Logic is the bomb!

[gizmotron]

Wouldn't you have liked to have seen this?

[MauiSunset]

I said one day that I would drop the bomb. I know that I have given the mathboyz a lot of disagreement over the past four years. It's because I was not willing to share something profound with them. They love real advantage. They completely understand that in the game of 21 there is a mathematical and finite value for advantage as the deck goes from 52 cards down to the end of its functional utility.

Now consider this: If a characteristic is true and pure to a discernible degree. If that characteristic has a duration to it that tends to continue for a time, then during that duration of continuation a mathematical advantage exists as long as that characteristic continues. There is no other reason for a characteristic like that continuing other than a normal distribution of randomness. There is no force that can cause it to discontinue other than a normal distribution of randomness. In other words, there is no force that can cause or prevent an advantage from starting to occur in the game of Roulette. One of the very best examples of this is in the form of the "global effect." That is a term I made up to describe the phenomenon.

Now go forth and win your Fields Medal and your Nobel Prize.

What language is this?

I'm serious; it makes no sense at all.

Can you break it down into something smaller and lots of examples?

[MauiSunset]

It's in the language of someone that has been in discussion with me for the past four years. Words like "characteristic" relate to the characteristics of randomness. This is the Nature of Randomness board. To classify that this characteristic as a true and pure version of the characteristic is a way of being conditionally specific with regards to it.

I provided a great example of it in a recent post in the (Can you see the Trend) thread on the same board here.

More gobbledygook.


I've followed that thread and many more and I just don't see where you have any special glimpse at random numbers - because there is none.

You're the one claiming you can see through random numbers yet you offer no proof.

I guess I really don't expect any to ever appear - so mark me down as one that thinks you honestly believe you have something but in reality you can't prove it to anyone but yourself.

Sorry, you've not convinced me in the slightest.....

[birdhands]

MS, you are starting to become a real bummer.  I think we have all understood your point by now.  There are plenty of forums full of idiots who actually make the world a worse place; why don't you go and argue with them?  Your talents could really make a difference on a fundamentalist christian forum, for example.  Give us a break, we're not hurting anybody here.

[MauiSunset]

MS, you are starting to become a real bummer.  I think we have all understood your point by now.  There are plenty of forums full of idiots who actually make the world a worse place; why don't you go and argue with them?  Your talents could really make a difference on a fundamentalist christian forum, for example.  Give us a break, we're not hurting anybody here.

Questions too tough?

I simply ask that anyone who declairs they are Nobel Prize Material actually prove what they claim.

So far everyone here who claims to be able to beat Roulette, with secret techniques that would easily win them a Nobel prize in mathematics and the $1,000,000 prize that goes with it, just can't prove it.

I call this stuff UFO science since it is way beyond what we normal earthlings understand.

Just offer proof and I'll go away....(To Vegas and make a killing)

[MauiSunset]

It has always been my life long ambition to convince you. I'm so glad that you can't see this. It's just more proof that there will be people that can't see things, no matter what you do or say. By the time you catch up the boat will have sailed. So please do me a favor, if it is in your capacity. Would you just spend more time reading and less time complaining. I'm trying to do something here. I'm finally sharing everything that interests me and that I have been defending for several years. If that takes several months than so be it. I'm not comfortable attempting to keep the stragglers up with the informed people here.

The burden of proof is not on me - I claim I use Roulette to get more free drinks than what it would have cost me to buy them at the bar - I can easily demo that claim.

Your material is junk science - you offer theories that have no merit and you can't back them up with any proof.

Why on earth should anyone listen to you?  I just know you believe in this stuff but I'm telling you it sounds just like the UFO websites - way way out there.....

[MauiSunset]

You want proof, do some work. Or are you too afraid to do anything but harp about others doing all the work just for you. You can take my 150 spin example of a global effect and apply the rule based system of shifting tactics on the changes. I suppose you will need to be hand-held and walked through each step to know what to do. You are a very tired and worn out pest of this forum. Even if every bet were explained to you and your were walked through the math that supports the final results you would still be  the same old internet pest that disrupts threads for your personal entertainment. I think you should be banned or begin contributing more than your very tired out diatribe.

