It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[gizmotron]

Monkey see, monkey do.

I still think your mommy and daddy won't let you go to the casino.....

Jeez, did you say you want your mommy and daddy? Did you know that you were always seen as a neophyte whelp by all your betters here? Do you even know what that means? It really doesn't matter because nobody understands you anyway. Nice going. You and Frank Burns are like symbiotic soul mates.

[gizmotron]

Imagine not knowing how to target an advantage in the game of roulette. It must be wonderful to pretend to be a gambling expert without that. But even more lame is claiming that $100 well drinks are owed to you for an entertainment concept. All you have to do is pay for them. That is the mindset of MauiSunset. He even pretends that he can't understand it when his own points are fed back to him paraphrased. So if you don't understand this, it's a mirror of you. What you don't understand is you. Like I said. It's a terrible thing to see in public.

[Mike]

Sorry Maui... This has nothing to do with Gambler's Fallacy.  It's not predicting which number is next.  It's not thinking something is "due".  

This is about being aware of the current conditions, and, if favorable, being willing to risk a bet to see if those conditions continue.  Please try to understand this.  It's not as hard as you're making it.


VKM

How do you know if conditions are "favorable"? That's the contradiction you keep repeating. You can only know conditions are favorable if past spins have indicated that certain patterns will continue.. or not. But past spins never do give any such indication, that's the fallacy...

I understand what Gizmo is saying regarding not trying to predict future spins. Yes, you can play for "coincidence" and just guessing that a trend may continue, but the reality is that sometimes it will and sometimes it won't, and the number of times you get it wrong and lose 1 unit, vs the number of times you get it right and make a profit, will eventually balance out so that you win/lose the expected amount.

It's like the discussion regarding which is better - positive or negative progressions? Ultimately there is no difference. Using one or another changes the distribution of your wins and losses, that's all. With a negative progression you have a lot of small wins and occasionally a big loss which wipes out all your profits and more, and with a positive progression you have a lot of small losses and an occasional big win (but not enough to cancel the many small losses).

[gizmotron]

How do you know if conditions are "favorable"? That's the contradiction you keep repeating. You can only know conditions are favorable if past spins have indicated that certain patterns will continue.. or not. But past spins never do give any such indication, that's the fallacy...

That is so close to the truth that you should know that it's not the fallacy I'm counting on. If it's something else I wonder if you can figure it out on your own? Conditions are favorable because of something else. Something else gives the indication. I wonder if you can figure it out.

I understand what Gizmo is saying regarding not trying to predict future spins. Yes, you can play for "coincidence" and just guessing that a trend may continue, but the reality is that sometimes it will and sometimes it won't, and the number of times you get it wrong and lose 1 unit, vs the number of times you get it right and make a profit, will eventually balance out so that you win/lose the expected amount.

That's not true. It does not balance out. You don't know what the global effect is. You can't see how it also applies. And I won't teach it on this forum. I've learned that lesson the hard way.

It's like the discussion regarding which is better - positive or negative progressions? Ultimately there is no difference. Using one or another changes the distribution of your wins and losses, that's all. With a negative progression you have a lot of small wins and occasionally a big loss which wipes out all your profits and more, and with a positive progression you have a lot of small losses and an occasional big win (but not enough to cancel the many small losses). 

Like I said there is another reason that does not fit with your conclusion. Progressions are mindless rule based methods that require blind bet selections. This is not blind bet selections. By its very nature this outperforms any mathematical balance. You win more times than the balance allows for.

[Zindrod]

How do you know if conditions are "favorable"? That's the contradiction you keep repeating. You can only know conditions are favorable if past spins have indicated that certain patterns will continue.. or not. But past spins never do give any such indication, that's the fallacy...

I understand what Gizmo is saying regarding not trying to predict future spins. Yes, you can play for "coincidence" and just guessing that a trend may continue, but the reality is that sometimes it will and sometimes it won't, and the number of times you get it wrong and lose 1 unit, vs the number of times you get it right and make a profit, will eventually balance out so that you win/lose the expected amount.

It's like the discussion regarding which is better - positive or negative progressions? Ultimately there is no difference. Using one or another changes the distribution of your wins and losses, that's all. With a negative progression you have a lot of small wins and occasionally a big loss which wipes out all your profits and more, and with a positive progression you have a lot of small losses and an occasional big win (but not enough to cancel the many small losses).

Exactly what I meant. Thanx Mike.

[MauiSunset]

Sorry Maui... This has nothing to do with Gambler's Fallacy.  It's not predicting which number is next.  It's not thinking something is "due".  

This is about being aware of the current conditions, and, if favorable, being willing to risk a bet to see if those conditions continue.  Please try to understand this.  It's not as hard as you're making it.


VKM

 

Give me an example.

You use the term "aware of the current conditions" - what does that mean?  An example please.

Also, the term "if favorable, being willing to risk a bet to see if those conditions continue" what the heck does that mean?

You're using Gizmo psychobabble speak - this is just gibberish.

