. A problem here.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1     1    1
2      2           2
3                  3
                    4
                    5
                    6
 
You will know that the flexibility of C sections is such that there will always be an LG, MG or HG to complete a C section.
 
When C is in the lead in the Table it will never be necessary to have go to the next in line in this example LG because of the flexibility previously mentioned.
 
LG   MG   HG    C
1      1     1     1
2      2            2
3                    3
4
5
6
 
The situation is different in this example. If say the next section starts :
 
27
4
 
It is impossible to make an LG section and therefore the next in line is C  and any bets will require available LG numbers in order to complete a C section.
 
2. This is correct.
 
I will need to clarify :
 
13
2
 
In my post I was trying to set down a rule for the start of a session. The first section as you know gives us the first available number and we need to use that number for a bet in the next section.
 
There is only an HG section noted in the Table and in order to place a bet we have to expect one of the others in the Table to come in.
The only one that fits is a C section. We couldn't expect an LG or MG section as we wouldn't be able to chose. The only one that certainly qualifies is a C section.
 
This explanation is really to justify a bet on the second section, rather than have another no bet following the first section.
 
I don't think we really have a communication problem, it's a case of getting all the pieces of the puzzle sorted out and placed correctly in order to see the complete picture. You must be very close now to seeing how the complete system works.
 
Yes, referring to your last line a good idea. If possible make it 120 spins.
 
Mr Chips
 

 

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I don't know if you believe in personal losing streaks or not, but I have been on one for a few days it would seem.

Possibly I've just gotten a bunch or rotten numbers every time I dipped into the well.

I'll try again.  This are clear now. 

Hopefully!!

Sam

EDIT:  I totally understand the Groups. I totally understand the Sections and how they are formed.  I totally understand the Table and how the Sections are listed and tracked.  I understand the Group Numbers where the available numbers are recorded according to Group.  I think now I totally understand the betting procedure and how and to place the bets and what Section we hope to form with what number.

I will go to work on the 120 numbers.  Will take some time.

[zee]

Mr. Chips,

I have a doubt that needs your clarification. In your last post, you mentioned the following situation:

LG  MG  HG  C
1    1      1   1
2    2           2
3                 3
4
5
6

Next comes:

27  HG
4    MG

You said in the last post that since LG is leading, you would bet next LG numbers. However since the above 2 numbers do not contain LG, you would assume the next group C and still bet LG numbers.

My question is, what if MG or HG was the last active group, even though their standing is not 3? Wouldn't we be betting MG or HG. 

Thanks.

zee

[TwoCatSam]

zee

Thanks for ringing in on this!  Welcome to the forum.  I will await an answer along with you.

Actually, I think I could answer it, but I am still somewhat in the dark.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Zee,
 
Thanks for your question.
 
The 'active' Group will only apply when they are equal in the Table e.g.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1      1    1
2      2      2
3      3      3.
 
The . after the 3 denotes that HG is the 'active' Group as there is no clear leader.
 
In the example in your post C is in front over MG and HG and therefore is next in line to place a bet with available numbers for that Group.
 
Mr Chips
 

 

[Mr Chips]

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