The 4Selecta system

[zee]

THanks, Mr. Chips for your reply and hello and thanks to Sam for your welcome and efforts to have this promising system clarified.

So, Mr. Chips, in the following situation:

LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

where LG is leading , MG with a . was the last active group, and HG with a .. denotes the previous active group just before MG and C with same standing as HG

THen come the numbers

27  HG
4    MG

Since LG is leading, one would bet LG numbers, but as LG is not in the above 2 numbers, one would go to the group with the next standing of 3 i.e. HG or C instead of the last active group of MG with a lower standing. As HG was the previous active group before MG, one would then bet HG rather than C.

Is the above rule correct?

Thanks.

zee

[Mr Chips]

Zee,
 
Yes in the example you gave that is correct. If the next in line are equal 3  3. then the 3. is the 'active' Group.
 
You may have seen I have revised page 1 in the hope that there is a clearer explanation of the system. I have referred to Group sections in the Table to avoid any confusion. Previously as you have done called them Groups. It's ok if you understand they are a record of sections and those sections will be LG, MG, HG or C sections.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
It looks as if Zee may be the third person on the planet earth to understand this system

[TwoCatSam]

zee

I am going out on a limb here and answer.  This is a tentative answer and Mr. Chips may override it.  I am doing this for him to test me.


LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3          3..  3
4
5

There is no need for the 3 to have ..   The three should be 3. and no second dot.  No where did I read he used two dots.

Since LG is in the lead, if you had an LG in your next two, you would just go to your LG Numbers and use them.  Suppose you had an MG and an HG?  You could not use the leading LG numbers so you would go back to the HG because of the three 3s, it was last active.  You would bet your HG numbers.

Mr. Chips will read this later, so don't hold it as gospel--just think about it.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
You are correct I overlooked the additional dot. I have reprimanded myself accordingly
 
Yes your explanation was perfect, I will be out of a job soon!
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

After understanding this system the next most difficult thing to grasp is when to exit in the likely event of an imminent loss in the -50 unit range.
 
The short answer is practice, practice and practice a number of sessions.
 
I will however offer guidance based on the number of sessions I have done so far.
 
If for example you had an early hit as shown in the Table and lets say it was LG. Now you are following C as it is well in the lead and you have had only one C hit. You have reached the 100 spin barrier and are down -24 units. You may consider taking a loss at this stage, as the column in the lead has only had just the one hit. The first hit you had in the LG column has now grown to 5 hits, but unfortunately it was not in the lead and you have had to follow the C column leader.
 
There are other considerations. At around 100 spins the number of units bet will have increased, for example the HG numbers may have 13 unit bets, the LG numbers 10 unit bets and the MG numbers just 5 units. I have experienced on a number of occasions where there have been a number of say MG bets, as the numbers are catching up with the other two Groups. These MG bets are therefore not so costly as the others and gives you a breathing space as your heading towards the - 50 unit deadline. If you are fortunate to get a hit now then it may result in you making a small profit or exiting with a very small loss.
 
If the Group sections in the Table are roughly equal e.g. 6 6 5 6 then I would recommend exiting with a -24 loss. They often seem to take it in turns to get a hit, but its never the one that you are following, which is very frustrating, so a loss will calm the nerves.

 
Sometimes at say spin 90 the loss may stand at -60 then you carry on until a hit, which should bring you to within the -50 unit range.
If the odd hit fails to bring you within this range then the -100 unit range kicks in and you must exit as near as you can to that -100 units. This should be a rare event.
 
I started this post with the recommendation to practice and it certainly helps to really understand the system. Many will consider it boring, ok, but it will be profitable in the long term.
 
Mr Chips
 

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

No sir, you are not yet unemployed as your last post raised more questions.

I quote you:

"If for example you had an early hit as shown in the Table and lets say it was LG. Now you are following C as it is well in the lead and you have had only one C hit. You have reached the 100 spin barrier and are down -24 units. You may consider taking a loss at this stage, as the column in the lead has only had just the one hit. The first hit you had in the LG column has now grown to 5 hits, but unfortunately it was not in the lead and you have had to follow the C column leader."
 
Is an "early hit" a win or the placing of a 1 under the LG column?
The second red, "Now you are following........" is totally confusing.  Do you mean the 1,2,3,4,5 and so on under the CG column has far out run the ones under the LG column?  If so, and a hit is the placing of a number under a column, how can you "have had only one C hit"?
The third red, "You have had..."  Why have you had to follow a leader?  If I understand this, you never follow unless it's possible.  If you can't follow you go back to the previous leader.  So the word "had" really throws me.  Why have you "had" to follow column C?