A couple of examples will expose this nonsense for what it is - Gizmo talk.

No matter what that marquee shows, the next number spun will be between 0 and 36 and ALL numbers have the same probability of appearing - ALL of them.

There is NO way to be "aware of the current conditions" and then to "if favorable, being willing to risk a bet to see if those conditions continue" - this is Gizmo speak - insanity.

Nothing Gizmo says is true, nothing he says is backed up by any science or math, its just the ramblings of a very disturbed and angry mind.

Prove me wrong - give me an example in real time on a live spinning wheel - show me what you mean.

You can't you've just been infected with crazy thoughts from a disturbed mind - Gizmo.

Gizmo simply makes insane claims, and refuses to prove anything he says - he claims to have students, none have come forward to verify Gizmo's claims - unless you'd like to.

This is all insanity run a muck - don't get sucked into the delusional thoughts that have no grounds in any reality.

[MauiSunset]

That is so close to the truth that you should know that it's not the fallacy I'm counting on. If it's something else I wonder if you can figure it out on your own? Conditions are favorable because of something else. Something else gives the indication. I wonder if you can figure it out.

That's not true. It does not balance out. You don't know what the global effect is. You can't see how it also applies. And I won't teach it on this forum. I've learned that lesson the hard way.

Like I said there is another reason that does not fit with your conclusion. Progressions are mindless rule based methods that require blind bet selections. This is not blind bet selections. By its very nature this outperforms any mathematical balance. You win more times than the balance allows for.

More Gizmo psychobabble speak.

Gizmo, just admit it, you can't prove any of your wild claims - you can't give a demo, you can't explain it in English you can only use psychobabble speak to explain what does not exist.

You make insane claims, refuse to back up any of your claims, and then go postal when folks challenge you.

I will donate $100 to any charity you want if you can offer ANY verifiable proof - something that we can reproduce and get the same results you claim to be able to "see".  That's how confident I am that you can't back up your insane claims with anything but Gizmo speak.

I await your grand unavailing.....

The sad truth is you crave attention, to the point of insanity.

[Nathan Detroit]

Would  you also  donate  to the " Revival of the DEAD SEA Charity" chaired  by Clem kleddiddlehopper ?

[MauiSunset]

Would  you also  donate  to the " Revival of the DEAD SEA Charity" chaired  by Clem kleddiddlehopper ?

Any charity Gizmo want's - UFO charities, the alliance of random number readers, even the Gizmo foundation.

I truly believe Gizmo sees things in random numbers - that's the problem.

Here's a test I would be glad to run for you random number clairvoyants:

I will show you 4 sets of random numbers:

1) One set will be copied from a live spinning wheel from weeks ago that I have

2) One set will be from a RNG

3) Another set will be numbers I pulled out of my head

4) The last set will be from a RNG from 0 - 37 (double Green 00) with any Green 00 deleted

If you read random numbers for a living you should be able to find the set from the live spinning roulette wheel.

If you are a gifted clairvoyant then you should easily identify the other sets of numbers.

We all know Gizmo can't tell the difference, nor can anyone else on this planet....

P.S.

I will do just that - I will gather the data today and post a poll - you pick out the real set of numbers.  Look for it sometime today.

[gizmotron]

Give me an example.

You use the term "aware of the current conditions" - what does that mean?  An example please.

Also, the term "if favorable, being willing to risk a bet to see if those conditions continue" what the heck does that mean?

You're using Gizmo psychobabble speak - this is just gibberish.

A couple of examples will expose this nonsense for what it is - Gizmo talk.

No matter what that marquee shows, the next number spun will be between 0 and 36 and ALL numbers have the same probability of appearing - ALL of them.

There is NO way to be "aware of the current conditions" and then to "if favorable, being willing to risk a bet to see if those conditions continue" - this is Gizmo speak - insanity.

Nothing Gizmo says is true, nothing he says is backed up by any science or math, its just the ramblings of a very disturbed and angry mind.

Prove me wrong - give me an example in real time on a live spinning wheel - show me what you mean.

You can't you've just been infected with crazy thoughts from a disturbed mind - Gizmo.

Gizmo simply makes insane claims, and refuses to prove anything he says - he claims to have students, none have come forward to verify Gizmo's claims - unless you'd like to.

This is all insanity run a muck - don't get sucked into the delusional thoughts that have no grounds in any reality.

Again you make almost  no sense whatsoever. Many many examples were already provided to you. All it has proven is that you are not only an imbacile but a neophyte imbacile at that. All you do now is to rant and rave like a demanding little tyrant with your big fat bullhorn of a mouth. You must grow beyond your safety zone. You know, that you think you are entertaining yourself as a roulette loser. You are just a dumb loser.

[VKM]

SmartLive Casino is a fun place to play their Live European Wheel (televised in Great Britain).   

