It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[gizmotron]

What does that mean? There is no clue as to how long a trend will be, if there were everybody would be playing trends.

You know what ticks me off more than anything? That was one of the most intelligent questions ever asked about trends. I mean that you could look back in the archives of two forums for many years back and not find a better one. Don't think for a second that this is some kind of sarcasm. I'm completely serious. Why doesn't anyone ask questions like this?

The answer is there are no clues that will determine how long a trend will last. That's a known fact. At least it has been for me. I just spent telling people for four years that it's not about prediction. I've been trying to say that there are no clues as to how long a trend will last for years.

The secret to playing trends must be something else. What makes you think you must have clues or prediction in order to beat this game? It must be something else. Well, it is at least for me.

[VKM]

@ ll l ll l lll ll ,

"This can easily be accomplished by playing inside the chop, betting against not the biggest, but the smallest trends and streaks."

Would you mind giving an example?


VKM

[cheese]

The secret to playing trends must be something else.

Who says trends are anything worth looking at. Everybody in roulette and bac plays trends. What does that tell you.

[gizmotron]

Who says trends are anything worth looking at. Everybody in roulette and bac plays trends. What does that tell you.

It tells me that they play right into losing streaks and don't know why it doesn't work. That's because most people are comfortable with losing and are expecting it anyway.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

@ ll l ll l lll ll ,

"This can easily be accomplished by playing inside the chop, betting against not the biggest, but the smallest trends and streaks."

Would you mind giving an example?


VKM

When there is active chop, continue to play chop, as soon as it starts to streak or trend get off it and look for something else where chop is active.

[Far-Q]

It must be something else. Well, it is at least for me.

So what is it then Giz? Gut instinct?

[I have cookies]

What does that mean? There is no clue as to how long a trend will be, if there were everybody would be playing trends.

This is how I define a trend.

A trend can be any kind of formation or event - witch one attempt to capture - it can end or continue in any manner as all other selections that exist.

I notice with experiments that if some one have the option to jump on two different waves of events - then the success to ride at least one of them will succeed in most cases or with a better hit ratio then just play one common formation.

Note I don't play roulette systems this is just my observations.

[cheese]

When there is active chop, continue to play chop, as soon as it starts to streak or trend get off it and look for something else where chop is active.

But a chop is just another trend. There is no difference between BBBBBBBBB and RBRBRBRB. What you're saying is, when you see a trend, follow it. And when it stops, find another trend. Isn't that what everybody in bac and roulette has been doing for 100 years? The problem with this is, and always will be, how do you know when something is trending? You don't, till its almost over.

[cheese]

It tells me that they play right into losing streaks and don't know why it doesn't work.

It tells me nobody knows when a streak will end or if its a streak at all.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

But a chop is just another trend. There is no difference between BBBBBBBBB and RBRBRBRB. What you're saying is, when you see a trend, follow it. And when it stops, find another trend. Isn't that what everybody in bac and roulette has been doing for 100 years? The problem with this is, and always will be, how do you know when something is trending? You don't, till its almost over.

Wrong.  I consider both BBBBBB and BRBRBR trends.  BBBBB is a streak and BRBRBR is also a streak of singles.  Both are very easy to see and follow.  They are both not chop.  BBrrBBrrBBrr is a streak of doubles.  BBBrBBBrBBBr is a domination of B or domination of B triples or r singles, all very easy to see and follow trends.  

Chop is a little bit of everything with no clear trends or patterns, its virtually unreadable.  Such as BrBBrBrBrrrBrBBB.  By playing the Chop you are essentially betting against anything that you would see as readable or a forming trend.  When you walk around a casino, the majority of the time you see nothing but chop on the roulette marquee, so doesn't it make sense to continue to play chop?

[schoenpoetser]

I analyse the random rows in excel programs.The graphs tell me a lot.A line diagram with a wave pattern shows on average the amplitude and the wave length.Blaise pascal has learned me the average events.All together I build up a knowledge about the features of the trends in random rows.No special mathematics knowledge is necessary and everybody can learn it.The skill depends on how much you practice.
The different trends in  EC rows are  more easy recognizable then from other chances.You can better break a trend than predict a trend.This is apart of my strategy

[gizmotron]

It tells me that they play right into losing streaks and don't know why it doesn't work.

It tells me nobody knows when a streak will end or if its a streak at all.

Nobody 'does' know when a streak will end. More importantly they don't have an educated guess on when one starts. It's because they don't practice getting good at guessing. They try this until they hit the eventual sequence that almost always fails on their first bet into it. Then they tell themselves and everyone else that it doesn't work.

All that does is perpetuate more stupidity. Of course there is a sequence that has all first bets that go up against perfectly formed trends ending as soon as you try them. What almost all people do is they give up. They wanted an ATM machine that works all the time. So what I find funny is that they gave up. If it acts like an ATM machine only part of the time you think that would be good enough. It's the mind set of the system player. They are still believing that one day they will find a Holy Grail that acts like an ATM machine. It's a huge mistake. Card counting only works when the advantage condition is present in the deck count. That was good enough for them. Bias wheel tracking was a real advantage when it was detected. This is no different. This method is protected by stupidity. That stupidity is a common trap for most people to fall into. So based on what you just wrote you fall into that same category. If you are Spike that won't sit well with you. He is a master of playing chop and a disaster at playing chaos. For an explanation of that try to get wised up by him. Sure, that will work...

[cheese]

 BBBrBBBrBBBr is a domination of B or domination of B triples or r singles, all very easy to see and follow trends.  

If it keeps going like that. But just like BBBBBBBB, you have no idea its a trend till its almost over. This is a very common way to play and has been discussed to death on the gambling forums.

[cheese]

So based on what you just wrote you fall into that same category. If you are Spike that won't sit well with you. He is a master of playing chop and a disaster at playing chaos.

You seem to be an expert on all things Spike. Which is odd, considering he didn't tell you anything of any significance.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

If it keeps going like that. But just like BBBBBBBB, you have no idea its a trend till its almost over. This is a very common way to play and has been discussed to death on the gambling forums.

I don't think you are following.  I'm not talking about following trends, just the opposite.  I'm talking about as soon as you recognize something as beginning to resemble any type of trend to start betting against it for one bet.  The anti-trend.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

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