See, you're not out of a job by any means.  You just doubled your class size, that's all.  I hope your pay increases.

Sam

[zee]

Mr. Chips and Sam,

Thanks for the response. In my last post with the following situation:

LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

sorry for creating some confusion in my post as the double dots .. were used by me to denote "hierachy of activeness" where in this situation, MG was the "most recently active" group (which need not be the leading group or the next leading group), and HG with doulble dots .. was the active group "before" the most recently active group or shall we say, "the previous recently active" group.

THe "hierachy of betting" as I understand it is:

1.  Leading group (example LG above) comes first for betting. If one can't bet the leading group then

2.  One goes to the next i.e. the "most recently active group", in this case group MG denoted by 2.  But since this is of lower 
     standing of 2 compared to 3 then one looks at the groups with 3's (the next leading group)
     
3.  In the groups of 3's one looks for which group was "more recently active" compared with the other, in this case HG was "more   
     recently active" than the other group C and therefore one would bet HG.

I presume once hierachy of activeness has been noted, then the 3.. could be replaced with 3. and the 2. changed to 2

Thanks to Mr. Chips for your last post as I have met a case of very little hits with a long leading group.

zee

[zee]

Mr. Chips,

I would like to put it in a different way.

The "hierachy of betting" as I understand it is:

1.   The leading group bets first. If one can't bet this group then

2.   Go to the next leading group. If there is only one "next leading group", bet it, or else

3.   If there are more than one next leading groups, bet the next leading group which is the "most recently active"
      if there are 3 next leading groups, or the "more recently active next leading group" if there are 2 next leading
      groups, the latter case being relevant when the most recently active group is not in the next leading group, as 
      mentioned in my last post.

Hope this is correct.

Regards,

zee

[TwoCatSam]

zee

Your question was better than mine; I took mine down.

Mr. Chips

I played today and went UP for a change 91u.  Then the casino would not confirm my bet, but it lost and then I lost the server and was done for the day.  I'm really up to speed except for the question zee asked and the one's I asked above.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Well, I finally done it!!  I ran the bloke off!!

[TwoCatSam]

zee

I think your method of using .. to mark the second most active is a good idea.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam & Zee,
 
I will try and sort out this problem with 'leaders' and 'active' Group sections before I get confused!
 
I don't think there is any problem with saying if a Group section in the Table is in the lead then that is the one to bet on.
 
If the following is showing in the Table :
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1      1      1   1
2      2      2.   2
3
4
5
 
In this example the section cannot be LG as the section doesn't have LG numbers therefore the bet has to be on the 'active' Group section as there is no next leader. In this case HG is 'active' and HG available numbers will be used.
 
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1     1    1
2     2     2    2
3           3     3   
4                 4
5
 
LG doesn't qualify and the next leader is C so the relevant available numbers will used to to bet on the C Group section.
 
Zee, I should have pointed out in your last post that showing MG with a . is probably the cause of the confusion. When the . was placed the Group section would have been equal with another one. If the other one then goes in the lead then the . is no longer 'active' as leaders always take precedent over an 'active' Group section. So in effect the . is cancelled. I think you assumed it was still valid and that was my mistake in not pointing it out in your last post.
 
Sam,
 
I referred to ' you had an early hit' not there was an early hit, therefore a win. Yes C is in the lead 1,2, 3, 4, 5 etc. There was a win say at 4, so now there are two wins one gained at LG and the other C.
 
i don't get your next question as C is in the lead because it's had more hits than the others?
 
I was pleased to see you were up 91u. Are you still going to send the 120 spins for me to look at.
 
Yes the .. is a good idea.
 
Mr Chips

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

Yes, I am going to send the 120 spins.  My wife is leaving shortly and I will be able to start.

I am having a bear of a time with Wild Jack Casino.  They sometimes won't let me bet until 18 of the 28 alloted seconds have elapsed.  This just blows my mind and causes mental mistakes.  Yesterday their server went down, too.

I'll study your answers and get back to you.

Thanks.

Sam

[Tucktuckster]

Mr Chips,

I am having a rest from playing this week - so will test this system to see if it works.

I will use spins from the last month from the william hill live wheel. typically the spin sessions range from 50 spins on short side to 120 spins on long side. I do not have capacity to play for longer than that you see.

I will run the first test on here - to see if i understand your system.

I am not great at reading and i gather that you have tweaked your explanation in first few pages. I read first 2or 3 pages, then recent posts and saw there was some confusion and that you were editing your posts. i therefore re-read your early posts and have missed out most of the posts. So if i get your system - then anyone can and your editing worked. if i fail to get it then your editing is flawed.

[Tucktuckster]

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