It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[cheese]

So thats your method? Thats what you've done, calculated odds and applied progressions and thats how you expect to win? All your talk of educated guessing and reading random, what was that all about? You don't think that maybe, oh, a MILLION other players have tried exactly what you just explained and it never worked for them? Why is that, do you think.

Calculating odds and using progressions doesn't work, as you found out in your demo thread. Are you going to persist in this folly or will you go back and see if you can understand educated guessing and reading random? Thats what I'd advise.

[gizmotron]

Calculating odds and using progressions doesn't work, as you found out in your demo thread. Are you going to persist in this folly or will you go back and see if you can understand educated guessing and reading random? Thats what I'd advise.

Cheese pest, the internet pest, the Spike Spokesman, all things Spike. The guy that only hates Gizmotron on a daily basis. Why don't you get a life?

[cheese]

The guy that only hates Gizmotron on a daily basis. Why don't you get a life?

I don't hate anybody. You mention Spike so often, like you're the expert on him. I'm just here to defend his position, somebody has to. I asked Steve long ago to cancel the Spike account and I opened one under the name of Cheese. I post as Cheese here and Spike on GG. We're almost the same person. I don't have multiple accounts, Cheese is it here. I'm breaking no forum rules.

[gizmotron]

I don't hate anybody. You mention Spike so often, like you're the expert on him. I'm just here to defend his position, somebody has to. I asked Steve long ago to cancel the Spike account and I opened one under the name of Cheese. I post as Cheese here and Spike on GG. We're almost the same person. I don't have multiple accounts, Cheese is it here. I'm breaking no forum rules.

You are still desperate. Nothing has changed.

[cheese]

You are still desperate. Nothing has changed.

I'm just waiting for you to stand on your own and stop using Spike as a crutch for everything.

[Robeenhuut]

Have u guys tested "possible holy grail" - yeah I know the title  method by turbogenius? Its about playing sleeping numbers after watching 3 cycles of spins.   Somebody posted link on one of the forums.   
hxxp: turbogenius.   webs.   com/possibleholygrail.   htm
After 20k spins (140 sessions) 1200units ahead betting 1unit. 
Looks very constant with upward trend.   Just changed stop loss 2 150 units. 

[gizmotron]

I'm just waiting for you to stand on your own and stop using Spike as a crutch for everything.

I decided to teach my own students in private. That was standing on my own. Both you and Spike thinks it's your duty to act like Barney Fife and dog me where ever I go on the internet. When are you going to stand on your own?

For the record, and you can try to figure this out using the internet if you want to. I was already aware of features of randomness that were readable. In fact I built computer programs that both targeted and selected the best three hot numbers is 300 spin cycles. It also graphed these selections. It also re-selected after about 100 spins.

I published on the internet back in 1997. I used a topic header that included beating Roulette with Brute Force. One of you guys found something about that in the very old archives of GG. That was long before you were there. That is where I became aware of the characteristics of randomness. The only reason I started posting was to see what the big world thought of Roulette methods. I already had my opinions firmly concluded. Spike was the only one talking about guessing as a skill. That does not make me his apprentice. I'm the one that builds computer simulations. I'm the one that has gained the experience from all that. I've built many systems that include computer performed guessing. That include avoidance rules. None of this has been done by Spike.

Now that Spike rides a white horse and wears a white hat he thinks it's his duty to attempt to wreck my internet experience. Everyone suspects that Spike is a narcissist. So I ignore him too.

[gizmotron]

gizmotron - Posted: 08-Nov-07 20:10 "I get it now."

Spike said it best this time:

"I used to play a lot of golf, don't have time anymore. I have been wracking my tiny brain to figure out a good analogy for the method I use in roulette.

In golf, you usually play on the same course all the time. 18 holes and you get to know every hole pretty well. For every stroke, you must make a decision based on your experience with the hole. How far is it, is the wind blowing, where is the ball laying, and you choose what you think is the best club to use. After a lot of experience on the course, although you rarely have the same score twice in a row, its usually within a few strokes of your average. Thats because you play here all the time and make a lot of the correct decisions and not very many bad ones.

