It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[gizmotron]

Don't feed the troll.

[VKM]

@ Maui,

Based on your reply #59 to my post #55,

I have to conclude that the difference between you and me is, that I believe what I'm saying, and not only do you not believe what I'm saying... You don't even believe what YOU are saying.

In post #55, I gave you specific information of an actual session.  There is nothing hidden there.  By your replies,
I understand that you just don't see it.  Sorry man, at this point in time, I don't have a cure for your blindness.

Best of luck at the casinos.


VKM

 

[MauiSunset]

@ Maui,

Based on your reply #59 to my post #55,

I have to conclude that the difference between you and me is, that I believe what I'm saying, and not only do you not believe what I'm saying... You don't even believe what YOU are saying.

In post #55, I gave you specific information of an actual session.  There is nothing hidden there.  By your replies,
I understand that you just don't see it.  Sorry man, at this point in time, I don't have a cure for your blindness.

Best of luck at the casinos.


VKM

Try this experiment:

Look at any output from either a RNG or a wheel and look for 3 red/black and then see how many "trends" continue on to 4 in a row.  Then repeat for 5, etc.

You will find that to go from 3 in a row to 4 in a row is 50/50 (not counting 0's).

If you can find ANY list of numbers that are not 50/50 I'd like to see them.

There is no such thing as a "trend" in random numbers.  Sure you might see them but you can't use them to your advantage - the next color spun will be 50/50 red/black (not counting Green 0).

If you see a list of spins, other than 50/50, I'd sure like to see them.

Additionally, I've never seen ANY study that shows anything but a 50/50 outcome....  

[Mike]

@Mike,
Assuming that you're a serious roulette player, surely you know when the table conditions are favorable to play your particular method of play.

Yes, and I know WHY conditions are favorable. Do you know why conditions are favorable to YOUR method of play?

[VKM]

"If you can find ANY list of numbers that are not 50/50 I'd like to see them."

Well Maui,

In the session I have been talking about in 222 spins (past 185 and the 37 I played) 3 Blacks didn't go to 4 Blacks once... I'm pretty sure that's not 50/50.


VKM

[MauiSunset]

"If you can find ANY list of numbers that are not 50/50 I'd like to see them."

Well Maui,

In the session I have been talking about in 222 spins (past 185 and the 37 I played) 3 Blacks didn't go to 4 Blacks once... I'm pretty sure that's not 50/50.


VKM

That's not the test.

Find 3 black/red in a row and keep track how many of them go to 4 in a row - now you have to find hundreds of these, which I have done, but 3 in a row will go to 4 in a row 50% of the time, the other 50% of the time the "trend" ends at 3.

Repeat this for numbers 4 - 20+ and you will see that there is NOTHING magical about "trends" - you can start to bet on them if you want but betting the opposite is just as profitable....

[VKM]

@ Mike,

I was pretty sure that you did know when the conditions were favorable for your method... that's why I said that.

The table conditons were favorable for the method that I used in my example... that's why I used it.  

I only use that particular method some of the time.

VKM

[VKM]

No Maui, the test is the roulette session that you actually play.

The test isn't to prove that the long term mathematical statistics are close to accuate.


VKM

[MauiSunset]

No Maui, the test is the roulette session that you actually play.

The test isn't to prove that the long term mathematical statistics are close to accuate.


VKM

In a night of playing Roulette, say 300 spins, statistics is going to be predominant.

Sure if you play once, then you can see 20 Reds in a row and then decide:

1) Bet Red since we are on a Trend

2) Bet Black since the Trend is way over due for a correction

So what do you do?

Even on just 1 spin, statistics is your guiding light, not your enemy.

When I play Black Jack, ALL the published BJ statistical tables (those little plastic cards) have one HUGE problem - they only word for card #3 dealt to you.

If you need card #4 then those tables mean nothing and give you the wrong statistics, 

I can't imagine playing a casino game ignorant of the odds and statistics involved....

[VKM]

I have to disagree with you, Maui.  In my years of experience, when it comes to Roulette sessions, statistics are not at all reliable.  If probabilities could be counted on in a Roulette session, then I'd have a much bigger bankroll. 

If someone uses statistics as their guiding light for their bet placement with the expectation of a statistical ballance, then I'm pretty sure  that's Gambler's Fallacy. 

VKM

[VKM]

@ Mike,

Sorry, I reread your post and realized that the emphasis was on that you know "Why" the conditions are favorable when you play.


VKM

[Mike]

@ Mike,

Sorry, I reread your post and realized that the emphasis was on that you know "Why" the conditions are favorable when you play.

VKM

VKM, I also asked you if you knew WHY conditions are favorable when you play your method, are you able to give me an answer?

[MauiSunset]

I have to disagree with you, Maui.  In my years of experience, when it comes to Roulette sessions, statistics are not at all reliable.  If probabilities could be counted on in a Roulette session, then I'd have a much bigger bankroll. 

If someone uses statistics as their guiding light for their bet placement with the expectation of a statistical ballance, then I'm pretty sure  that's Gambler's Fallacy. 

VKM

Everyone has their own style of gambling - if you are happy with yours, then I am in no position to argue.

The goal in life is happiness....

[VKM]

@ Mike,

"VKM, I also asked you if you knew WHY conditions are favorable when you play your method, are you able to give me an answer?"

In the example we are talking about, I chose to play the method that I played because of the results the table (wheel) in that particular session had been consistantly producing.  Because of those results, I thought that the Conditions looked Favorable.  I was hoping for at least one win and I was fortunate that I started my betting while the conditions continued.  Winning the bets that I won confirmed that the Conditions were indeed Favorable.  As to WHY that unique stream of numbers resulted in those conditions at that specific time... I do not know. 

Thank goodness I didn't have to understand everything about it in order to take advantage of the situation.

VKM

       

[Zindrod]

@ Mike,

"VKM, I also asked you if you knew WHY conditions are favorable when you play your method, are you able to give me an answer?"

In the example we are talking about, I chose to play the method that I played because of the results the table (wheel) in that particular session had been consistantly producing.  Because of those results, I thought that the Conditions looked Favorable.  I was hoping for at least one win and I was fortunate that I started my betting while the conditions continued.  Winning the bets that I won confirmed that the Conditions were indeed Favorable.  As to WHY that unique stream of numbers resulted in those conditions at that specific time... I do not know. 

Thank goodness I didn't have to understand everything about it in order to take advantage of the situation.

VKM

       

Sorry VKM,

you thought you saw 'good conditions'

I'm sure Mike as myself are referring to different kind of conditions as in the physical aspect of the game. Those conditions are real conditions that can be measured. Streams of numbers whether chopping or running might seem to create a 'good condition' for your play but unfortunately it is just luck.

[Zindrod]

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