How to Play With the Truth Bomb

[Mike]

Let's make a known fact a rule of forum involvement. You people that are convinced that your pet favorite method is the only way to beat roulette are only saying so because you are motivated to. So what's the reason for that?

My motivation is the fact that the only things which affect where the ball will land are the known laws of physics. It's simple cause and effect. Can you deny this? Why does the ball land in one pocket and not another? if you have a knowledge of the initial conditions (speed of ball, tilt of the wheel, imperfections in the cone, pockets etc) would it not make sense to take these these things into account in making a prediction? Your approach and everyone else's is to ignore all these factors and simply look at the history, then make your predictions on the assumption that history will either repeat or not repeat on the basis of.... what? there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If you can't associate a perceived "trend" with any physical attribute of the "system" (by that I mean physical system - wheel + ball + dealer + other factors like humidity) then you are simply guessing (gambling).

Also think about this: Trends will always exist, whether you are playing on a real wheel or an RNG. You cannot expect a trend to continue unless you have some other knowledge of WHY the trend exists. Patterns are everywhere, it's impossible not to see patterns, but the mere fact of patterns and trends does not in itself indicate that they will continue (or not). If you have some information about why they are occurring then you might be on to something, but not otherwise.

I'm suggesting to you that you have an opinion because of limited research. You have not done an extensive research into randomness. In fact almost all of you are mid way through discovering what does not work.

Wrong. I've done plenty of research. I eventually came to the conclusion that none of it made any sense and I was attacked for being a quitter and a bitter loser, negative, etc. I have never seen such stubborn stupidity as on forums like this, it's really quite breathtaking.

You deny randomness but you don't give any REASONS why the wheel should be non-random. If you don't know the cause of the non-randomness, how can you negate the house advantage?

If your methods seem to work, but you don't know WHY they work, then it's a fair bet that they don't actually work at all, and you are just experiencing a positive swing, and yes, they can go on for thousands of spins, especially if you're using some kind of money management. You are correct that systems don't work, but betting the trends is just another system, "adapting" to the "flow" of the game is just another system, they are all the same, and you won't beat the wheel until you realise that understanding randomness consists of learning that you're dealing with a physical system, which is governed by physical laws, not magic.

[bombus]

My motivation is the fact that the only things which affect where the ball will land are the known laws of physics. It's simple cause and effect. Can you deny this? Why does the ball land in one pocket and not another? if you have a knowledge of the initial conditions (speed of ball, tilt of the wheel, imperfections in the cone, pockets etc) would it not make sense to take these these things into account in making a prediction? Your approach and everyone else's is to ignore all these factors and simply look at the history, then make your predictions on the assumption that history will either repeat or not repeat on the basis of.... what? there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If you can't associate a perceived "trend" with any physical attribute of the "system" (by that I mean physical system - wheel + ball + dealer + other factors like humidity) then you are simply guessing (gambling).

Also think about this: Trends will always exist, whether you are playing on a real wheel or an RNG. You cannot expect a trend to continue unless you have some other knowledge of WHY the trend exists. Patterns are everywhere, it's impossible not to see patterns, but the mere fact of patterns and trends does not in itself indicate that they will continue (or not). If you have some information about why they are occurring then you might be on to something, but not otherwise.

Wrong. I've done plenty of research. I eventually came to the conclusion that none of it made any sense and I was attacked for being a quitter and a bitter loser, negative, etc. I have never seen such stubborn stupidity as on forums like this, it's really quite breathtaking.

You deny randomness but you don't give any REASONS why the wheel should be non-random. If you don't know the cause of the non-randomness, how can you negate the house advantage?

If your methods seem to work, but you don't know WHY they work, then it's a fair bet that they don't actually work at all, and you are just experiencing a positive swing, and yes, they can go on for thousands of spins, especially if you're using some kind of money management. You are correct that systems don't work, but betting the trends is just another system, "adapting" to the "flow" of the game is just another system, they are all the same, and you won't beat the wheel until you realise that understanding randomness consists of learning that you're dealing with a physical system, which is governed by physical laws, not magic.

Bollocks.  

[Mike]

Bollocks

Excellent!

Reasoned argument, clearly expressed, I expect nothing less here!  

All my points have been refuted, I guess there's nothing more to say!  

[Mike]

Seriously though bombus, we both know that you cannot refute anything I've said, some people like to be contrary for the sake of it, but it has nothing to do with the truth. You have your fun, but just remember you're not doing anyone any favours by propagating bullshit.

[Nathan Detroit]

Gizmo ,

Thanks for  your reply. It`s no wonder that this racino  did  switch to those  machines  All their VP and slot machines are of the VLT type.

I knew the fun would not last too long. But fortunately  I was awinner at those   original  airball machines before they removed them.