I know what you mean - reality keeps getting in the way of daydreaming.

For fun, visit a UFO site and you will see 100% of the folks talking Klingon and having a great time.   There aren't folks there who demand any kind of proof - its a place where kooks get together and have fun.  I don't go there and demand proof from the kooks.

I hope you're not suggesting that this is what this chat room is - a place for kooks to debate Roulette?

You have failed to supply the smallest amount of evidence and now you ask for debate to be stopped - how fair is that?

Your material is just a bunch of Klingon to me......

[Mike]

Maui has a point. At a UFO site you don't have to prove anything, in fact you CAN'T prove anything. Here it's different, instead of writing pages of vague descriptions why not give us a demo?

It would be useful, you could include comments saying why you made the bets you did, that way we will get a better insight into how it works. Right now I have to admit that I don't have a clue, but maybe it's one of those things that are so obvious that looking too hard prevents understanding.

[MauiSunset]

This is getting funny. I was going to prove it in a live chat, right here on this forum. All I was waiting for was for my internet connection to get back up to normal speeds. But I'll bet you think that is a fib too. I've grown tired of the skeptics. I'll just keep teaching this. I'll teach the characteristics and the tactics. I'll let those that put it all together give you the proof you require. It's a far gone conclusion that many of you are too bothered to actually learn a skill. To each their own. Just remember this. This is the thread where it was published first.

Have you ever heard that idiom "beggars can't be choosers?" Well it applies.

It's really for the best. Those that nag need to go to the back of the line. I'm going to help anyone that asks a specific question, where I don't have to do too much work to answer it. I'll deal with a topic. I just want to do it when it suits me and when I have the time. I know that you all want specific examples of situations and how I play it. You can expect all that in the next few months. It's not like this is a one on one discussion.

Tell me, what would be the difference if you just lied to us?  Not saying you are, but how would a lie sound compared to what you claim?

You may not want to acknowledge it, but your reputation is being tarnished by your constant postponing of offering proof.  You keep coming up with theories that make no sense, can't be backed up by any science or math and then demand not to offer proof.

So how would a lie read compared to what you offer as your theories?

There is no difference as long as verifiable proof is not offered.  You've said that an internet connection seems to be the problem - you've been stuck on this for weeks now - how does that bode well for your ability to conjure up theories that are way beyond our science and math.

You are the one making the claims, it's not up to us "beggars" to prove you correct - the burden of proof falls squarely on your shoulders.

Basically; I don't believe a word you say - the lack of proof is becoming quite obvious - it will never appear - too many excuses with too many wild, crazy theories....

[MauiSunset]

The proof boss the proof. You sound like Tattoo.

You are nothing but a nag. Why don't you shut your pie hole.

Everybody knows that you don't believe it. It does not make you informed.

The very worst thing that I can do to you is what I'm doing right now.

The more you nag the more I like it. All you are doing is hanging out at a forum where everything is a lie to you and only you understand that roulette can't be beaten. It all comes down to feeding that messiah complex doesn't it? You have an addiction to this forum. You need attention. You have nothing to offer but your demands for proof.

Like I already said. I will teach people to do this and you can demand proof from them too. And get this too. The real mathboyz are going to see all this. They won't wait for proof to take action. That's your problem. Really smart people don't need to be delivered in a bus to get an idea and run with it. They see it long before the throngs.

Excuses, excuses, excuses, sadly you can't use that excuse at the casino......

Let's try this by example.

You have 150 spins. At spin #50 you discover that the conditions go from follow-the-last-spin to don't-follow-the-last-spin back and forth in such a way that these changes are always abrupt.

So it goes like this:

RRRRRRRbbbbbbbRRRRRbbbbbbbbbRRRRRRR
RbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRb
bbbbbbbRRRRRRRRbbbbbbbRRRRRRbbbbbb
RbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRb

So you use a rule that once one type changes then you change your bet technique.

