How to Play With the Truth Bomb

[cheese]

It must be miserable to be you.

Thats just the stress talking, we understand.

[HighRoller]

This thread is going nowhere?

[Mike]

I could not refute the effectiveness of VB, etc. But I can say these methods also experience losing sessions, and uncomfortable drawdowns, just like mechanical systems do. In both cases it is then up to the player to make the necessary adjustments to ensure long term profits.

But in the case of mechanical system, the only adjustments you can make are switching from one bet to another, and you have to ask why you should choose that particular bet over any other? the choice is not made from any physical considerations, as is the case with VB/Bias. The "adjustment" you make could just as easily result in a worse losing sequence than the one which prompted you to make the adjustment in the first place.

There is also the ability for mechanical systems to have an inherent physics component built in.

True, but in that case, why not just cut out the guessing component altogether?

Who's to say a rule based method can't tune into the physical phenomenon as it unfolds during play?

It's a fair point, but again, why not consciously and deliberately tune into the physical phenomenon, instead of just hoping your mechanical system will do it without any study of the actual wheel and conditions?


Gizmotron says you can learn to "read" randomness. This betrays a basic misunderstanding of what "random" actually is. There are no inherently random events, "random" just means you don't have any information about the event other than each possible event is as likely as any other. If you take that as given, it's absurd to then go on and say that there are "characteristics" of randomness which can be learned and exploited. If an event is random, each outcome is equally likely, period.

You can only "overcome" randomness by acquiring new information about the cause of the event(s). Sometimes there is too much complexity and even though you know the causes, it doesn't help you in finding out whether some events are more likely than others, but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the causes (which is what Gizmotron is doing).

You cannot take roulette to be a GAME and from that deduce that sometimes you have advantageous opportunities. If you do that you are just contradicting yourself because the GAME says that all outcomes are equally likely (random).
But roulette isn't just a game, it's a physical system, and physical systems are deterministic, not random. There may be a lot you can't know (which means to say, randomness) but there is enough determinism to give you a better than random chance of knowing where the ball will land.

[gizmotron]

Mike, you have no idea what you are attempting to say. You have no clue what reading randomness is all about. You deny that randomness can have characteristics. You are nothing but a Snowman clone. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic does not make you a sea captain. How can an ignoramus tell people that it does not exist? I'm the one that proved it exists. You are the one that has some strange agenda. You are not qualified to comment on randomness.

Gizmotron says you can learn to "read" randomness. This betrays a basic misunderstanding of what "random" actually is. There are no inherently random events, "random" just means you don't have any information about the event other than each possible event is as likely as any other. If you take that as given, it's absurd to then go on and say that there are "characteristics" of randomness which can be learned and exploited. If an event is random, each outcome is equally likely, period.

You can only "overcome" randomness by acquiring new information about the cause of the event(s). Sometimes there is too much complexity and even though you know the causes, it doesn't help you in finding out whether some events are more likely than others, but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the causes (which is what Gizmotron is doing).

You cannot take roulette to be a GAME and from that deduce that sometimes you have advantageous opportunities. If you do that you are just contradicting yourself because the GAME says that all outcomes are equally likely (random).
But roulette isn't just a game, it's a physical system, and physical systems are deterministic, not random. There may be a lot you can't know (which means to say, randomness) but there is enough determinism to give you a better than random chance of knowing where the ball will land

[xman1970]

You are not qualified to comment on randomness.

I wonder if there is ANYBODY on this forum who IS qualified......

Oh wait, I can see where this is going........

[Mike]

Gizmotron, you have proved nothing, neither do you have an argument, the only thing left is insults.

Yawn.

[gizmotron]

Gizmotron, you have proved nothing, neither do you have an argument, the only thing left is insults.

Yawn.

I proved it to eight people. You just don't like the fact that I didn't drop the bomb on the gambling world for free. To prove you wrong I have to wreck everything. You don't rate it. You are not important enough to rate proof. I can put you out of your misery any time I feel like it. So you'll just have to wait. No matter what you say you have no proof that I won't do it. On that day you will have all this in your face to live up to. You are really ridiculous claiming you are bored. You can't wait to rant with your useless tirades.