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[gizmotron]

My motivation is the fact that the only things which affect where the ball will land are the known laws of physics. It's simple cause and effect. Can you deny this? Why does the ball land in one pocket and not another? if you have a knowledge of the initial conditions (speed of ball, tilt of the wheel, imperfections in the cone, pockets etc) would it not make sense to take these these things into account in making a prediction? Your approach and everyone else's is to ignore all these factors and simply look at the history, then make your predictions on the assumption that history will either repeat or not repeat on the basis of.... what? there is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If you can't associate a perceived "trend" with any physical attribute of the "system" (by that I mean physical system - wheel + ball + dealer + other factors like humidity) then you are simply guessing (gambling).

Also think about this: Trends will always exist, whether you are playing on a real wheel or an RNG. You cannot expect a trend to continue unless you have some other knowledge of WHY the trend exists. Patterns are everywhere, it's impossible not to see patterns, but the mere fact of patterns and trends does not in itself indicate that they will continue (or not). If you have some information about why they are occurring then you might be on to something, but not otherwise.

Wrong. I've done plenty of research. I eventually came to the conclusion that none of it made any sense and I was attacked for being a quitter and a bitter loser, negative, etc. I have never seen such stubborn stupidity as on forums like this, it's really quite breathtaking.

You deny randomness but you don't give any REASONS why the wheel should be non-random. If you don't know the cause of the non-randomness, how can you negate the house advantage?

If your methods seem to work, but you don't know WHY they work, then it's a fair bet that they don't actually work at all, and you are just experiencing a positive swing, and yes, they can go on for thousands of spins, especially if you're using some kind of money management. You are correct that systems don't work, but betting the trends is just another system, "adapting" to the "flow" of the game is just another system, they are all the same, and you won't beat the wheel until you realise that understanding randomness consists of learning that you're dealing with a physical system, which is governed by physical laws, not magic.

This is truly funny. Hidden inside this thesis is the secret answer to my method. Only one problem. You can't see it. Now those I have taught can see it. This is truly funny to me. Thanks.

[Mike]

But I'm still waiting for just one REASON why betting trends gives you an advantage. 

[Mr J]

I *ALWAYS* know where the conversation is headed when I see the word 'advantage'. Wait for it........

[Mike]

So what word would you prefer me to use Mr J?

[bombus]

Seriously though bombus, we both know that you cannot refute anything I've said, some people like to be contrary for the sake of it, but it has nothing to do with the truth. You have your fun, but just remember you're not doing anyone any favours by propagating bullshit.

I could not refute the effectiveness of VB, etc. But I can say these methods also experience losing sessions, and uncomfortable drawdowns, just like mechanical systems do. In both cases it is then up to the player to make the necessary adjustments to ensure long term profits.

There is also the ability for mechanical systems to have an inherent physics component built in.

Who's to say a rule based method can't tune into the physical phenomenon as it unfolds during play?

Yes I can be contrary, yes I will have my fun, and no I am not here to do anyone any favours.

Cheers, Mike.

[cheese]

This is truly funny. Hidden inside this thesis is the secret answer to my method. Only one problem. You can't see it.

Another problem, neither can Gizmo without his secret decoder ring, which he'll be selling as soon as he invents it.

[gizmotron]

Another problem, neither can Gizmo without his secret decoder ring, which he'll be selling as soon as he invents it.

Wrong again. I have no plans to sell this thing at this time. I'm just getting it prepared so that I can act quickly, once the timing is correct. As far as I can tell I may have years and years ahead of me. If a story leaks out anywhere that randomness methods are disclosed as the way to beat roulette then I'll sell the system then. Otherwise it's on the shelf for many years to come. So many people have written to me claiming they would be willing to validate my methods publicly. That's not in my plans. It makes no sense.

[cheese]

As far as I can tell I may have years and years ahead of me. If a story leaks out anywhere that randomness methods are disclosed

Wow, the stress must be incredible. Kinda like the stress the guys who built the first atom bomb felt during WWII, hoping its secrets wouldn't leak out. Only yours is much bigger than that. Must suck to be you, huh.

[gizmotron]

Wow, the stress must be incredible. Kinda like the stress the guys who built the first atom bomb felt during WWII, hoping its secrets wouldn't leak out. Only yours is much bigger than that. Must suck to be you, huh.

It must be miserable to be you. Being a half baked internet troll or a roulette savior is very lowly on the worthwhile status hit parade. But keep up the pretense. That's what you have done for yourself.

Who cut the cheese?

[Ka2]

Gizmotron,

Why stay here??? If I were you, I wouldn't spend one more second on this forum, I would be out there, having fun, spend some quality time with family and friends, spending the money I won from the casino's wildly. But no, you rather stay in this stinking hole, every single day, why???

[Ka2]

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