It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[zippyplayer]

An intriguing sentence

anybody care to enlighten me

[MauiSunset]

An intriguing sentence

anybody care to enlighten me

Sure, random numbers.

By definition the random numbers are random and have no meaning to future random numbers.

If there are 37 numbers on the European Roulette wheel then EVERY number stands the same chance of coming out in the next spin.  The odds are 1 in 37 for ANY number coming out.  The game of Roulette says that Green 0 or 00 means the casino wins, since it places a bet on every spin - the cost of running Roulette.  Additionally the payouts are always short of the true odds since that's another way the casino makes money.  A single number has a 35 to 1 payback when the odds are 1 in 37 on a European wheel.

That's all statistics tells us, the odds.

If you read more into this then you've got to use voodoo/junk math and science; which the vast majority of gamblers seem to do.  So listening to the crowd will simply have you lose money in the long run.

Remember, Roulette is all about making the casino money and never forget that........

[gizmotron]

If you use a device to keep track of what is going on then you can find the beginnings of very long lasting trends. Without a method to see what is happening all you have is blind guessing. Long term statistical odds only serve one valuable point of reference. They work great as a baseline value. So when a trend of reds goes on for 20 spins you have a reference that what the wheel is throwing is far outside that baseline value. So in effect, odds are useful to any smart trend player.

It is clear as a bell that I just showed you something that statistics tells you. There is far more information there than just the odds of a single spin.

Beware of name calling neophytes. "If you read more into this then you've got to use voodoo/junk math and science; which the vast majority of gamblers seem to do.  So listening to the crowd will simply have you lose money in the long run."

[MauiSunset]

If you use a device to keep track of what is going on then you can find the beginnings of very long lasting trends. Without a method to see what is happening all you have is blind guessing. Long term statistical odds only serve one valuable point of reference. They work great as a baseline value. So when a trend of reds goes on for 20 spins you have a reference that what the wheel is throwing is far outside that baseline value. So in effect, odds are useful to any smart trend player.

It is clear as a bell that I just showed you something that statistics tells you. There is far more information there than just the odds of a single spin.

Beware of name calling neophytes. "If you read more into this then you've got to use voodoo/junk math and science; which the vast majority of gamblers seem to do.  So listening to the crowd will simply have you lose money in the long run."

That is an example of voodoo science - someone, don't know just who, is keeping track of that Roulette wheel and the fact that red showed up in the last 20 spins means they owe you something.

I don't know who these creatures are that keep track of 20 reds - maybe inter dimensional beings born into a lifetime of keeping score of Roulette wheels? 

As you see voodoo math/science requires you to leave the rational universe and journey into a land of fairy tails.

That Roulette wheel has only one allegiance - to the casino.....

[Zindrod]

That is an example of voodoo science - someone, don't know just who, is keeping track of that Roulette wheel and the fact that red showed up in the last 20 spins means they owe you something.

I don't know who these creatures are that keep track of 20 reds - maybe inter dimensional beings born into a lifetime of keeping score of Roulette wheels? 

As you see voodoo math/science requires you to leave the rational universe and journey into a land of fairy tails.

That Roulette wheel has only one allegiance - to the casino.....

Yes. One will not know if or when Red will trend for 20 times or not. One will not know when colors will chop or run or go in two's for a while. Yes you might think you can follow the game but off course that is nonsences. It is a fully random negative expectancy game. My view is that you have no chance in beating roulette except if you utilize the physical aspect of the game. That off course would be VB, DS and Bias. Not looking for an argument or attack. That is just my view.(Which I know is correct)

I have no problem though with individuals believing they can see the future. As long as they don't pull in newbies into their believes. Which off course would just be a huge loss of time and money for such newbies.

Warm regards
Z

[VKM]

"If there are 37 numbers on the European Roulette wheel then EVERY number stands the same chance of coming out in the next spin. "

You're just off a little.   Actually, 1 number has a 100% chance of coming out on that spin and the other 36 have a 0% chance.   Surely you don't think, that because you don't know which one will hit, that your lack of knowledge of that somehow gives all the numbers the same chance.    You might want to consider changing your thinking about that.

VKM  

[Zindrod]

"If there are 37 numbers on the European Roulette wheel then EVERY number stands the same chance of coming out in the next spin. "

You're just off a little.   Actually, 1 number has a 100% chance of coming out on that spin and the other 36 have a 0% chance.   Surely you don't think, that because you don't know which one will hit, that your lack of knowledge of that somehow gives all the numbers the same chance.    You might want to consider changing your thinking about that.

VKM  

Here we go again...

[I have cookies]

The wheel has 37 degree of freedom for most players and for some it has less - that is not so difficult to understand.
For MauiSunset it will allways be 37 degree of freedom and if i stand next to him at the same wheel i would face less 

[MauiSunset]

"If there are 37 numbers on the European Roulette wheel then EVERY number stands the same chance of coming out in the next spin. "

You're just off a little.   Actually, 1 number has a 100% chance of coming out on that spin and the other 36 have a 0% chance.   Surely you don't think, that because you don't know which one will hit, that your lack of knowledge of that somehow gives all the numbers the same chance.    You might want to consider changing your thinking about that.

