The 4Selecta system

[Panopticon]

Well Mr Chips the big problem with your system is when to decide to stop...

For example in a test session I was -62 units at about 130 spins. The wise thing to do would be exit there, but if I continued at about 140 spins I would be +26 units. Then it went further down, but I would probably stop at -62 units, considering 130 spins require 2 hours playing...

In another test I reached -98 units at about 100 spins (100 units is my theoretical stop loss), continuing I got +58 units on 137 spins. I would exit there for sure in a real game (50 units profit I think are more than enough). I continued the session to see the ending and then at the end of the table numbers, that was 207 spins, I was +263 units. The Low group got really dominant, hitting like crazy...

I suppose only through a lot of practice can somebody make good decisions 

[Mr Chips]

" 50 units profit I think are more than enough"
 
You won't get filthy rich thinking like that
 
Panopticon,
 
Having understood this system, comes the difficult part of when to exit a session. Its important, as Sam has pointed out recently, that you take notice of what's going on in the Table. If your on a clear leader in the Table and got a few wins, watch out for the others if they start to catch up. If Group sections in the Table are often level and you are down, exit at the most opportune time, depending on the number of spins and how many units you are down.
 
If the bets are getting large definitely take that into account, when considering an exit.
 
You may have been up say 50 units, then down -20, up 50 units, then up 70 units by spin 100. Yes continue and exit at around 50 units if it goes down again.
 
My tests have shown results(including losses -50 range) are in the 90 to 130 spins, 72 % of the time. When you have done a few tests it would probably be a good idea to keep your own record to see how it compares with what I have produced.
 
If you exit too early in some sessions you will not get the exceptional wins, which will be needed to cancel out the higher losses when they occur.
 
Yes you are right a lot of practice is required and I am certain you will make  long term profits as a result
 

 

[ChickenDinner]

Hi guys,

I think I've sussed it, but I just want to be 100% sure I am doing it right when it comes to bet selection. I am sorry if this is explained in the thread, but for me to be sure, I have 2 simple questions for those of you proficient in this area (there seems to be a growing number!):


Q1) Am I right in thinking that we always bet the most active group, with only one exception: when the most active group is not shown in the section we are about to bet on? Example:-

2 (lg)
30 (lg)
3 (lg)
4 (mg)

Say we want to bet the HG number/s now because this is our most active group, am I right in thinking that we can't because there is not a HG showing? So, in this situation, I'm assuming we simply bet the next most active (and if any these next-most-active groups are level in active-ness, we simply bet the group that was last active).


Q2) If the 'completed group' is the most active, do we simply bet the group that would complete the section? I.e, CG is most active, so in the following example, would we bet the HG number/s to complete the group - that is, regardless of their activeness (or if level with another group, last-activeness)?

3 (lg)
4 (mg)

Thanks for helping me in advance[smiley=thumbsup.gif] . Once I'm 100% sure that I've got it, I'll start to test Hamburg spins on a daily basis.

CD

[Mr Chips]

" I think I've sussed it"[smiley=thumbsup.gif]
 
ChickenDinner,
 
Congratulations, I think your number 5, only 999,995 to go lol.
 
The question of 'active' has been explained in detail previously, but I will explain it here, as I know it is one of the troublesome parts of the system to understand.
 
In the Table we want to bet on leading Group sections, where possible. The only time we will bet on an 'active' Group section is when two or more Group sections are level e.g.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   
2    2     2
3    3     3.
 
There is no leader. The . denotes that HG was the most recent section to come in and therefore is the 'active' Group section and bets will be on HG available numbers.
 
If as in your example its impossible to make an HG section, then we go to the next 'active' Group section, say MG. If MG comes in then it becomes the leader and we are no longer interested in 'active' GS.
 
If the next section cannot be MG only then do we go back to the 'active' GS and the HG with the 3. will qualify and bets will be placed on available HG numbers.
 
I hope this answers your questions 1 & 2, if it's still a problem, check my previous explanations and if there is still something that isn't clear I will try to sort it out for you.
 
Yes get testing as much as time and your head can stand it. I will be interested to see your results.
 
