Making profit the EC way

[col1879]

Test 1: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed  1, W=1/ L=0)
Test 2: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed  1, W=1/ L=0)
Test 3: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed  1, W=1/ L=0)
Test 4: Result- +4 profit (Bets Placed 39, W=17/ L=22)
Test 5: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 43, W= 19/ L= 24)
Test 6: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 14, W= 7/ L= 7)
Test 7: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 3, made BIG tweak, not updating strategy yet incase it is now HG! lol)
Test 8: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 1)
Test 9: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 1)
Test 10: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 3)
Test 11: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 1)
Test 12: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 1)
Test 13: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 3)
Test 14: Result- 0 Broke Even (Bets Placed 25, a clue, I don't use a progression any more)
Test 15: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 3)
Test 16: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 1)
Test 17: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 5)
Test 18: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 21)
Test 19: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 1)
Test 20: Result- +1 profit (Bets Placed 3, next clue, stop loss is -9)
Test 21: Result- -10 loss (Bugger it, back to the drawing board lol)

RUNNING BALANCE= 1012 (+12 profit)

----------------END OF TESTING: FAILURE-----------------------


************************ ORIGINAL POST**************************
Here's a system I've been testing. No doubt it has been tried before and will ultimately fail but I still keep trying! lol

I don't have a PC and play via my ps3. It's quite frustrating because it usually keeps crashing during a test  

From the testing I have done it looks promising, but I have probably just been lucky and not had the 'run from hell' yet lol

It works as follows:

Choosing any EC at random you are going to bet 1 unit for max of 10 spins. The EC you choose does not matter because it is always 50/50 (or 49/51 or whatever it is with the zero)

Stop on any profit and go to a different casino.

If you get to ten spins and are in the negative then raise bet to 2. Bet again a max of 10 spins again and quit on any profit.

And so on on so forth.......

So even if you get off to a nightmare start and lose the first 10 in a row (-10), win the next 5 and you break even! Win the next 1 and you get a profit of +2

Highest number I have got to in testing is 6 but I am probably just jammy lol

For choosing EC's I know I said pick at random, but don't pick one then use it for 10 spins, the RNG will spot the pattern. The way I play it, knowing how RNG loves to repeat, is choose an EC at random eg Red, then if it comes up 7, for the next spin choose one of 3 EC from 7 eg Low, and choose Low as my next EC bet.

No doubt the nightmare session is out there where you reach betting 100 on an EC and are in negative. Maybe smart MM could come into play? eg if you reach profit of 100 without nightmafe scenario, then take out 50 and with remaining 50 play and set realistic loss limit?

p.s. If anyone uses this system and loses a lot of money don't blame me! I never said it is a holy grail lol

p.p.s  constantly study the previous string of numbers as all 3 EC's

For example, if your previous 4 numbers are 1, 6, 18, 11 what is your next EC bet? Think about it, 6 options, what is your next EC bet?

The correct answer is............................

Well lets first analyse the four numbers in their 3 EC forms:

1) Red, Black, Red, Black
2) Odd, Even, Even, Odd
3) Low, Low, Low, Low

So personally I would go for Low or High on my next bet but it doesn't really matter I suppose lol  

[col1879]

I am trying to work through the math on this.

49% of the time you should win 1 unit on your first spin, right?
1% of the time you should lose a squizillion units by spin 1000, right?

Can anyone fill in all the percentages in between please

[col1879]

Even if you get off to a terrible start:

1 unit: L L L L W L L L W L = -6
2 unit: L L L L W L L L W W = -8
3 unit: L L L L L L W W W W = -6
4 unit: L L L L L W W W W W = 0
5 unit: W  L W W L L W W L W = +10
6 unit: W L W L W W W L L W = +12

Total Bets Placed = 60
Total Bets Won = 26
Total Bets Lost = 34
Total Profit = +2

[col1879]

Even if you get off to a nightmare start, if you ride it out you can get a profit winning only 43% of spins, for example:

1 unit: L L L W L L L W L L (-6, won 20%)
2 unit: L L W L L L L L W W (-8, won 30%)
3 unit: L L L L W W L L W L (-12, won 30%)
4 unit:  L L L L L L L W W L (-24, won 20%)
5 unit:  L L L L W W L L W W (-10, won 40%)
6 unit:  L L L W L L W L L W (-24, won 30%)
7 unit: L L W L L W L L W W (-14, won 40%)
8 unit: L L W W L L W W L W (0, won 50%)
9 unit:  L L W W W L W L W W (+18, won 60%)
10 unit:  L L W W L L L L W L (-40, won 30%)
11 unit:  L L W W L W W W L W (+22, won 60%)
12 unit:  L W W L L W L W W W (+24, won 60%)
13 unit:  W W W L L W L L W W (+26, won 60%)
14 unit:  W L W L W L W L W L (0, won 50%)
15 unit:  W W W L W W W L W L (+60, won 70%)

Total Bets Placed = 150
Total Bets Won = 65 (43.33%)
Total Bets Lost = 85 (56.66%)
Total Profit = +12

I hope this isn't the holy grail and people are out winning money instead of telling me 

Any ideas for MM? Profit target/ Stop loss?

[buffalowizard]

Hi col,

Nice idea, Haven't seen it before personally. On your examples, you could have quitted after the first sign of being in the plus, but carried on. Was this merely for testing purposes?

Also, what kind of bankroll required, because it would have to be fairly large unit worth, if you are happy to leave with +1,2 or 3 units.

Anyway, I may test this with some of my own spins as it is very interesting.

Buffalo

[birdhands]

Just my opinion on RNG:  I don't think you can outsmart them.  At a certain point (who knows when? maybe when you win a certain amount, or withdraw a certain amount, etc.) the RNG will force losses; all it has to do is land on an unbet number and there is simply no way to outsmart that.  Why not just play a live wheel?

Sam

[col1879]

In my detailed example I was not in the plus until near the end of the15 unit line, I should have quit a little before the very end if I was sticking to the rules exactly. Any profit = quit.

I was playing in play money and went +1 on first spin, should have quit, carried on, went +2 on spin 2, should have quit, carried on. Then went on an unbelievable run where I lost every bet about 18 times in a row! lol was about -26, but then went on a run of 10 wins in a row and was +4  again! lol

I am not sure about starting BR. In play money you start with 1000. As for size of units I'd recommend 1 unit= $1, 2 unit= $2 etc.

As for profit target and stop loss? I am unsure. If starting BR is 300 then +50 or -100?

[col1879]

You could play it on live wheel or b&m as well

I agree you cannot outsmart RNG if using a pattern, that's why the EC bets are random for this strategy.

[col1879]

I suppose one way to improve this strategy (wouldn't be hard lol) is to not bet on every spin.

For example, free spin until you notice a particular EC hit 3 times in a row then start betting on the opposite eg Red, Red, Red so Bet 1 on Black?

[Nathan Detroit]

Taking the first  3  rows  of  col1879

L L L W L L L W L L>>>> I walk  afer the 3 rd loss in a row , down   6 units

L L W L L L L L W W>>>>>I walk  after  the 5th spin ,down  5 units

L L L L W W L L W L >>>>>>> I walk after the 3rd losss in a row down 6 units.

 I am down  $ 85 from a  full bankroll of $ 600.00 . I don`t like it but  accept this  small 14 % loss. There will be  another day.

Will play ONLY at  a live  wheel in  a  B & M.    casino.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY INNINGS!!!


P.S. I  applied  the 2-1-2 method

[col1879]

*******I am down  $ 85 from a  full bankroll of $ 600.00 . I don`t like it but  accept this  small 14 % loss. There will be  another day.*******

I suppose knowing when to accept your losses and run, as well as reaching a certain profit target and not get too greedy, is very important.

The problem with any strategy is it is different for everyone. I could win +$1 on my first spin and quit, and do this 1,000,000 times in a row. Someone else could lose their first bet 1,000,000 times in a row lol

I suppose as long as it lasts (winning) for the majority of MY lifetime then who cares if the 1,000,000 losses in a row come after I am dead or if they happen to mr and mrs john q taxpayer lol

Anyone got any suggestions for starting BR, profit target and stop loss for this strategy? How often should I rathole?

[birdhands]

You could play it on live wheel or b&m as well

I agree you cannot outsmart RNG if using a pattern, that's why the EC bets are random for this strategy.