VKM  

Gobbledygook won't help you at the Roulette table - the future is totally unknown to any of us.

At least to those of us on the 4th dimensional plane we call our universe - the future has not occurred yet.  nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension

There is NO record, that can be verified, of anyone actually seeing into the future.  That's 6,000 years of recorded history.

So folks, those who claim they have more than a 1 in 37 chance of guessing the next Roulette number just don't operate on the same laws of science and math that the rest of us do.  They use Voodoo science and math to make their world go around.

Roulette is 300 years old and there has never been a verifiable record of someone beating Roulette - none.

Just your typical rumors, like UFO rumors, of folks breaking a casino with Roulette.  No casino has ever thrown out Roulette because Roulette was beatable.  You can bet your last dollar the casinos keep track of what goes on in each Roulette pit 24/7 and Roulette still keeps making the casino money....

[ll l ll l lll ll]

You must beat randomness not roulette.

The built in solution is a trend.

The inventers of roulette were not all that clever they just came up with a way for poeple to bet on a RANDOM event.

SO ITS RANDOMNESS WERE UP AGAINST NOT ROULETTE.

TRENDS OCCUR BECAUSE THE WHEEL HAS NO MEMORY.

SINCE IT HAS NO MEMORY ITS LIKELY TO REPEAT ITSELF AND THATS WHERE TRENDS ARE BORN.

[Kelly]

There are so much (/(&¤&/ in this thread that it is almost unbelieveable. But actually VKM is partly right, because around 9 seconds before the ball drops, the probabilitys for the different numbers has changed at this point. Some has smaller and some has higher probabilitys.  On absoloutely perfect wheels, the point is closer to 6 seconds before the ball drops.

But i dont think that was what VKM meant.

[gizmotron]

Typical MauiSunset comment. Name calling makes him think he's mature. It's real easy to do.  He just calls everything voodoo science. Did you notice that he thinks following trends is about predicting the future. Just read the crud on this page. It's that same old tired out argument. That unimaginative thinking is stuck glued to probability and statistics. Did you know that nobody on planet earth is allowed to take advantage of a coincidence. That's because they will get called voodoo science by one of the most immature neophytes to ever grace this forum.

Voodoo Neophyte, math Nazi, commander of his own personal mountain of shit. Anyone can call others names.

Imagine that, according to the Neophyte Voodoo Nazi, you are not allowed to win. You can't have a winning streak. And if you do you are just another voodoo scientist.

We should get Obama to drop cruise missiles on his command post compound.  MauiSunset is the self riotous dictator of the math Nazis. He's a math terrorist. Like in the movie Good Will Hunting, "you mathematical dick."

[VKM]

Actually Kelly, that is a perfect example of the reality, that on a given spin the 37 numbers do not have an equal chance of coming out.   To think that they do is an illusion.

VKM

[MauiSunset]

If you don't believe random means random then how about a demo of any of these concepts?

I'm not asking for a Roulette system demo, just a small test, that we can each run and duplicate your concept.

For instance:

If you believe that 20 Reds in a row means that Black has more than a 50/50 chance (forget Green 0) why not set up a demo, in real time, for us to verify this?

Or, if you see patterns in Random numbers that give you some kind of edge, just demo one of those patterns.

Again, I'm not asking you do demo your trading system but actually prove that you have something unique.

Just go to nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com/live-roulette.html# and click the "Live Auto Roulette Wheel"'s "Free Play"

Once the wheel is up and you can bet you will see a tab, in the lower left corner, that says "Stats" - just click that.

Now click "Last 185" and you will see the last 185 spins - do a screen print to capture the numbers and attach that to a post here.

Simple as pie - show us just one concept that violates the laws of statistics and back up your claims.

We can then repeat your experiment and follow it in real time.

You all know what statistics says about the next number - 1 in 37 chance for ANY number on the wheel.  You would have to show proof that statistics is wrong.

My guess is that no one will do this - you will see that statistics is correct.....

[VKM]

SmartLive Casino is a fun place to play their Live European Wheel (televised in Great Britain).   

About three weeks ago I went to the site to play (for free).   When I looked at the 185 past spins I immediately noticed a long trend.  Because of the way they show the past spins, it's easy to spot what's been happening with the Reds & Blacks, not so easy for the Odds and Evens or Highs and Lows.   For the entire 185 spins there were no more than 3 blacks in a row.   Red had been slightly dominating but there were plenty of blacks.   

So based on what had been happening for the last 185 spins I decided to bet that the current trends would continue.   I chose to wait for a Black to appear and then play a 3 stage Martingale on Red.   For the next 37 spins the trends of "not more than 3 Blacks in a row" & "Red Dominating" continued.   I won every betting series.   I stopped after a few wins and left the site, so I really don't know how much longer those particular conditions lasted.

It's the truth, but I have no verifiable record of it.


VKM



       

[VKM]

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