Mr Chips
 

 

[ChickenDinner]

Hi Mr Chips - thanks for your quick reply.

I get it now  . However, I'm not quite one of the 5 yet...I'd like to just quickly check with you that I was right about bet selection when 'completed group' is leading.

That is, in these instances do we simply bet the numbers from the group that completes the section?

E.g,

LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   1
2    2     2   2
3    3     3.  3
                 4


2 (lg)
30 (lg)
3 (lg)
4 (mg)

CG is leading so we must bet HG to complete the section?


Thanks again

CD

[Mr Chips]

ChickenDinner,
 
Yes, in your example an HG available number is required.
 
The C Group section is the most flexible of the sections, as it will require different available numbers at different times during a session.
 
Mr Chips
 

[Mr Chips]

I have referred to a probable loosing session when the Group sections in the Table are consistently level. I have set out below an example of such a session. It can be a very frustrating session and an early exit is the best solution. Unfortunately a higher than usual loss is the result, but we can draw comfort that even larger wins will cancel this out.
 
Anyone testing this system will eventually come across such a session and I would be grateful if they would give me the details, as at some future date I would like to examine them in detail to see if a tweak or two is possible.
 
Spielbank-Wiesbaden 14.08.08
 
32, 6, 23
 
9, 18, 36
 
28, 3, 20
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1
2     2    2
(3).  3    3
 
32
9  -1
28 -2
6   -3
18 -5
23 -7
36 -10
3  -13
20 -16
3  -19   39 spins
 
- - - - - - - -
 
32, 6, [23]
 
9, 18, [36], 17, 16
 
28, [3], 20, 11
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   1
2    2     2  (2)
(3)  3     3   3
     (4)    4   4.

23 -22  HG bet MG wins
17 -26  MG bet HG comes in
36 -30  MG bet C wins
11 -35
16 -39  60 spins
- - - - - - - -
 
32, 6, [23], [13], 14
 
9, [[18]], [36], 17, 16, 35,
34
 
28, [3], [20], 11, 30
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1    1     1   1
2    2     2   (2)
(3)  3     3   3
     (4)    4   4
      5     5   (5)
     (6)   (6)  6
      7    (7)  (7)
 
20 -8 win (should exit here ?)
13 -14
35 -19
34 -24
13 -30 C bet MG wins
30 -36 MG bet C wins
14 -44
18 -51 MG bet HG wins
18 -58 C bet HG wins
- - - - - - - - - -

32, [6], [23], [13], 14

9, [[18]], [36], 17, 16, [35],
34, 7
 
[28], [[3]], [20], 11, 30, 1,
12, 10
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1   1
2     2    2   (2)
(3)   3    3   3
(4)  (4)   4   4
5     5     5  (5)
6    (6)   (6)  6
       7    (7) (7)
      (8   8   8
                  (9)
                  (10)
 
1 -68  HG bet C number comes in
6 -78  C bet MG wins
3  -86 MG bet C wins
7  -95 C bet HG comes in
28 -106 C bet LG wins
12 -117 C bet LG comes in
10 -125 C bet LG comes in
35 -100 C bet wins EXIT  118 spins
 
Mr Chips

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I'm unclear on what you want.  Do you want the permanence so you can re-create the Table or do you want a snapshot of the table at that time.  I see this from time to time and can surely supply what you want.

Are you following my posts under "Testing"?  Did you read about the zeros?  Talk about lousy odds!

Every time I work this sheet, I become more proficient.  I almost have the groups memorized and that is a milestone.  Like you said, before I make the bet, I double check the sheet for errors.  Only found one yesterday.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
Yes, the permanance, so when I get a bit of time and if anything clicks in my head I may discover an improvement.
 
I didn't realise you were testing there, but will rectify that immediately.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

Some recent August test results from Spielbank and have made a start with February.

[table=,]
 
Date,spins,s/spins,+/-
9.8,74,22,+119
10.8,123,34,-42
11.8,58,16,+57
12.8,91,23,+46
13.8,94,26,+3
14.8,118,32,-100
15.8,116,32,-4
16.8,92,24,+36
17.8,120,36,+140
18.8,110,32,-142
 
1.2,93,25,+63
2.2,106,26,+97
3.2,117,28,+20
4.2,104,28,-46
[/table]

[lindat]

Testing for a first post

[lindat]

Hello Mr Chips, Sam, Anand and everyone !