Col,
   Please don't think I'm arguing with you; I just want to make sure I got my point across.  My belief is that if the RNG is going to force losses then it doesn't matter what you do; it will just pick whatever number you don't have a chip on.  Pattern or no pattern, it's all the same.  The only way around it is to bet 37 chips (every number), in which case the house edge beats you anyway.  If the RNG is rigged, then it's rigged to choose the next number AFTER you lay your bets.  I just don't want to see you lose when you could have won in a fair fight. 

Sam

[col1879]

***************then it's rigged to choose the next number AFTER you lay your bets***************************

I don't think RNG are rigged to the extent that it chooses the number after you bet to force a loss. I may be wrong. I think it's rigged in that it encourages a higher number of repeats than live wheels.

I will test in both RNG and Live wheels and see if there are any major differences. I will do at least 10,000 more tests manually and only if it is favourable will I risk real money.

The testing is really frustrating because the crappy ps3 browser keeps crashing lol

I've been thinking for start up BR 500, profit target 80 and stop loss 125? If reach 1000 then rathole 250?

[darrynf]

first example you needed a bnkroll of $210


1 unit: L L L W L L L W L L (-6, won 20%)
2 unit: L L W L L L L L W W (-8, won 30%)
3 unit: L L L L W W L L W L (-12, won 30%)
4 unit:  L L L L L L L W W L (-24, won 20%)
5 unit:  L L L L W W L L W W (-10, won 40%)
6 unit:  L L L W L L W L L W (-24, won 30%)
7 unit: L L W L L W L L W W (-14, won 40%)
8 unit: L L W W L L W W L W (0, won 50%)
9 unit:  L L W W W L W L W W (+18, won 60%)
10 unit:  L L W W L L L L W L (-40, won 30%)
11 unit:  L L W W L W W W L W (+22, won 60%)
12 unit:  L W W L L W L W W W (+24, won 60%)
13 unit:  W W W L L W L L W W (+26, won 60%)
14 unit:  W L W L W L W L W L (0, won 50%)
15 unit:  W W W L W W W L W L (+60, won 70%)

Total Bets Placed = 150
Total Bets Won = 65 (43.33%)
Total Bets Lost = 85 (56.66%)
Total Profit = +12

for this you would of needed a bankroll of $1100+ and even then you couldnt guarantee a win. to make a profit of $12.
its a nice idea but i really dont think it will hold up even in the short term, theres no way of telling which session will win more and you can only play up to your bankroll will alow you.
the only time you made money was at the 9th unit game, if your bankroll was $360 then you would have lost it all in the 8th unit game.
sorry cole but i dont really think this would hold up for long, like you said you need a really big bankroll and to gain only a little bit of profit dosent seem good to me.
I think stick to one ec and if it loses two times in a row switch to catch the wins.
example:
1 unit: L L (two loses in a row, switch then the 3rd loss would of been a win, maybe use virtual betting at first then after two losses or wins bet on that streak to catch it winning) L W L L (place bet on L for a win) L W L L
for every ww or LL place a bet on it to catch the 3rd repeat.
and if pattern is like this L W L W L W (place bet for L) L (win) W L W L W place bet for L

[atlantis]

Hi,

The following system fits in neatly with this discussion thread and was posted by fender1000 on another forum:

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NAME OF STRATEGY***SPIN 100***
METHOD---We are going to take the HIGH LOW even chance from the layout for my description of how this method works. It should in theory work equally well for ODDS AND EVENS----RED AND BLACK. But (don't ask me why) I have always played it on high low.

Basically through my analysis of even chances over a 100 spin sequence a typical breakdown for HIGH--LOW will be something like this HIGH 47% LOW 50% ZERO 3%
Lets not forget about that green goblin LoL. It wants its piece of the pie.

SO HOW DO WE MAKE A PROFIT FROM THIS KNOWLEDGE??
When you further break down that 100 spin sequence into mini games of **10**things start to get VERY INTERESTING. The following is a copy of a session I played last month...