[Nathan Detroit]

Gizmo,

Put everyone out of their misery: Offer l the  damn thing to  several casinos and be  done with it. Napoleon said:" "Apre moi le deluge".

Sell one  to one casino in Macau, Europe, and USA.. For god measure throw in one  from Down Under . Each one  500 k
EURO funds transferable to a Swiss Bank.


Nathan Detroit


PS. Expect  my  bill for this  advice in your mail.  

[bombus]

...Napoleon said:" "Apre moi le deluge".

Yeah? Well Johnny Farnham said: Raindrops keep falling on my head."

[Mike]

I proved it to eight people. You just don't like the fact that I didn't drop the bomb on the gambling world for free. To prove you wrong I have to wreck everything.

So how many people need to have your system to "wreck everything"?  

Before you sold it for $500 you were saying that would be the end of casinos, what happened?

You just don't get it. If I thought your system could win I would have paid the $500 the first time round. Even if you posted the details on this forum I wouldn't even bother to test it, because it won't and can't work. It wouldn't be worth my time to write the code to simulate it. All I'm interested in is telling people the truth so that they don't waste more time and money on a dead end. And I give reasons why these methods can never work. So far I haven't seen a single rebuttal, and I never will because I'm only using common sense. Of course, you'll still get a few desperate and gullible individuals who will shell out for your system, but only a few in the beginning, because word will soon get around that it doesn't work - that's why you didn't get even the 10 people you were limiting it to the first time.

[Mike]

To prove you wrong I have to wreck everything.

This is quite revealing. Basically you're saying that if you post the details of the method you'll be cheating yourself out of sales. That's what it's all about isn't it? nothing to do with being smarter than Einstein, that's just sales bluster.

So you don't want to post the details of this amazing system which can earn millions because you're afraid of missing out on a few hundred (if you're lucky) in sales. Yeah, that makes sense Einstein! 

[Ka2]

You have no clue what reading randomness is all about.

So reading randomness are we talking about infinite or finite here?

The fact is Giz, you are trying so hard to convince us with absolutely zero proof. I understand you can't reveal all, but you have to agree with just saying you read randomness you sound just like Charles Hampshire.

So either there are some basic mathematical principles involved or it's based on absolute nonsense.

[gizmotron]

This is quite revealing. Basically you're saying that if you post the details of the method you'll be cheating yourself out of sales. That's what it's all about isn't it? nothing to do with being smarter than Einstein, that's just sales bluster.

So you don't want to post the details of this amazing system which can earn millions because you're afraid of missing out on a few hundred (if you're lucky) in sales. Yeah, that makes sense Einstein! 

You are clearly less intelligent than an average person. That's 100 IQ just in case you were wondering. You seem more room temperature for an equivocation than substandard. So be it. If you look closely you will read that I never claimed to be smarter than Einstein. The fact that you perceive it that way comes from your limitations. Sorry about that.

I don't want to post the details because I want the option to use it in a casino. This might be difficult for you to understand but you are more like a hound dog with a nose for Cheese.

[gizmotron]

So reading randomness are we talking about infinite or finite here?

The fact is Giz, you are trying so hard to convince us with absolutely zero proof. I understand you can't reveal all, but you have to agree with just saying you read randomness you sound just like Charles Hampshire.

So either there are some basic mathematical principles involved or it's based on absolute nonsense.

Name calling is for school children. So what is the mathematical formula for when a trend will occur and how long it will continue? You can produce a long term average but you can't produce a result for coincidences that come and go during recent encounters. If you do come up with a formula it will be as useless as the randomness that you claim that is useless for me. It's a catch 22.

You are all dancing around my motivation for posting anything. You think it's sales. It's about a carefully enacted form of disclosure. A kind of timed release form of letting it out carefully. I'm really surprised that most of you don't actually get the message. I'm in no hurry. There is nothing for sale. I have had to tell those that PM'd me the same thing. Not at this time, thanks.

[Nathan Detroit]

Gizmo,

If this   Turbo Genius   cat  got himself " under  contract" with the TAJ for allegedly  selling them a system then why not  selling a system   to 4 casinos   ?.

Nathan Detroit

[Nathan Detroit]

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