This symbolizes change "|"

RRRRRRRb | bbbbbbR | RRRRb | bbbbbbbbR | RRRRRR
Rb | | RbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRb
b | | bbbbbbR | RRRRRRRb | bbbbbbR | RRRRRb | bbbbb
R | | bRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRbRb ....

You lose  for every change "|"

So we have 14 losses

We also have 102 wins

All this because we used the simple rule to change because that is what was happening in the randomness. That the changes all occurred abruptly so the method used the same abruptness to change with each change.

If it's so easy just demo it.......


Folks, why on earth allow folks, who spout insane ideas, and not ask for some kind of proof?  All these ideas come from the Twilight Zone.

All these ideas are worthless - there is nothing grounded in reality here; not one link can be given for you to see any real science/math behind these squirrely ideas.

Put me down as someone who believes you don't know what the heck you are doing, and I don't believe you gamble in a casino - probably never been to one.

But it's your money folks and your definition of entertainment.....

[MauiSunset]

Demo this. Get your mother to demo it.

What in the hell are you going to say and do once I prove it? If you are Spike you are going to have the worst thing possible happen to you. Your precocious little game will get changed.

If I have 10 out of 12 long drawn out live chat sessions on here that win you will just claim it was all luck.  So on me requires all the work and all the teaching too. What are you going to do for me?

Everything you do here is like a little child saying "I know your are but what am I."

What logic do you think that exists where I'm supposed to do what you want?

Everything you do now is worthy of treating you like shit.

All you have is Proof Proof Proof and excuses excuses excuses.

I guess I'll have to go over to my private area where I can delete every one of your posts. The problem with that is only signed in members can see it in the main menu. So I will be forced to post reminders that will show up in the latest postings at the bottom of the main home page.

Just run a 2 hour demo - that's all I ask.

You make crazy claims that you are unwilling to prove - what should we do?  Take your word for it?

By making claims, some folks might take you up on what you say and use your techniques and lose money.

How in the world do you sleep at night?

I could never make a wild claim and let innocent folks lose hard earned money with my irresponsible actions and big mouth.

You need to either demonstrate your techniques or make a disclosure that they are unproven and folks can lose money.

Take some responsibility for your words - you may be harming other folks.............

[cheese]

What in the hell are you going to say and do once I prove it?

The only thing you can prove is your desperate for attention, you prove it every time you post. You're boy that cried wolf so many times they finally exiled you from the village.

[MauiSunset]

Wow, thank goodness. We have a white crusader.

You might want to note this: I 'm publishing in the wide open for free. I provided software to practice with so that nobody needs to go into any casino without proving it to themselves that they can do this. But thanks for trying to save the world. It's really funny. You caring so much an all that.

Thanks for elevating me to the White Knight level; I couldn't have done it without you.

[Twocando]

You've got a bomb, but do you know how to use it?


Logic vs trend vs random = ?

[Twocando]

 

You are right, but if there is no force to stop it, what is then causing it not to start? or to happen?

If we can work with a spiral discussion, and just go for the point of what we are looking for, trying to explain and not jump back and forth between who is right or wrong.

I take the "global effect" to be true. Why? because it can't be denied that everything happens in its own time, but it will happen.

Even if logic says that there will be a change and there will be a repeat and trend comes in to play there both will ad-hear to random.

Random doesn't rule the game or live. random its just a pattern of how things happen. In this there is logic that something will trend to repeat or chop.

Like bad luck coming in sets of 3 or 6 and then some good luck in life.

If I make a statement, saying that the next number will be within the next 9 numbers from the last. Either on the wheel or the carpet, will it never happen? This can be to the left or right from the last. Doesn't matter.

I'm either going to be right or wrong. But in the right or wrong there will be something to look at.

Something is causing me to Win or to Lose. If this is forming a trend or pattern why not use it?

Follow the action that made you Win or lose.

The Runs , chop and the two's are killing us, but why? aren't we looking at what's happening?

What do you think?

TCD


   

[Twocando]

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