(SPIN--100)
L-H-L-H-H-H-L-H-H-H---7/3 SPLIT TO HIGH
L-L-H-L-L-H-L-L-L-H---7/3 SPLIT TO LOW
L-L-H-H-L-L-H-L-L-0---6/3 SPLIT TO LOW--ZERO 1
L-H-H-H-L-H-H-H-L-H---7/3 SPLIT TO HIGH
L-L-H-L-L-0-L-H-H-L---6/3 SPLIT TO LOW--ZERO 1
L-H-0-L-L-L-H-L-L-H---6/3 SPLIT TO LOW--ZERO 1-----TRIGGER----
L-L-H-H-L-L-H-L-H-H---5/5--EVEN SPLIT
H-H-H-H-L-H-L-H-L-L---6/4 SPLIT TO HIGH
L-L-H-L-L-H-H-H-L-L---4/6 SPLIT TO LOW
H-H-H-L-H-H-L-H-H-0---7/2 SPLIT TO HIGH--ZERO 1

STATS---LOW=48%---HIGH=48%----ZERO=4%---PLAYED AT BETFREDS.COM
Beautiful isn't it? Can you see what I see? We ended up with the same number of hits on low and high minus the 4 zeros. So how do I profit from this? Notice where I have put a trigger. It signalled that the previous two games had been won by low. That means that for the next GAME I FAVOR **HIGH**.Through my analysis it is rare for three games in a row to be won 7/3 or better by one even chance or the other, even for three games to be won at all is uncommon enough to profit from. The worst you will (nearly always see) expect is a 6/4 split to the winner of the previous 2 games. It could be as good as 8/2 or better to the loser of the previous two games. The random game isn't so random once you put it within that 100 spin frame. that's what I have been saying all along.

So imagine you told a gambler that he is virtually CERTAIN to win at least 4 of his next ten spins on high or low. Some might look at you like you are crazy. But its the truth. The vast majority of the time you will see a turn around. In that real example. The split was 50/50. Now how do we stake such information. Knowing that we can nearly always expect at least 4 hits out of 10. We may need to increase our stakes ONLY if those wins come in the second half of the 10 spin frame. So for example this is how I played the 5/5 split
L=1PT LOST
L=1PT LOST
H=1PT WON
H=1PT WON---BACK TO EVEN
L=1PT LOST
L=1PT LOST---TIME TO INCREASE STAKES  TO LEVEL 2
H=4PTS WON
L=1PT LOST--LEVEL 1 STAKES
H=4PTS WON--LEVEL 2 STAKES
H=(NO BET--- AS EXPECTED MINUMUM ACHIEVED)

GAME COMPLETE WITH 5 WINS--5 LOSSES-AND 5PTS PROFIT

This strategy takes patience no doubt. But believe me it is safer than THE ZONE, CROSSPLAY 5. The lot of them. Again you will only complete a game if YOU NEED TO..
Lets say I had WON my first 3 spins at LEVEL 1 STAKES that 3pts PROFIT. Thankyou very much GAME OVER. Another finding is if an even shot really under delivers over the first 50 spins. AGAIN it nearly ALWAYS makes a sure comeback over the next 50 spins. Lets say low ony had a 18 hits out of 50. Watch it make a comeback over the next 50 spins. that's the time to be on LOW. In that game I have used as an example look at HIGH in the latter stages. PERCENTAGES RULE THE GAME OF ROULETTE, NOTHING ELSE...

STAKING**LEVEL 1=1PT LEVEL 2=4PTS LEVEL 3=8PTS

Check this strategy out and tell me what you think. If you are a conservative grinder type of bettor like myself. This strategy is perfect. It delivers steady profits.

how we play this is if the first 4 spins on the game we are playing hit the opposite chance we then move up to LEVEL 2 STAKES. Remember we expect 4 hits out of 10 minumum. The only problem is we don't know WHERE they will fall in the 10 spin game. I will give you a worst case scenario below as an example. Although this has NEVER happenned to me.

SPIN 1=L-1PT
SPIN 2=L-1PT
SPIN 3=L-1PT
SPIN 4=L-1PT----(4 LOSSES IN A ROW I NOW RAISE TO LEVEL 2)
SPIN 5=L-4PTS
SPIN 6=L-4PTS--(6 LOSSES IN A ROW I NOW RAISE TO LEVEL 3)
SPIN 7=H+8PTS
SPIN 8=H+8PTS--(2 WINS AT LEVEL 3 DROP TO LEVEL 1)
SPIN 9=L-1PT
SPIN 10=H+1PT---SESSION ENDED WITH 3 WINS--7 LOSSES--AND 4PTS PROFIT

I even made 3 wins out of ten a proft making game here guys. Can you see the power of good money management within a set frame where you expect a certain number of hits. 



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Best wishes,
A.

[atlantis]

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