It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time.

[gizmotron]

You seem to be an expert on all things Spike. Which is odd, considering he didn't tell you anything of any significance.  

And just how do you know what he shared with me? Are you the little neighbor girl from next door that used to spin his wheel for him, no double entendre intended?

[VKM]

@ ll l ll l lll ll,

"I don't think you are following.  I'm not talking about following trends, just the opposite.  I'm talking about as soon as you recognize something as beginning to resemble any type of trend to start betting against it for one bet.  The anti-trend." Quote by ll l ll l lll ll.

I was going to suggest the term "anti-trend" in place of "chop", but you're one step ahead of me.  "Chop" in roulette usually refers to BrBrBrBr, OeOeOeOe or hLhLhL.  So "Chop" can be a trend in itself, but "anti-trend"
represents any results that the individual player doesn't recognize as a trend.  Is that how you see it?

VKM

[cheese]

And just how do you know what he shared with me?

It sure wasn't anything about trending. Go and look at Spikes 16,000 posts on GG and see how many of them are about trends. Without a crystal ball, trending wouldn't be my choice of play.

[gizmotron]

It sure wasn't anything about trending. Go and look at Spikes 16,000 posts on GG and see how many of them are about trends. Without a crystal ball, trending wouldn't be my choice of play.

All he ever said about trends was exactly what you say now about trends. You can go read all 16,000 of his posts. BTW, I already did. I don't have that bad of a memory. There is no way on planet earth for you to undo four years of posting history. You say the same thing he has been saying for years when it comes to trends. But you have not said jack shit about educated guessing. That's a Spike-ism. And that has been discussed ad nauseam too.

You don't get it Cheese. You don't know how to use trends to your advantage. That can't possibly make you qualified to condemn it. I'm trying to tell you that you are just like most people. You can't get past being stuck. I'll bet you can describe what happened when you gave up on it and why. Everyone seems to have that moment emblazoned on their memories.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

@ ll l ll l lll ll,

"I don't think you are following.  I'm not talking about following trends, just the opposite.  I'm talking about as soon as you recognize something as beginning to resemble any type of trend to start betting against it for one bet.  The anti-trend." Quote by ll l ll l lll ll.

I was going to suggest the term "anti-trend" in place of "chop", but you're one step ahead of me.  "Chop" in roulette usually refers to BrBrBrBr, OeOeOeOe or hLhLhL.  So "Chop" can be a trend in itself, but "anti-trend"
represents any results that the individual player doesn't recognize as a trend.  Is that how you see it?

VKM

Yes, play the anti-trend.

[cheese]

You don't know how to use trends to your advantage. That can't possibly make you qualified to condemn it.

Spike and I are very close, we sometimes use each others underwear.  I've never learned how to identify a trend or streak till its almost over.  I'm waiting for somebody to show me how. So far it hasn't happened. I'm not 'stuck', I've just moved beyond trends.

[cheese]

You can go read all 16,000 of his posts. BTW, I already did. .

I read them all shortly after they were written. I envy you, though, I don't know if I could read them all again.

[gizmotron]

I've never learned how to identify a trend or streak till its almost over.  I'm waiting for somebody to show me how. So far it hasn't happened. I'm not 'stuck', I've just moved beyond trends.

The point is to discover what is currently happening. You don't need to follow trends to do that. You can make the positive conditions come to you. Just use a template that lets favorable conditions come to you. Use BrBrBrBrBrBr as a template. Just wait until that starts a win streak. If you have a few other templates, like the reverse of that, then you will see more favorable conditions come to you. You will also have to figure out when to bet. Some times after 2, 3, or 4 times where it fits the template you are considering you will need to place a bet. You go for one win only. You always lose when you get greedy. Now do you think you can forget about following trends? It takes playing practice to develop an intuition as to when to bet effectively, when to use 2, 3, or 4 spins where a template fits.

Please don't tell me that you are waiting for someone to come along and show you that. It's a complete method. There is nothing more to show you with it. Only experience can give you experience. You must show yourself.

BTW, this is not trend following. It's sequence matching.

[cheese]

Use BrBrBrBrBrBr as a template. Just wait until that starts a win streak.

Its a haphazard way of playing. I don't have all night for the wheel to sync up with my templates, if indeed it ever does. I need a bet for 98% of the situations I see.

[schoenpoetser]

With excelprograms it is easy to make the trends visible.For example .After 37 spins  you see one zero ,12 reds and
24 blacks.The last 7 numbers are black.Now you have two trends.A trend in black and a trend in 7 black in a row.The law of balance say red will fall more in the following spins.A  13 in a row will fall once in 2^13=8192 spins on average.Start betting 1-2-4-8-16-32 on red and I predict with a very small risk a hit. Is the hit after bet 32 your profit is 1,59%.
Another example: On the display you see R-B-R-B-R-B-R-B-R-B. This row falls on average once in 512 spins.This is a trend and I expect the trend will be broken in the next 10 spins.This principle I use in my SSB program.
In the sequences of the ECs the trends are faster visible.This is the reason ECs are more suitable for systems and strategies.The smaller house edge for the ECs is also an important advantage

[cheese]

The law of balance say red will fall more in the following spins.

Unfortunately, no such law exists in the short term. In the extreme long term, the two sides will try feverishly to balance themselves, while actually drawing further apart the whole time.

[ll l ll l lll ll]

Unfortunately, no such law exists in the short term. In the extreme long term, the two sides will try feverishly to balance themselves, while actually drawing further apart the whole time.

It's quite obvious you are playing the chop, playing for a change &/or playing the anti-trend.  The majority of the time you see chaos on the roulette marquee, so it makes sense to live there and exploit it.

[VKM]

The point is to discover what is currently happening. You don't need to follow trends to do that. You can make the positive conditions come to you. Just use a template that lets favorable conditions come to you. Use BrBrBrBrBrBr as a template. Just wait until that starts a win streak. If you have a few other templates, like the reverse of that, then you will see more favorable conditions come to you. You will also have to figure out when to bet. Some times after 2, 3, or 4 times where it fits the template you are considering you will need to place a bet. You go for one win only. You always lose when you get greedy. Now do you think you can forget about following trends? It takes playing practice to develop an intuition as to when to bet effectively, when to use 2, 3, or 4 spins where a template fits.

Please don't tell me that you are waiting for someone to come along and show you that. It's a complete method. There is nothing more to show you with it. Only experience can give you experience. You must show yourself.

BTW, this is not trend following. It's sequence matching.

In my opinion, Gizmo, your post was Perfectly Stated.


VKM

[schoenpoetser]

I am the only one on the forum who offer his free study programs I am specialised in study small samples up to 250 spins.Diagrams tell a lot more than all the words and not studied jargon.Is seems nobody has read about the studies of BLaise Pascal.There are a very few people who can compute the Expected Value of the complicated systems.My conclusion is the knowledge of the roulette play is very poor.
I do not believe in AP,DS,VB  and tilted or biased wheels.I respect all rouletteplayers what methods they use.

[gizmotron]

Its a haphazard way of playing. I don't have all night for the wheel to sync up with my templates, if indeed it ever does. I need a bet for 98% of the situations I see.

I tried to tell you that you fit most system player's mentality. You want Roulette to act like your very own personal ATM machine. No matter what system you use you will need to be able to deal with losing streaks. Most people lack the self control to do that. You will be no different. There is no way for you to avoid this. Without much work and practice you will not find a workable solution. Beating Roulette is an acquired skill. Even Spike admits that. He openly admits that there are time of chaos when he can't find consistent winners. You should try on those underwear, skid marks and all.

[gizmotron]

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