About three weeks ago I went to the site to play (for free).   When I looked at the 185 past spins I immediately noticed a long trend.  Because of the way they show the past spins, it's easy to spot what's been happening with the Reds & Blacks, not so easy for the Odds and Evens or Highs and Lows.   For the entire 185 spins there were no more than 3 blacks in a row.   Red had been slightly dominating but there were plenty of blacks.   

So based on what had been happening for the last 185 spins I decided to bet that the current trends would continue.   I chose to wait for a Black to appear and then play a 3 stage Martingale on Red.   For the next 37 spins the trends of "not more than 3 Blacks in a row" & "Red Dominating" continued.   I won every betting series.   I stopped after a few wins and left the site, so I really don't know how much longer those particular conditions lasted.

It's the truth, but I have no verifiable record of it.


VKM



       

Was I able to recognize what was happening at the table?  Yes.
Did I think that those conditions were favorable to risk betting.  Yes.
Did the success of my play depend on those conditions continuing?  Yes.
Did those conditons continue?  Yes.
Did I know for certain that those conditions would continue?  No.

@Mike,
Assuming that you're a serious roulette player, surely you know when the table conditions are favorable to play your particular method of play.

@Maui,
My favorite Albert Einstein quote is "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
What happens in each unique roulette session that you play is reality.  You should know by now that it's an extremely rare session that matches the long term mathematical probabilities and statistics.


VKM

[gizmotron]

More Gizmo psychobabble speak.

Gizmo, just admit it, you can't prove any of your wild claims - you can't give a demo, you can't explain it in English you can only use psychobabble speak to explain what does not exist.

You make insane claims, refuse to back up any of your claims, and then go postal when folks challenge you.

I will donate $100 to any charity you want if you can offer ANY verifiable proof - something that we can reproduce and get the same results you claim to be able to "see".  That's how confident I am that you can't back up your insane claims with anything but Gizmo speak.

I await your grand unavailing.....

The sad truth is you crave attention, to the point of insanity.

Not bad for an idiot. Now you are trying to answer me when I'm clearly answering intelligent questions from others on this forum. But you don't understand anything about forum etiquette. Mike is on the verge of understanding it. You are not. What are you going to do to him? Are you going to whip him with your wet noodle? Are you going to call him names and have another temper tantrum? You are ridiculous. You make no sense whatsoever.

[gizmotron]

Any charity Gizmo want's - UFO charities, the alliance of random number readers, even the Gizmo foundation.

I truly believe Gizmo sees things in random numbers - that's the problem.

Here's a test I would be glad to run for you random number clairvoyants:

I will show you 4 sets of random numbers:

1) One set will be copied from a live spinning wheel from weeks ago that I have

2) One set will be from a RNG

3) Another set will be numbers I pulled out of my head

4) The last set will be from a RNG from 0 - 37 (double Green 00) with any Green 00 deleted

If you read random numbers for a living you should be able to find the set from the live spinning roulette wheel.

If you are a gifted clairvoyant then you should easily identify the other sets of numbers.

We all know Gizmo can't tell the difference, nor can anyone else on this planet....

P.S.

I will do just that - I will gather the data today and post a poll - you pick out the real set of numbers.  Look for it sometime today.

Like I said yesterday, it's a terrible thing to see on an open forum. I do what this neophyte requests and he always throws it back in my face. He can't relate to anything. He's really a moron. It's easy to call someone that but MauiSunset really is one. I guess he's the Special Olympics version of a satisfied gambler.

It's too bad too. He seems like a nice enough fellow. His only problem is that he gets into these rants and waves his arms in a rage. It's clear to anyone that reads this thread that he can't make sense of anything here. He can't communicate sense, even when he tries his very best. All he has is this childish " I know your are but what am I" game he keeps trying. Now he wants his mommy and his daddy. It's all very sad.

[gizmotron]

VKM, great answer. Nice job too.

[MauiSunset]

Was I able to recognize what was happening at the table?  Yes.
Did I think that those conditions were favorable to risk betting.  Yes.
Did the success of my play depend on those conditions continuing?  Yes.
Did those conditons continue?  Yes.
Did I know for certain that those conditions would continue?  No.

@Mike,
Assuming that you're a serious roulette player, surely you know when the table conditions are favorable to play your particular method of play.

@Maui,
My favorite Albert Einstein quote is "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
What happens in each unique roulette session that you play is reality.  You should know by now that it's an extremely rare session that matches the long term mathematical probabilities and statistics.


VKM

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to use Albert's most famous quote:

You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it.  ~Albert Einstein

Thank you, that made my day....

When I sit at the Roulette table I play a totally random game - just Red and Black.  I can use your exact quote to represent me:

Was I able to recognize what was happening at the table?  Yes.
Did I think that those conditions were favorable to risk betting.  Yes.
Did the success of my play depend on those conditions continuing?  Yes.
Did those conditions continue?  Yes.
Did I know for certain that those conditions would continue?  No.

So your answers mean nothing - they work for totally random play too.

The correct answers would have to deal with much more specific replies.

Sounds like you do what I do - play totally random....

[MauiSunset]

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