I am new here, this is my first post.  I have taken an interest in this thread, then I have just finished a test on the live roulette at Dublinbet (fun mode).

But first let me introduce myself : my name is Linda and I began to play roulette 6 months ago, I have to say the most of the time in fun mode because I lose always !  In fact till now, I have played on RNG roulette because I wanted betting no more than 0,10.  I am aware it is better playing on a live roulette and I have decided to stop on RNG' and to wait saving enough money to play at Dublinbet.
Another thing : I am from Belgium and my language is French, then forgive me for my bad English...

Well, that says here is a part of my test ; it should be so great if someone could verify it and correct my mistakes...



30 LG
15 MG
21 LG    

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1      

And I add 21 in the number group LG

----
7 HG
13 MG (I bet number 21, the only one LG number I have)
34 HG (I have lost my bet)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1            1.

And I add 34 in the number group HG

----
19 LG
3 LG
35 MG (I bet 34, the only one HG number I have)
10 LG (I have lost my bet)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1            1.
2

And I add 10 in my number group LG (then, I have now 21 & 10)

----
4 MG
15 MG
0
35 HG (I bet 21 & 10 = LG)
5 MG (I have lost these 2 bets)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1.    1
2

And I add 5 in the number group MG
----
19 LG
17 HG (I bet 5 = MG)
15 MG (I have lost my bet)

At this point my table is :
LG   MG   HG   C
1     1.    1     1
2

And I add 15 in the number group MG, then I have now 5 & 15[/color]

----
6 MG
28 LG (I don't understand what I have to bet here : numbers from LG group because it is that one that has the more success, or numbers from MG group because it is the last active group or number from HG group because that should make C, the very active group )


I'll post more of the test if you are OK and after corrections I could make
Thanks for reading
Take care,
Linda

[JHM]

Linda, I'm nut sure, but I think you can play live roulette with 0,10 on riverbelle and wildjack casino.

Maybe Sam can clear this, you can play there live with 0,10 Sam?

[Mr Chips]

Hello Linda,
 
Welcome to the forum and thanks for your interest in 4Selecta.
 
I will go through each of the sections and explain the available numbers used for the bets.
 
30
15
21 The first available number
---
7
13 bet 21 the only available number(if it came in it would make a C section)
34 bet lost, this is an HG section
----
19
3
35
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1          1.
 
The Group sections are level and therefore the bet will on the most 'active' Group section as indicated by a . The HG available number is 34 and the bet lost.
 
10 this is an LG section.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1           1
2
 
LG is in the lead in the Table and all bets where possible will be on the leader and therefore will use LG available numbers.
 
4
15
0
35
 
It is impossible to make an LG section as there is only MG and HG. It is therefore not possible to use LG available numbers even though LG is in the lead in the Table. We have to fall back on the next leader or if this not possible and the other Group sections are level then the 'active' Group section will be chosen.
 
At this early stage in the session the only Group section is HG and the available number is 34.
 
5 came in and makes an MG section.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1.   1
2
 
19
17
 
LG is still in the lead in the Table and as there is an LG in the section (19) the bets will be on LG available numbers 10 and 21.
 
15 comes in and this makes a C section.
 
LG  MG  HG  C
1     1    1    1.
2
 
6
28
 
LG still in the lead and there is an LG in the section (28) therefore bets will be on LG available numbers 10 and 21.
 
21
34 -1
10 -2
5  -3
15 -5
 
I hope this explains which available numbers to bet on. If you have any further queries I will try and sort out the problem.
 
Regards
 
Mr Chips
 

 

 

 



 

 

[lindat]

Thanks JHM for letting me know where playing on live roulette.

Mr Chips thank you for your reply and the corrections
I'll post the complete test after a revision, I made a lot of mistakes.
I tested one hour, 73 spins and placed bets 20 X ; as I have mistakes, my win of 203 (288-85 bets) is certainly not correct :-(
Talk to you soon

[lindat]

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