Thats how I play roulette. I practice and practice and become intimately familiar with the patterns and what came before and whats likely to come next. Its just like playing the same golf course all the time. I make my betting choice on my familiarity with what I've seen and done before. And like golf, I have an average and if I stay in practice, the average is consistent.

When I choose a club from my bag, I'm comparing this shot to all the other shots I've made that were similar. When I place a bet, I'm comparing what I see on the marquee to all the other 1000's of similar marquee outcomes I've seen. It doesn't matter that the last spin has no influence on the next spin. There is consistency here and it is predictable, up to a point. You are really playing against yourself, just like in golf. And thats exactly how it feels, too. I never think the casino or the golf course is my enemy. They are just obstacles I can overcome if I keep practicing and paying attention to every shot and every bet.

This probably just confuses you all even more, but its the best I can do."

gizmotron - Posted: 08-Nov-07 20:10  -

I actually get this explanation. Spike is referring to the pattern of play not so much the patterns that I search for. He could have said that he has practiced so much that he understands the nature of Roulette and knows how to exploit that by experience.

That is exactly what I'm going to do with regards to the treading water. I have my answer and I understand Spike much better now.

My search for a method to break even does not mean that I learned everything I know from him. But that has not stopped him from thinking he's the big deal that he thinks he is. Histrionics is only good if you can hide the evidence or count on others to believe you. The Archives prove Spike is ego centric. The good news is that it's been four years and he is still stuck on himself. I can do this all day. Just read where I first started posting back in 2007 at GG. Spike and I disagreed back then.

[zippyplayer]

Gizmotron 
I decided to teach my own students in private.

how come none of them have come online to say how wonderful you are then

[cheese]

My search for a method to break even does not mean that I learned everything I know from him.

Whew, thats a relief. What a burden that would be for me. When are you going to share something you came up with on your own? And I don't mean something you stole from Spike and claimed as your own.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

I believe there in no 'favorable' time to play. If you think its favorable, it means you think you know whats coming in the next sequence of spins. And you can't possibly know.

Then how do you know when to play and when not to?  You already said, "knowing when not to bet is just as important as knowing when to bet."  If there are no favorable times to play then this is a contradiction.

[Nathan Detroit]

I dont think it is a contradiction. I would like  to repeat what the great rouletteplayer Christian Kisan once said:

sometimes it is better to forego a win than to realize a loss****CH. Kaisan.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

[gizmotron]

Whew, thats a relief. What a burden that would be for me. When are you going to share something you came up with on your own? And I don't mean something you stole from Spike and claimed as your own.

You were nowhere to be seen when I taught my students. You weren't there when I worked out hot number betting methods. You were not there when I realized that randomness applies to hot numbers and EC's the very same way. I know this because I never ever discussed this with you. I didn't think you were smart enough to relate to it. So it never got much attention in the past four years. You clearly know nothing about Elegant Patterns. You only have one thing. Educated Guessing. And you never ever told me what that meant to you with regards to how you use it. Now you want credit for your BS. I'd love to see what you think I have claimed as my own that I got from you. In fact there are ten people that would love to read your shit.

[cheese]

You weren't there when I worked out hot number betting methods. You were not there when I realized that randomness applies to hot numbers and EC's the very same way. I know this because I never ever discussed this with you.

And I still have no idea what you're talking about, you could be making it all up.

[gizmotron]

And I still have no idea what you're talking about, you could be making it all up.

Well it's simple stupid. You are a moron. You have always had that deficiency. I'm a computer programmer and I have decades of real playing experience. All we have from you is your 72% claimer. But don't worry. I have a simple tool that makes winning a very easy process. All you do is make the bets it tells you to. Maybe I should dedicate this thing the Ed Thorpe. He's been a real hoot for the gaming industry.

[gizmotron]

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